LCA TEJAS MK-I & MK-IA: News and Discussion (8 Viewers)

[obiwankenobi]

Just a question... can the ASRAAM missile on the right can be shifted on lower side increasing space for middle pylon to carry 2 missile

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Something like this without the left side bomb.

ABSOLUTELY, it is plain madness to space them apart and at the same level as the middle pylon. (although remember that the pylons are spread out along z axis). With a missile like ASRAAM - so clean and with hardly any fins - this is an absolute travesty

You can do many things, assume pylon is at position p:
1. Diagonal like you showed - although the stresses are too high for AAMs.
2. The outboard p-1h-1x, the inboard at p-2h (x axis running along wingspan, h being height) - Gripen E does something similar with Meteor
3. Use side by side but pack them close, much more close - they are just being stupidly cautious with the spacing, or cant be asked designing new rail launcher and wanted to reuse existing.

Its basically JUGAAD engineering. Disappointed doesn't cut it.

 

[Bleh]

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Edited pic to show an A2A maxxxing loadout on tejas

btw are these fuel tanks necessary for it?

More likely is a centreline drop-tank with 4 BVRs

 

[Bleh]

When I asked HVT sir about CFTs and dorsal hump like mig-29 for Tejas few years ago he said Tejas is good in its current state.
Maybe the idea is CFTs and Dorsal hump will have aerodynamic penalty that aren't worth it.
IG idea is Tejas won't be doing interception with drop tanks on.

IMO they could go for conformal weapon bays like the F-15 SE which could help with RCS and also enable them to have more A2A weapons at the same time.

Actually back when we were rendering we expected Mark1A to looks like this, with more alignment to area rule.

This would also increase internal volume.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

DRDO STAR MISSILE :- well drdo hv their own project of supersonic target missile with liquid fuelled ramjet engine. may be thats why they r not moving in brahmos ng direction. nd thinking about after this missile development, they will go for its mini nd other cruise missiles version.
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View: https://youtu.be/ijkcWDmLvmM?si=0YnBsmvueVTCs1tT

Star is testing target and unrelated to BrahMos NG episode.
BrahMos NG alternatives lie in Project ITCM and Project Vishnu.

 

[Pundit Pikachu]

ABSOLUTELY, it is plain madness to space them apart and at the same level as the middle pylon. (although remember that the pylons are spread out along z axis). With a missile like ASRAAM - so clean and with hardly any fins - this is an absolute travesty

You can do many things, assume pylon is at position p:
1. Diagonal like you showed - although the stresses are too high for AAMs.
2. The outboard p-1h-1x, the inboard at p-2h (x axis running along wingspan, h being height) - Gripen E does something similar with Meteor
3. Use side by side but pack them close, much more close - they are just being stupidly cautious with the spacing, or cant be asked designing new rail launcher and wanted to reuse existing.

Its basically JUGAAD engineering. Disappointed doesn't cut it.

@Tsunami Man if the Ruskies can do it with these bulky abominations called R-60M Why can't we do it with ASRAAMs which are lighter and cause less drag

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

Star is testing target and unrelated to BrahMos NG episode.
BrahMos NG alternatives lie in Project ITCM and Project Vishnu.

yes...but STAR nd brahmos hv similar liquid fuelled ramjet engine...so we can develop a super cruise missile like brahmos from STAR target testing platform in future. we r not hearing anything about brahmos NG development. so i was saying may be they want our own mini brahmos later from STAR missiles.
i dont think brahmos NG alternative lie in project ITCM nd vishnu. coz brahmos NG is supercruise missile is based on ramjet engine. meanwhile subsonic missile ITCM is based on turbofan engine nd hypersonic vishnu missile will be based on screamjet engine.

 

[randombully]

yes...but STAR nd brahmos hv similar liquid fuelled ramjet engine...so we can develop a super cruise missile like brahmos from STAR target testing platform in future. we r not hearing anything about brahmos NG development. so i was saying may be they want our own mini brahmos later from STAR missiles.
i dont think brahmos NG alternative lie in project ITCM nd vishnu. coz brahmos NG is supercruise missile is based on ramjet engine. meanwhile subsonic missile ITCM is based on turbofan engine nd hypersonic vishnu missile will be based on screamjet engine.

But no guarantee, a supersonic cruise missile varient of STAR will be cheaper than brahmos ng.
Plus having multiple origins of missiles to fulfill same role adds to extra cost in logistics and supply.
Plus supersonic cruise missile varient of star that can give ~300km range( same range as brahmos ng) will be a upscaled varient of STAR, as the current STAR being developed is said to have max range of 175km( so a new development of a larger missiles on same tech of STAR).
Plus brahmos ng is targeting top speeds exceeding mach 3, STAR is targeting top speed of Mach ~ 2.5.

So Unless that upscaled varient of STAR can be very significant cheaper than upcoming brahmos NG, it doesn't make financial sense to work on that variant .

Similar case for anti radiation and anti awacs varient of STAR proposed, we have lots of other options for those roles too.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

But no guarantee, a supersonic cruise missile varient of STAR will be cheaper than brahmos ng.
Plus having multiple origins of missiles to fulfill same role adds to extra cost in logistics and supply.
Plus supersonic cruise missile varient of star that can give ~300km range( same range as brahmos ng) will be a upscaled varient of STAR, as the current STAR being developed is said to have max range of 175km( so a new development of a larger missiles on same tech of STAR).
Plus brahmos ng is targeting top speeds exceeding mach 3, STAR is targeting top speed of Mach ~ 2.5.

So Unless that upscaled varient of STAR can be very significant cheaper than upcoming brahmos NG, it doesn't make financial sense to work on that variant .

Similar case for anti radiation and anti awacs varient of STAR proposed, we have lots of other options for those roles too.

R u sure, we r developing brahmos ng? coz we didnt hear any development about it from long time. any news about brahmos X also, which some (alpha defense etc) suggesting come with more speed near mach 4.

 

[randombully]

R u sure, we r developing brahmos ng? coz we didnt hear any development about it from long time. any news about brahmos X also, which some (alpha defense etc) suggesting come with more speed near mach 4.

Per the latest update from defense expo, brahmos ng is supposed to be ready for its first flight in 2026.

 

[fire starter]

Madarchod HAL & CEMILAC

I am 100% sure it is Israeli lobby at work.

View: https://x.com/Defencematrix1/status/1939004372052328949?t=5Ehy33hY3u4MlnvS76J9yg&s=19

 

[shade2]

Madarchod HAL & CEMILAC

I am 100% sure it is Israeli lobby at work.

View: https://x.com/Defencematrix1/status/1939004372052328949?t=5Ehy33hY3u4MlnvS76J9yg&s=19

Wasn't there something similar months ago, where there was some mechanical part, an actuator or something with a supplier in India, or maybe a HAL item itself, but they ordered this item from some Gora firm instead ?

 

[silentassassin265]

Madarchod HAL & CEMILAC

I am 100% sure it is Israeli lobby at work.

View: https://x.com/Defencematrix1/status/1939004372052328949?t=5Ehy33hY3u4MlnvS76J9yg&s=19

Uttam radar is not yet deployed on any platform so they are not taking any chances.
But I hope they have good amount of israeli radar and ew in stock because sanctions might take place any day now.

 

[FalconSlayers]

IAF chief was right about these loonies, they should import hundreds of more Rafales instead of wasting time on these babus.

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1939010590732886318

 

[shade2]

Uttam radar is not yet deployed on any platform so they are not taking any chances.
But I hope they have good amount of israeli radar and ew in stock because sanctions might take place any day now.

If they ((( don't want to take any chances ))) what will they deploy it on?

IN test drives the new stuff on old ships as much as possible meanwhile, then again that is a serious force with design control unlike here.

Or perhaps here it is the ((( customer ))) wanting ((( proven ))) Israeli radar, anyway HAL baboos will come up with an explainer soon I think.

 

[obiwankenobi]

True Story, take it or leave it: Chobham sent folks to HAL for LCA stuff. In a meeting for a small modification, 90 people showed up. The guy who actually needed to do the work hardly spoke at all, only one big guy who wasn't even needed in the meeting speaks everybody else too shy or too scared to speak.

Now they are blaming Chobham for the shit thats going wrong apparently its work an intern can do.

 

[truthsoldier]

Madarchod HAL & CEMILAC

I am 100% sure it is Israeli lobby at work.

View: https://x.com/Defencematrix1/status/1939004372052328949?t=5Ehy33hY3u4MlnvS76J9yg&s=19

'Secondly, DRDO’s access to only older Tejas LCA aircraft hindered progress. In contrast, foreign manufacturers were provided with two LCA Mk1A prototypes.' Does this mean HAL is doing step-motherly treatment?

 

[jaijaganath]

Madarchod HAL & CEMILAC

I am 100% sure it is Israeli lobby at work.

View: https://x.com/Defencematrix1/status/1939004372052328949?t=5Ehy33hY3u4MlnvS76J9yg&s=19

Absolute idiocracy by HAL
Testing takes time infact competent organisations spend more time in testing and validating the product than developing it
And moreover u guys dont need uttam by next month we still have time till 40 aircrafts by then certification of SVK would have been completed
It's completely illogical
Just because SVK certification is pending ditching complete package of indigenous avionics is baseless
I think its either case of Israeli corruption and lobbing in HAL or some pressure tactics
Thank god only intent has been given but it should roll everyone's eyes
Hope MoD PMO and IAF look into it and solve the matter as they had to do it in case of black-box data retrieval
Chutiya desh hai har chiz ko micro-manage karna padta hai
This is the reason I hate Israelis from core of my heart

 

[redpanda]

Madarchod HAL & CEMILAC

I am 100% sure it is Israeli lobby at work.

View: https://x.com/Defencematrix1/status/1939004372052328949?t=5Ehy33hY3u4MlnvS76J9yg&s=19

It's not CEMILAC. It's all on HAL. HAL is doing this because maybe somebody got some paycheck from Israeli lobby there. They haven't provided a suitable test platform to DRDO. Neither DRDO can test anything properly nor CEMILAC can certify anything if there isn't suitable platform to begin with. HAL is a corrupt organisation through and through.

 

[jaijaganath]

It's not CEMILAC. It's all on HAL. HAL is doing this because maybe somebody got some paycheck from Israeli lobby there. They haven't provided a suitable test platform to DRDO. Neither DRDO can test anything properly nor CEMILAC can certify anything if there isn't suitable platform to begin with. HAL is a corrupt organisation through and through.

Exactly it feels Israelis have got some top officials in their pockets
First u dont provide the platform
Second uttam has been certified and cleared for production only SVK is remaining
Third u dont need it now that day is atleast 2 and half years away

Agar bad main pata chala yeh inka price negotiation tactics tha against AMPL toh kasam se sab milke inki gand marenge

 

[jaijaganath]

View: https://x.com/DefSysCI/status/1932457409815150603