LCA TEJAS MK-I & MK-IA: News and Discussion (20 Viewers)

[randombully]

Its very confusing at this point. I don't understand then what change for HAL to mention this in February if they were going through this model..

Tejas mk1a has more optimised wing, I.e some structural changes in the wing compared to mk1
includes a redesigned pylon for reduced drag, strengthened wing edges to for more land bearing.

 

[redpanda]

still stand by my point.

Current status quo suits all stakeholders you can name.

Tejas and the other atmanirbhar projects are all un-serious projects.

The blame game is also structured in such a way that it's spider-men pointing at each other.
No one party fears any danda of consequence because they can always point at the other guy


When Kolkata class was getting delayed, which was mainly because

>Admirals discovered the MF-STAR and Barak8 combo and had to mod the previous Soviet maal based design
>While the first Kolkata was built the Admirals suddenly wanted bow mounted sonar and this needed hull changes
>Barak8 was co-developed with jooz so this too faced some delays.

Now when patrakars wrote about this it was the navy only getting the blame, because they were leading the whole project top to bottom, even if MoD babooze, CAG babooze and Politicucks like Chidambaram would ask anything it would be Admirols only getting most of the blame( DRDO guys also get some ).

Only way to solve this

The push for domestic aircraft projects either has to come from PMO/DefMin( Remove NindaTurtle and get someone interested, like how Parrikar was )

or from IAF itself being given control of HAL with their own design group like WDB, ADA guys or just professional aeronautical engineers can be hired for this.

And most importantly, big budgets, ample funding, quick project sanctions.

Remember goys, eventually Tejas will get delivered, but the national focus should now be on AMCA and with the current ((( model ))) it's just not possible.

Current model is flawed. It is a khichdi. There is serious lack of communication between every stakeholder. And the one who should interfere and establish a proper channel of communication i.e MoD is sleeping tight.

 

[jaijaganath]

Tejas-Mk-1A roll out from Nashik this month, Astra firing likely in Aug: HAL CMD | India News - Times of India

India News: Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is set to roll out the first LCA Tejas Mk1A from its Nashik plant by July-end, with Astra missile testing planned

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

I don't see anything like that being mentioned in the original article @shade2 @jaijaganath

Tbh many things are not in media
I am not promoting conspiracy theories but many problems exists
Infact many handles are reporting that wings and rudders weren't delivered yet by pvt companies for which they were given orders

Most important fuck up was hal didn't provide aircrafts to drdo for EW certification
Everyone kept blaming GE but we didn't do work properly too
Even if we had engines we wouldn't have delivered aircrafts in full potential as many software patches and weapon integrations are still remaining

 

[shade2]

Current model is flawed. It is a khichdi. There is serious lack of communication between every stakeholder. And the one who should interfere and establish a proper channel of communication i.e MoD is sleeping tight.

It's not just a communication issue
It is an issue of there not being a strong "push" for Tejas.

For Warships it's the Navy itself that pushes for it's requirements to MoD babooze for approvals and funding, does the design and gets shipbuilders to build it.

For ICBM, SSBN, Nuclear weapons project it was the Govt itself that was pushing the development for these.

imo I'd prefer a push led by the Govt itself, the "service based push" is still limited in budget and control over orgs like DRDO.

 

[shade2]

Tbh many things are not in media
I am not promoting conspiracy theories but many problems exists
Infact many handles are reporting that wings and rudders weren't delivered yet by pvt companies for which they were given orders

Most important fuck up was hal didn't provide aircrafts to drdo for EW certification
Everyone kept blaming GE but we didn't do work properly too
Even if we had engines we wouldn't have delivered aircrafts in full potential as many software patches and weapon integrations are still remaining

Atleast the IAF would have the jets flying.
Software patches and weapons integrations could happen later and could be rolled out to existing planes in service.

GE engine issue is the biggest problem by far.

 

[shade2]

One Q, now 20 years back why didn't they decide to go with a larger Gripen-like design over the mini-samosa Tejas?



Basically why didn't they go with the Gripen or Tejas mk2 MWF sized design from the start?

 

[concard]

One Q, now 20 years back why didn't they decide to go with a larger Gripen-like design over the mini-samosa Tejas?

View attachment 42303

Basically why didn't they go with the Gripen or Tejas mk2 MWF sized design from the start?

Our resources were limited. We saw Mirage 2000 and wanted to build something similar before building something bigger. It made sense because of our financial constraints. We only wanted to build point defense fighter not a air superiority fighter. Thankfully, with some modifications to the same design we can now build MK1A and MK2. Let us see MK2 first flight.

We are also talking about 1980's and 1990's where technology especially computers weren't that powerful. This meant any complex design required lot of work in terms of wind tunnel testing, CAD drawings, simulations on less powerful computers, control algorithms required to control the aircraft etc. I don't take IDRW seriously always, but every now and then they dish out some good stuff.

Just check this one out about MK2 manufacturing today

Tejas Mk2 Progresses Towards 2026 Rollout as HAL Embraces Digital Manufacturing - Indian Defence Research Wing

SOURCE: RAUNAK KUNDE / NEWS BEAT / IDRW.ORG In a significant step towards bolstering India’s indigenous fighter jet capabilities, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is making steady progress on the Tejas Mk2, the next-generation variant of the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA). Speaking to...

idrw.org

 

[shade2]

Our resources were limited. We saw Mirage 2000 and wanted to build something similar before building something bigger. It made sense because of our financial constraints. We only wanted to build point defense fighter not a air superiority fighter. Thankfully, with some modifications to the same design we can now build MK1A and MK2. Let us see MK2 first flight.

We are also talking about 1980's and 1990's where technology especially computers weren't that powerful. This meant any complex design required lot of work in terms of wind tunnel testing, CAD drawings, simulations on less powerful computers, control algorithms required to control the aircraft etc. I don't take IDRW seriously always, but every now and then they dish out some good stuff.

Just check this one out about MK2 manufacturing today

Tejas Mk2 Progresses Towards 2026 Rollout as HAL Embraces Digital Manufacturing - Indian Defence Research Wing

SOURCE: RAUNAK KUNDE / NEWS BEAT / IDRW.ORG In a significant step towards bolstering India’s indigenous fighter jet capabilities, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is making steady progress on the Tejas Mk2, the next-generation variant of the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA). Speaking to...

idrw.org

A logical choice, but I wish they would have aimed for something bigger with more payload capacity from the start.
Obviously the planners never thought it would be delayed for so long.

 

[redpanda]

One Q, now 20 years back why didn't they decide to go with a larger Gripen-like design over the mini-samosa Tejas?

View attachment 42303

Basically why didn't they go with the Gripen or Tejas mk2 MWF sized design from the start

A logical choice, but I wish they would have aimed for something bigger with more payload capacity from the start.
Obviously the planners never thought it would be delayed for so long.

Tbh the planner had pretty good success with their original engine project. And many other things then. So they were rather optimistic about Kaveri and Tejas.

 

[TopWatcher]

Very hard lobby to derail tejas program.

But if we sum up all our hope is sukoi30 mki, better make it in large numbers with latest upgrads. Atleast we can integrate anything with sukhoi.

 

[E-195]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF63wCzTJNo

 

[Nutcracker]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF63wCzTJNo

They are going to buy second hand Nordic F16s.

 

[Sanglamorre]

Very hard lobby to derail tejas program.

But if we sum up all our hope is sukoi30 mki, better make it in large numbers with latest upgrads. Atleast we can integrate anything with sukhoi.

I've been wanting to ask, we can make the engines end to end for Su30 MKI?

 

[shade2]

I've been wanting to ask, we can make the engines end to end for Su30 MKI?

No.
Don't go by HAL Koraput kanging of "make injun from raaa material stage saaar!!!"

Some elements are imported from Ruskal ofc.

Nobody will give you that deep of ToT

 

[Sanglamorre]

No.
Don't go by HAL Koraput kanging of "make injun from raaa material stage saaar!!!"

Some elements are imported from Ruskal ofc.

Nobody will give you that deep of ToT

Then uh making more MKI isnalsona fever dream lol

 

[shade2]

Then uh making more MKI isnalsona fever dream lol

They have similar planes in their own inventory using AL-31FP onlee, ofc they produce parts for those which they can export over here.

Basically HAL Koraput must be making the more easier parts, not the hard and fancy ones with top secret mettalurgy and such processes

 

[Sanglamorre]

They have similar planes in their own inventory using AL-31FP onlee, ofc they produce parts for those which they can export over here.

Basically HAL Koraput must be making the more easier parts, not the hard and fancy ones with top secret mettalurgy and such processes

I don't think importing would be possible during wartime. Without ability to end to end manufacture engines, depending on Su30 isn't going to be possible like how many are thinking possible.

 

[TopWatcher]

I've been wanting to ask, we can make the engines end to end for Su30 MKI?

But atleast we hv whole ecosystem for suk30, and we can make it in numbers

 

[shade2]

I don't think importing would be possible during wartime. Without ability to end to end manufacture engines, depending on Su30 isn't going to be possible like how many are thinking possible.

wartime for us?
Nope we are utterly unprepared for a long war, China has been preparing for that since 20 years meanwhile.
We don't have the entire supply chain for su30 inhouse, even HAL claims only 62% indeginzation.

To build domestic supply chain especially engines it takes decades of generous investment and effort, which we haven't done.


I assume you were talking in the context of Ruskals being unable to deliver parts because of their war in Ukraine.

But rest assured the AL-31FP is also used in their fleet, and they are building replacements for planes lost in the war, surely they can export the parts to us in our peacetime buildup.

 

[E-195]

They are going to buy second hand Nordic F16s.

I agree, but time changes very likely they will go for F-16s but nothing remains the same, only truth and love remain the same but the USA is sewing too much hate, things might change no one knows, things never are forever if some one is evil