MMRCA 2.0: News & Discussions

[Anants]

South Korea has no habit to study and produce jet engine. I'm afraid of another Kaveri story....

Nope they'll have a jet engine on the lines of Swedish F414

 

[BON PLAN]

Nope they'll have a jet engine on the lines of Swedish F414

It is an american engine. Or at least part of it.
Not a true SK one. So they will never be "free" to use it or export it.

 

[Anants]

It is an american engine. Or at least part of it.
Not a true SK one. So they will never be "free" to use it or export it.

I know thats why I wrote Swedish F414 as model which SK shall attempt to get aircraft off assembly line for few production cycles till they mature their tech unless they manage to get some tech transfer from some other menand or other countries.

 

[Mangal]

Could be an opportunity for IAF.

https://www.financialexpress.com/business/defence-uae-cancels-20-billion-rafale-deal-with-france-despite-telegram-ceos-release-3595771/

 

[SlayingHell]

Could be an opportunity for IAF.

https://www.financialexpress.com/business/defence-uae-cancels-20-billion-rafale-deal-with-france-despite-telegram-ceos-release-3595771/

Why do people post fake news without verifying anything? Even without confirming it real or fake. Think logically, why would UAE abandon a most optimum fighter jet only slightly below F-35 for the sake of a puny citizen?

 

[BON PLAN]

Could be an opportunity for IAF.

https://www.financialexpress.com/business/defence-uae-cancels-20-billion-rafale-deal-with-france-despite-telegram-ceos-release-3595771/

Even if it is true, FROZEN is not CANCELED.
And even in this case, at least 15% have been paid. It is more than the margin on such a deal : a good affair for Dassault.
We don't care of UAE pressures. Without oil, and after the last barril produce, UAE will always be a dwarf.

 

[Abhijeet]

114 Fighter Aircraft For India: IAF Chief Bets On “Jaguar-Model” For Multi-Billion MRFA Contract; Admits Tech Gap With China

 

114 Fighter Aircraft For India: IAF Chief Bets On “Jaguar-Model” For Multi-Billion MRFA Contract; Admits Tech Gap With China

The new Indian Air Force (IAF) Chief made a strong case for the speedy acquisition of Medium-Role Fighter Aircraft (MRFA) as the force has a yawning technological gap vis-à-vis China. However, he contends that based on superior training and exposure, the IAF will be able to maintain the status...

www.eurasiantimes.com

 

[Anants]

114 Fighter Aircraft For India: IAF Chief Bets On “Jaguar-Model” For Multi-Billion MRFA Contract; Admits Tech Gap With China

 

114 Fighter Aircraft For India: IAF Chief Bets On “Jaguar-Model” For Multi-Billion MRFA Contract; Admits Tech Gap With China

The new Indian Air Force (IAF) Chief made a strong case for the speedy acquisition of Medium-Role Fighter Aircraft (MRFA) as the force has a yawning technological gap vis-à-vis China. However, he contends that based on superior training and exposure, the IAF will be able to maintain the status...

www.eurasiantimes.com

And that gap shall be fulfilled by 4th gen aircrafts? Ofcourse Jatna ko kya Maloom ek saal bolenge parity achieved but 2nd year they shall cry we needed 5th gen re.. Govt forced us to buy 4th gen onlee.. Anyway Indigenization target has been conveniently kept at distant vague 2047 target...

 

[BON PLAN]

114 Fighter Aircraft For India: IAF Chief Bets On “Jaguar-Model” For Multi-Billion MRFA Contract; Admits Tech Gap With China

 

114 Fighter Aircraft For India: IAF Chief Bets On “Jaguar-Model” For Multi-Billion MRFA Contract; Admits Tech Gap With China

The new Indian Air Force (IAF) Chief made a strong case for the speedy acquisition of Medium-Role Fighter Aircraft (MRFA) as the force has a yawning technological gap vis-à-vis China. However, he contends that based on superior training and exposure, the IAF will be able to maintain the status...

www.eurasiantimes.com

rumored in France : 114 fighter deal is now on short list between F21 and Rafale.
F21 is not the prefered bird according to IAF, but is helped by a massive US pressure.
Rafale is now well known by IAF, but more costly (and also more potent).
Wait and see now.

 

[shade2]

rumored in France : 114 fighter deal is now on short list between F21 and Rafale.
F21 is not the prefered bird according to IAF, but is helped by a massive US pressure.
Rafale is now well known by IAF, but more costly (and also more potent).
Wait and see now.

For once malai-khor Gernails and GoI is on the same team i guess.
Burgers can fuck themselves with their Cold War museum piece

 

[shade2]

btw y'all nibbiars know if the Rafale offered for MRFA is the "old" one or is it the F4 upgrade version.

Knowing the frenchies and them knowing our problems with Uncle Sam making their platform preferable, I wouldn't put it past them to sell us the old one and then charge a hefty premium for making the F4 upgrades later

 

[sameer]

And that gap shall be fulfilled by 4th gen aircrafts? Ofcourse Jatna ko kya Maloom ek saal bolenge parity achieved but 2nd year they shall cry we needed 5th gen re.. Govt forced us to buy 4th gen onlee.. Anyway Indigenization target has been conveniently kept at distant vague 2047 target...

My personal opinion, MRFA should've been a done deal back in 2010-2015 itself. We didn't have any domestic equivalent of Rafale back then. Acquiring it or even some roosi equivalent would've bought us some valuable time until MK2 starts production. Right now with all the Rafale production locked up till atleast 2030, it's too late.

This whole fiasco is just exceptional levels of bad planning.

 

[BON PLAN]

btw y'all nibbiars know if the Rafale offered for MRFA is the "old" one or is it the F4 upgrade version.

Knowing the frenchies and them knowing our problems with Uncle Sam making their platform preferable, I wouldn't put it past them to sell us the old one and then charge a hefty premium for making the F4 upgrades later

It is the F4, with an option to upgrade your F3R to F4
I think that all the birds on the assembly line so far are F4 ready (but for some customers may be shorten on spec.... as Serbia. Not the case for a strong ally as India)

 

[Spitfire IX]

According to Wiki, the contenders are

Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet
Boeing F-15EX Eagle II
Dassault Rafale
Eurofighter Typhoon
Lockheed Martin F-21
Mikoyan MiG-35
Saab JAS-39 Gripen E/F
Sukhoi Su-35

My guess is that

Gripen E is not really in contention (too similar to Tejas Mk2)
All US types are out (lack of ToT and supply subject to US Congress interference at any time)
Rafale is likely out (lack of ToT and will want too much control of production)

What is the Indian view of Eurofighter (with some political supply risk), MiG-35 and Su-35?

How much longer can MRFA go on before it becomes pointless (too late for purpose) and is scrapped, to be followed by an order for 2 or 3 squadrons of Rafale instead?

 

[BON PLAN]

Rafale is likely out (lack of ToT and will want too much control of production)

best Bull Shit of of month.
You really are an ace.....

 

[shade2]

According to Wiki, the contenders are

Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet
Boeing F-15EX Eagle II
Dassault Rafale
Eurofighter Typhoon
Lockheed Martin F-21
Mikoyan MiG-35
Saab JAS-39 Gripen E/F
Sukhoi Su-35

My guess is that

Gripen E is not really in contention (too similar to Tejas Mk2)
All US types are out (lack of ToT and supply subject to US Congress interference at any time)
Rafale is likely out (lack of ToT and will want too much control of production)

What is the Indian view of Eurofighter (with some political supply risk), MiG-35 and Su-35?

How much longer can MRFA go on before it becomes pointless (too late for purpose) and is scrapped, to be followed by an order for 2 or 3 squadrons of Rafale instead?

Rafale is most likely but as yet another piecemeal purchase not part of MRFA contract

They could make Rafale the winner but you never know Uncle Sam will cook up another assassination or some other plot and threaten sanctions over not choosing the F-16 rebadge that they are desperately hawking

E*rofighter is too many cooks, each cook can decide to embargo you and you have no plane.
The Russians won't be able to deliver and we have their stuff already

 

[BON PLAN]

Rafale is most likely but as yet another piecemeal purchase not part of MRFA contract

They could make Rafale the winner but you never know Uncle Sam will cook up another assassination or some other plot and threaten sanctions over not choosing the F-16 rebadge that they are desperately hawking

E*rofighter is too many cooks, each cook can decide to embargo you and you have no plane.
The Russians won't be able to deliver and we have their stuff already

India is very aware of USA bad moves.
They already have given uncle Sam a lot of money for P8I, Apache and drones.
On the other side USA needs to rely on India for blocking the Chinese expansion.

So I don't think India is in a situation to fear uncle Sam possible retaliation if no Us jets ordered.

As you said, russian planes are already well spreaded in IAF and IN, and not always highly appreciated (a lower price but a lower availability). And russian planes, without the export limitations, don't perform so well in Ukraine...

Rafale has made the most difficult : opening the door (for the first 36), showing how potent it is (IAF pilots are very happy with, and the avalability is officially at nearly 90%, for a 75% by contract, so top ranked).
=>I don't see India purchasing another plane, with all the logistic and training new course to come.

If MRCA2 goes to an end, it is for Rafale.
And if MRCA2 is ended, a second (and maybe third) GtoG Rafale deal will occur. It is my bet from the beginning of MMRCA : between 72 and 108 Rafale purchased to France.

 

[FalconSlayers]

View: https://x.com/ani_digital/status/1851194878660653540

 

[SlayingHell]

View: https://x.com/ani_digital/status/1851194878660653540

If they are utilizing this as a leverage our Fighter or Engine Program like how Koreans used F-35 deal to get KF-21 accelerate, then i can give them a benefit of doubt. If its plain spluring or "Muh KaPaBiLiTy" without any genuine benefit of offsets then god save this nation.

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

View: https://x.com/ani_digital/status/1851194878660653540

Ye phir shuru ho gaya.