North East States: Law and Order

[ezsasa]

I dont doubt thats the policy govt is going to apply as before. But that policy has not prevented before and people fear that will not prevent now an issue - for which most members here are expressing apprehension: demographic upset. Driving away of Native Tribes, Native Culture, Hindus by the time Govt is able to establishes control. We have seen that in Kashmir. We have seen that in Punjab. And this what people I guess are worried about in Manipur.

But given Ajit Doval sir has NE specialization - we can trust that Govt may have better gripe of the situation than we give credit to them. Lets wait and watch.

i'll just add one more bit, once in a while(years actually) we keep hearing about unsettled borders in speeches by our top people associated with our security establishment. the phrase "unsettled borders" has a larger context and implications there of, it is a phase that newly created sovereign nations go thru on their land borders, it lasts decades before it settles down. countries in central and western europe do no have internal conversations on "unsettled borders", because they have settled thru "world wars".

i have tried to visualise the core issue in the image below.

arrows represent writ and influence of the state, in border areas partial influence is always there from the neighbouring sovereign. internally no matter how much we try to play "whack-a-mole", neighbouring state can always play spoilsport for their self-interest.

ideal solution is treaty bound neighbouring state, with a clear understanding with each other that their territory should not be used against us. was attempted, and failed with pakiland.


and our neighbouring states in NE are bangladesh, china, myanmar . all of them are new sovereign states. all of them have issues arising at their boundary.

a type of solution was attempted with BD thru SHW, that understanding got disrupted because of political shifts there.

while home ministry and security establishment will continue to work on internal aspects, but the solution lies in having mutual understanding with the neighbouring state.

basically we have no easy answers for now.

 

[darkindie]

Yeah, no hammer. That was just to quell the protests and some surface-level actions.



I am sick of this fence-sitter attitute of this current govt. No decision on anything, trying to play on both sides and resultantly get fcuked by both sides.

Internet ban means off the books ops and actions. Whether it's considered hammer down or not depends upon the perspective.

Manipur Background:
Pre violence:
Manipur is a state with a very complex demography in a delicate balance.

Kuki live on hills (lack of infra) sandwiched between meities and nagas.
Meities live in valley (relatively good infra land but small in size than hills)

Land ownership between tribes/communities big problem in manipur.

Poppy farming being destroyed by GOI to kill militant orgs.(Hurts western interests/forces doing clandestine ops)

Myannmar civil war:
Kuki chin zo refugees enter india abusing the 16 km no restriction border crossing.

Number of refugees increase and kuki zo people start spilling into valley from hills, increasing ethnic tensions.

GOI suspends 16km no restriction border crossing and starts fencing border.
Start of Instability:

Manipur court gives ST status(they are) to Meities which includes some land rights.

This results in simmering tensions erupt into full blown ethnic conflict.

Churches become part of logistics network for prolonging the conflict.

GOI orders manipur police(comprising mostly of meities) to manage valley and Assam rifles to manage hills.

GOI quells violence and brings both communities to table for peace.

Experienced militants fighting in myannmar cross the border and commit violent attacks on meities to start violent ethnic clashes in Manipur with support from western clandestine forces with material support (drones, rockets, etc) being provided by china.

To deal with external militants GOI brings in IA in limited capacity.

Just like in J&K, OGWs first tried to start ethnic conflict by killing children and parading women naked. Then when it did not work militants from myannmar infiltrated to start drone and rocket attacks.

Problem:
Differentiate native kuki chin zo from the militants from myannmar.

Solution:
Cutting net to cut communication, logistics and cooperation of militants, intel based ops and off the book ops.

Reason:
If GOI takes side of any one community without differentiating between native citizens and refugees/militants of the same community will result in an internally supported insurgency which is not the case right now. Current violence is externally supported.

 

[hurrians]

"Not only the people of Myanmar, but also the people of India will suffer difficulties because people from both sides already have a long history of crossing the border,”

Like the pakis , Americans are angry with the fencing, hence it should be completed on mission mode/war footing.

https://www.rfa.org/english/news/myanmar/india-myanmar-border-fence-09272024170421.html

 

[darkindie]

"Not only the people of Myanmar, but also the people of India will suffer difficulties because people from both sides already have a long history of crossing the border,”

Like the pakis , Americans are angry with the fencing, hence it should be completed on mission mode/war footing.

https://www.rfa.org/english/news/myanmar/india-myanmar-border-fence-09272024170421.html

Yeah it was put in mission mode when refugees started pouring by abusing 16km free cross border policy, it was still late. It should have started when GOI started destroying poppy fields.

 

[Clawreed]

Internet ban means off the books ops and actions. Whether it's considered hammer down or not depends upon the perspective.

Manipur Background:
Pre violence:
Manipur is a state with a very complex demography in a delicate balance.

Kuki live on hills (lack of infra) sandwiched between meities and nagas.
Meities live in valley (relatively good infra land but small in size than hills)

Land ownership between tribes/communities big problem in manipur.

Poppy farming being destroyed by GOI to kill militant orgs.(Hurts western interests/forces doing clandestine ops)

Myannmar civil war:
Kuki chin zo refugees enter india abusing the 16 km no restriction border crossing.

Number of refugees increase and kuki zo people start spilling into valley from hills, increasing ethnic tensions.

GOI suspends 16km no restriction border crossing and starts fencing border.
Start of Instability:

Manipur court gives ST status(they are) to Meities which includes some land rights.

This results in simmering tensions erupt into full blown ethnic conflict.

Churches become part of logistics network for prolonging the conflict.

GOI orders manipur police(comprising mostly of meities) to manage valley and Assam rifles to manage hills.

GOI quells violence and brings both communities to table for peace.

Experienced militants fighting in myannmar cross the border and commit violent attacks on meities to start violent ethnic clashes in Manipur with support from western clandestine forces with material support (drones, rockets, etc) being provided by china.

To deal with external militants GOI brings in IA in limited capacity.

Just like in J&K, OGWs first tried to start ethnic conflict by killing children and parading women naked. Then when it did not work militants from myannmar infiltrated to start drone and rocket attacks.

Problem:
Differentiate native kuki chin zo from the militants from myannmar.

Solution:
Cutting net to cut communication, logistics and cooperation of militants, intel based ops and off the book ops.

Reason:
If GOI takes side of any one community without differentiating between native citizens and refugees/militants of the same community will result in an internally supported insurgency which is not the case right now. Current violence is externally supported.

A small correction. No ST status has been given to meiteis. It was just a suggestion by the court.

 

[Clawreed]

So, 3 meiteis got caught by the kukis. One has been released . Let's see if the rest can be saved. We'll see how proactive the centre is or if they have any meaningful influence or leverage to handle this kind of incident. The kukis won't deal with the state govt there. Only hope for the two men is the central forces.

 

[darkindie]

A small correction. No ST status has been given to meiteis. It was just a suggestion by the court.

Yeah my bad the suggestion was given by court to grant ST status to meities

 

[tomthounaojam87]

So, 3 meiteis got caught by the kukis. One has been released . Let's see if the rest can be saved. We'll see how proactive the centre is or if they have any meaningful influence or leverage to handle this kind of incident. The kukis won't deal with the state govt there. Only hope for the two men is the central forces.

They went to appear for SSC exam, but sadly 2 are still held by them. They enter no mainland or buffer zone between Meitei and Kuki, and are first caught by the women volunteers of Kuki and handed over to their armed folks. I hope they release them safely, then we are going one step toward peace if they are executed then many steps backward and might escalate.

 

[tomthounaojam87]

It is scary to see how well-armed these Kuki armed groups are.

 

[Blademaster]

It is scary to see how well-armed these Kuki armed groups are.

And the milards only care about what Hindus do, not these fuckers. It is so obvious that they are getting support from US. Something needs to be done.

 

[tomthounaojam87]

And the milards only care about what Hindus do, not these fuckers. It is so obvious that they are getting support from US. Something needs to be done.

Other than Amogh carbine which is looted from the Manipur Police rest are some high-end AR rifles, so some west interest is there for sure.

 

[tomthounaojam87]

Two abducted Meitei youths have been released.
.....................
And here is an American Preacher, Telling Kuki Meiteis as the enemy.

View: https://www.facebook.com/defencealerts/videos/506968692329542

 

[Azaad]

Two abducted Meitei youths have been released.
.....................
And here is an American Preacher, Telling Kuki Meiteis as the enemy.

View: https://www.facebook.com/defencealerts/videos/506968692329542

He's preaching the opposite of what you're claiming but that apart why're we providing visas to such people especially in these troubled times or even otherwise.

 

[Clawreed]

He's preaching the opposite of what you're claiming but that apart why're we providing visas to such people especially in these troubled times or even otherwise.

The thing is these missionary groups provide more for the people than the govt.

 

[Clawreed]

Two abducted Meitei youths have been released.
.....................
And here is an American Preacher, Telling Kuki Meiteis as the enemy.

View: https://www.facebook.com/defencealerts/videos/506968692329542

Any kind of deal made for the release?

 

[tomthounaojam87]

Any kind of deal made for the release?

11 Kuki swapped for the 2 youth

 

[shade2]

And the milards only care about what Hindus do, not these fuckers. It is so obvious that they are getting support from US. Something needs to be done.

Because they are supported by US that is why nothing is done.
It is more easy to cull the Mithais since nobody cares about them

Mithais themselves feel alienated by the GoI and now will go back to their secessionist ways

 

[shade2]

Let me guess.
Assam rifles: do not favor Meities
Manipur police: favours Meities

Is that it? No one really answers why these guys are so against each other.

Meiteis= Ok with CAPF, Army, MP
Kuki= Ok with Assam Rifle

Has anyone found the reason behind this, Manipur Police is majority Meitei so it's understandable, does the local AR recruit from Kuki's only?

 

[tomthounaojam87]

Has anyone found the reason behind this, Manipur Police is majority Meitei so it's understandable, does the local AR recruit from Kuki's only?

watch this

View: https://www.facebook.com/61562783023694/videos/466987409695100

 

[darkindie]

Because they are supported by US that is why nothing is done.
It is more easy to cull the Mithais since nobody cares about them

Mithais themselves feel alienated by the GoI and now will go back to their secessionist ways

If meiteis had been alienated, imphal valley would have been overrun and mass exodus of meiteis would have happened. Central Paramilitary and army deployment ensured that did not happen.

Secessionism is dying as it has not benefitted the people in any way and they know that.

People wanna live and enjoy life like they see on the net.