LCA TEJAS MK-I & MK-IA: News and Discussion

[Bleh]

Does he read newspapers that engine supply was stopped by USA not HAL.

He's not talking about engines..

He's saying stuff like these aren't operational

 

[Patriots]

So jet is ready weapons trails are pending

Main is bvr Astra
Which is not cleared , then you have to test with all possible configuration , if there is small modification in the jet
Derby is not a bvr , ,

 

[Kattar]

Well he's not inaccurate then!..

'No Confidence': IAF Chief Scolds HAL - Livefist

"At the moment, I am just not confident of HAL." Words that should give Indian state-owned airframer Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) sleepless nights. And many times over given that the sayer of these words is the Chief of the Indian Air Force. "I can only tell you what our requirement…

www.livefistdefence.com

GE can delay engine deliveries for years at a stretch and IAF loudmouths will be fast asleep. If couple of sub-systems are pending testing in an entire aircraft made inside India, IAF chief suddenly finds his voice

Russia is able to fight a war lasting 2+ years as their armed force will fight with sticks if they have to as long as it is made inside Russia.

Let's just pray China does not get in mood to screw us anytime soon as our gold-plated western weaponry buyers will simply take flight to their kids homes in NY, Paris or London and leave foot soldiers to bear the brunt and consequences of their grift

 

[Patriots]

View: https://x.com/Griezmenace/status/1889262493295591638

 

[Spitfire IX]

Does he read newspapers that engine supply was stopped by USA not HAL.

I recall that when GE F404 delivery was late/going to be late, GE explained that it was having problems due to a supplier going into administration.

I also recall suggesting that it was possible that for political reasons the US administration, behind the scenes, was discouraging GE from fixing the supply problem as fast as it possibly could. I did not know if that was the case or not and never stated it was the case. I merely offered that as a possible explanation for the length of the delay. It seems to have been picked up by some on this forum and presented as an absolute truth in the best tradition of conspiracy theory.

If newspapers share my view, fine. What evidence do they present to substantiate the accusation that the US stopped supply of GE F404 to India? IIRC the supplier of whatever component(s) were needed in F404 was a foreign company (South Korean, IIRC). Had it been supplying HAL with parts to be used in Tejas Mk1A and stopped because it had gone bust, in what way would South Korea have stopped those parts being supplied to HAL? By having insolvency laws?

Companies go bust. Supply chains have problems.

 

[randombully]

GE can delay engine deliveries for years at a stretch and IAF loudmouths will be fast asleep. If couple of sub-systems are pending testing in an entire aircraft made inside India, IAF chief suddenly finds his voice

Russia is able to fight a war lasting 2+ years as their armed force will fight with sticks if they have to as long as it is made inside Russia.

Let's just pray China does not get in mood to screw us anytime soon as our gold-plated western weaponry buyers will simply take flight to their kids homes in NY, Paris or London and leave foot soldiers to bear the brunt and consequences of their grift

First, IAF cheif does not directly deals with GE, he will deal with HAL as he's getting his jets from Hal.
GE manufactures a "component" for the jet, GE is the supplier of HAL, it's HAL job to talk with them.

And as he didn't complain about engine to Hal means he understands that engines are not their fault, his complains are about things on which Hal has complete control over.

 

[Nutcracker]

He's not talking about engines..

He's saying stuff like these aren't operationalView attachment 24911

Didn't just last year a new / indigenous flight control computer was selected. Who opted for such massive modification just few months before scheduled delivery.

 

[Spitfire IX]

Didn't just last year a new / indigenous flight control computer was selected. Who opted for such massive modification just few months before scheduled delivery.

I imagine that the contract signed in 2021 for 73 fighters specified the exact requirement for those fighters. Why change it, if it was changed?

 

[Nutcracker]

I imagine that the contract signed in 2021 for 73 fighters specified the exact requirement for those fighters. Why change it, if it was changed?

Feb-2024

Tejas jet takes first flight with made-in-India digital flight control system

The defence ministry said that a Tejas light combat jet successfully completed a flight with an indigenous Digital Fly by Wire Flight Control Computer (DFCC).

www.indiatoday.in

 

[Spacemarine]

Didn't just last year a new / indigenous flight control computer was selected. Who opted for such massive modification just few months before scheduled delivery.

also raising this issue in Largest Air Show India ever conducted…

Openly infront of media scolding your most advanced Aero Space Entity when IAF is itself to blame equally,

IAF has asked to froze and then few iterations after asked to modify same thing this happened again and again.

The way IAF chief is trying to wash dirty laundry in an Air Show is disheartening…

The weapon certifications could have been sped up if IAF was also dedicated equally its not like HAL has dedicated expertise for same..

 

[Azaad]

Didn't just last year a new / indigenous flight control computer was selected. Who opted for such massive modification just few months before scheduled delivery.

Frankly I see what the IAF chief indulged in as part of the narrative building he , the IAF , MoD & GoI are indulging in to get in the MRFA requirements thru the backdoor.

The narrative is simple enough . Not enough FAs , GE not co operating , air crashes of existing FAs given obsolescence & overwork given paucity of squadrons , to top it all HAL not delivering , hence no choice except imports thru G2G deals like we did with 36 nos Rafales last time .

The report from the committee set up to examine the condition of the IAF & make recommendations should be due anytime now . Let's see if the report & it's recommendations are made public which I think it will after redaction of classified information.

 

[fire starter]

Mk1a will have podded irst

View: https://youtu.be/qqCBUsl4wCI?si=z_DgQ4qhaHMxm5GL

 

[redpanda]

According to the Air Chief Marshal, the Tejas Mk1A is not fully ready yet. The initial batch of aircraft being delivered features improvements over the Tejas Mk1 but does not yet include all the enhancements initially planned for the Mk1A.
At 1:21

View: https://youtu.be/CE1nIop1zFc

It's just usual IAF Rona dhona.. He refused to address DRDO's side last time when they were discussing. He just keeps yapping "I don't trust you guys". And somebody should ask him what has you done to help DRDO/GTRE in getting funds for building testbed, Tejas development? Other than sitting on higher podium. They behave like that brother in the house who criticize everyone in the family but does nothing to fix the problem.

 

[Kattar]

First, IAF cheif does not directly deals with GE, he will deal with HAL as he's getting his jets from Hal.
GE manufactures a "component" for the jet, GE is the supplier of HAL, it's HAL job to talk with them.

And as he didn't complain about engine to Hal means he understands that engines are not their fault, his complains are about things on which Hal has complete control over.

A trusted birdie spends its days next to Desi beauty's data analysis systems and often flies through most inaccessible cabins in Walchand Hirachand's company. Happened to sit on the same branch as the birdie after a long time for a short talk soon after first crash of Desi beauty. Here is what the birdie said,

# Group of Desi beauties takes off for high profile exercise where top most political and military bosses are waiting to watch what the beauties can do

# Immediately after takeoff, pilot of one beauty reports engine sound is not as usual and something is amiss though Sensors don't show anything abnormal yet

# Flight controllers ask Pilot to continue as planned, maybe they don't trust the pilot ears or decided to take the risk

# Fortunately things go fine at the dance stage but the beauty's engine seizes up when its almost back home. Pilot safely ejects and the beauty goes down very gracefully even without pilot at controls

# Experienced birdies at Walchand Hirachand run through beauty's data and figure out that a lubricant oil was drained / not loaded. They share related data to Amrikan supplier who confirms their suspicion

# Looks like somebody figured out how to drain the oil without triggering sensors immediately and did it hoping for spectacular crash before or on dance stage

# Top aatmanirbhar Maanav is unofficialy updated of actual reason for crash. Naturally enraged, he orders multiple top brass at Vayu Sena should personally take sorties on Desi beauty to affirm they will take good care of Desi beauty and not abandon her lusting after imported hotties. Top Brass forced to do needfull to cool down Maanav

# Actual story is carefully buried to avoid embrassment to Vayu sena and Desh. It is decided to make Oil Pump scapegoat for official records

Did employees of Walchand Hirachand's company make a public spectacle of the fact that some folks at Vayu Sena physically sabotaged Desi Beauty in sheer desperation to derail its brilliant safety record? Did they leak to press about how rotten our Sena is when it comes to import vs Desi? Did they talk within hearing distance of aam jantha of how this is very similar to driving Arjun In reverse gear for KMs until gearbox was damaged beyond repair to call it faulty?

 

[hit&run]

Members, please tell us what is the current production rate of MK1As.

 

[hit&run]

View: https://x.com/NewsIADN/status/1889333729153487277

HAL is expecting ₹1.3 lakh crore worth of orders for 97 Tejas Mk1A and 156 LCH Prachand attack helicopters within 6 months. #IADN

 

[randombully]

A trusted birdie spends its days next to Desi beauty's data analysis systems and often flies through most inaccessible cabins in Walchand Hirachand's company. Happened to sit on the same branch as the birdie after a long time for a short talk soon after first crash of Desi beauty. Here is what the birdie said,

# Group of Desi beauties takes off for high profile exercise where top most political and military bosses are waiting to watch what the beauties can do

# Immediately after takeoff, pilot of one beauty reports engine sound is not as usual and something is amiss though Sensors don't show anything abnormal yet

# Flight controllers ask Pilot to continue as planned, maybe they don't trust the pilot ears or decided to take the risk

# Fortunately things go fine at the dance stage but the beauty's engine seizes up when its almost back home. Pilot safely ejects and the beauty goes down very gracefully even without pilot at controls

# Experienced birdies at HAL run through beauty's data and figure out that a lubricant oil was drained / not loaded. They share related data to Amrikan supplier who confirms their suspicion

# Looks like somebody figured out how to drain the oil without triggering sensors immediately and did it hoping for spectacular crash before or on dance stage

# Top aatmanirbhar Maanav is unofficialy updated of actual reason for crash. Naturally enraged, he orders multiple top brass at Vayu Sena should personally take sorties on Desi beauty to affirm they will take good care of Desi beauty and not abandon her lusting after imported hotties. Top Brass forced to do needfull to cool down Maanav

# Actual story is carefully buried to avoid embrassment to Vayu sena and Desh. It is decided to make Oil Pump scapegoat for official records

Did employees of Walchand Hirachand's company make a public spectacle of the fact that some folks at Vayu Sena physically sabotaged Desi Beauty in sheer desperation to derail its brilliant safety record? Did they leak to press about how rotten our Sena is when it comes to import vs Desi? Did they talk within hearing distance of aam jantha of how this is very similar to driving Arjun In reverse gear for KMs until gearbox was damaged beyond repair to call it faulty?

Members, please tell us what is the current production rate of MK1As.

5 are ready waiting for engine.

 

[vampyrbladez]

A trusted birdie spends its days next to Desi beauty's data analysis systems and often flies through most inaccessible cabins in Walchand Hirachand's company. Happened to sit on the same branch as the birdie after a long time for a short talk soon after first crash of Desi beauty. Here is what the birdie said,

# Group of Desi beauties takes off for high profile exercise where top most political and military bosses are waiting to watch what the beauties can do

# Immediately after takeoff, pilot of one beauty reports engine sound is not as usual and something is amiss though Sensors don't show anything abnormal yet

# Flight controllers ask Pilot to continue as planned, maybe they don't trust the pilot ears or decided to take the risk

# Fortunately things go fine at the dance stage but the beauty's engine seizes up when its almost back home. Pilot safely ejects and the beauty goes down very gracefully even without pilot at controls

# Experienced birdies at Walchand Hirachand run through beauty's data and figure out that a lubricant oil was drained / not loaded. They share related data to Amrikan supplier who confirms their suspicion

# Looks like somebody figured out how to drain the oil without triggering sensors immediately and did it hoping for spectacular crash before or on dance stage

# Top aatmanirbhar Maanav is unofficialy updated of actual reason for crash. Naturally enraged, he orders multiple top brass at Vayu Sena should personally take sorties on Desi beauty to affirm they will take good care of Desi beauty and not abandon her lusting after imported hotties. Top Brass forced to do needfull to cool down Maanav

# Actual story is carefully buried to avoid embrassment to Vayu sena and Desh. It is decided to make Oil Pump scapegoat for official records

Did employees of Walchand Hirachand's company make a public spectacle of the fact that some folks at Vayu Sena physically sabotaged Desi Beauty in sheer desperation to derail its brilliant safety record? Did they leak to press about how rotten our Sena is when it comes to import vs Desi? Did they talk within hearing distance of aam jantha of how this is very similar to driving Arjun In reverse gear for KMs until gearbox was damaged beyond repair to call it faulty?

At this point the MRFA is dead as a dodo, obsolete and ill-conceived :

• No 5th generation offering in the foray
• Multiple redundancies in platforms (Tejas MK2-Gripen E/F, Rafale-ORCA/TEDBF)
• Delivery timelines (minimum of 36-48 months for first A/C)
• ToT concerns for modification (no access to source code or LRUs)

IAF will induct the Tejas MK1A > Tejas MK2 > AMCA kicking and screaming.

 

[Azaad]

At this point the MRFA is dead as a dodo, obsolete and ill-conceived :

• No 5th generation offering in the foray
• Multiple redundancies in platforms (Tejas MK2-Gripen E/F, Rafale-ORCA/TEDBF)
• Delivery timelines (minimum of 36-48 months for first A/C)
• ToT concerns for modification (no access to source code or LRUs)

IAF will induct the Tejas MK1A > Tejas MK2 > AMCA kicking and screaming.

Saurav Jha is of the opinion given the large gaps in the T/L between the induction of the Mk-2 & AMCA from the present it's possible to squeeze in the MRFA .

How exactly is that going to happen is unknown! For the Rafales order book is full right thru this decade & possibly early next decade though a French member on Strat Front & an ex senior Dassault executive at that, is of the opinion that Dassault can accommodate us.

That being said it also depends on how are we going about the entire business? For if we go down the tender route that should easily take another 5-6 years likely more just to reach an agreement .

The only other option is a G2G deal which was the original plan - getting the remaining FAs in tranches with offset obligations & no MII but we're battling against time here

 

[Bleh]

Enjoy...

View: https://youtu.be/xXh130yjpEA?si=eV8oKytrQ_7UpvwJ