Operation Sindoor & Aftermath (76 Viewers)

[MasterChief]

There is no BVR disadvantage to IAF in comparison to PAF, IAF maintains First Look First Kill capability against PAF.

Modi is not to blame here, Modi didn't plan the operation it was IAF which planned the air strikes, they did tactical mistake which resulted in loss of Mig-29 due to enemy action and Rafale due to pilot error.

Tactical mistake was letting the PAF take easy shots on IAF for which hopefully some action is taken on IAF honchos.

IAF has Meteor and R37M in limited numbers which outrange PL-15

Military attache was clear that Government instructed to not hit any Paki military or civilian asset. That's fine, as big JEM and LET headquarters (which Pakis thought India would dare not target.. so kudos to Modi for that) were there to hit..
Now, the question is what about next time.. Pakistani Jihadi assets will be much more dispersed.. So, no big Jihadi target to justify air strikes..
Will Modi Gov.. greenlight first strikes on Paki Military targets.. ? Hope so..

 

[Nutcracker]

Now, the question is what about next time.. Pakistani Jihadi assets will be much more dispersed.. So, no big Jihadi target to justify air strikes..
Will Modi Gov.. greenlight first strikes on Paki Military targets.. ? Hope so..

That's why Op Sindoor is still "On-going", and technically we are still at the second last, if not last ladder of escalation where Op Sindoor first phase ended.

 

[vidhwanshak]

There is no BVR disadvantage to IAF in comparison to PAF, IAF maintains First Look First Kill capability against PAF.

Modi is not to blame here, Modi didn't plan the operation it was IAF which planned the air strikes, they did tactical mistake which resulted in loss of Mig-29 due to enemy action and Rafale due to pilot error.

Tactical mistake was letting the PAF take easy shots on IAF for which hopefully some action is taken on IAF honchos.

IAF has Meteor and R37M in limited numbers which outrange PL-15

Nope
It is Modi and his political ambitions at fault here. Political leadership had asked Armed forces to not target any military establishment.
Do you think IAF is a fool to not conduct SEAD/DEAD before launching attacks which is a textbook strategy followed by military all over the world ?
You claim IAF has meteors. Where are those meteors ? Show me Indian Rafael with metors in India ? We don't have it as of now.
Despite being handcuffed, IAF did such a awesome work. Political blunders can't be and shouldn't be shifted to military.

Modi was so Aman ki Aasha premi that in the very next conference after IAF bombed terror camps, despite loosing few airframes, it was announced ttat if Pakistan doesn't target India after this, things can be de-escalated.

 

[vidhwanshak]

Nope
It is Modi and his political ambitions at fault here. Political leadership had asked Armed forces to not target any military establishment.
Do you think IAF is a fool to not conduct SEAD/DEAD before launching attacks which is a textbook strategy followed by military all over the world ?
You claim IAF has meteors. Where are those meteors ? Show me Indian Rafael with metors in India ? We don't have it as of now.
Despite being handcuffed, IAF did such a awesome work. Political blunders can't be and shouldn't be shifted to military.

Modi was so Aman ki Aasha premi that in the very next conference after IAF bombed terror camps, despite loosing few airframes, it was announced ttat if Pakistan doesn't target India after this, things can be de-escalated.

I have some kind of love-hated
relationship with this government. Just can't make up my mind. I denounce them for not having adequate security in Pahalgam, appreciate that they owned it up and launched Sindoor but then again cuffing armed forces to not target military establishment just to score some brownie points by not being an aggressor. I am talking about May 7.

 

[Nutcracker]

IAF is fool enough to buy 8B$ white elephants that probably don't have meteor intigrated, and certainly ZERO SEAD/DEAD capability, in the absense of any ARM and Towed decoy.

Do you think IAF is a fool to not conduct SEAD/DEAD

 

[ezsasa]

I have some kind of love-hated
relationship with this government. Just can't make up my mind. I denounce them for not having adequate security in Pahalgam, appreciate that they owned it up and launched Sindoor but then again cuffing armed forces to not target military establishment just to score some brownie points by not being an aggressor. I am talking about May 7.

basically your brain finds bean counting as your comfort zone, no matter what happens your brain is inclined to finding some fault. perhaps it doesn't matter what reality is, you have chosen to be anxious or unhappy.

nothing wrong as such, to each their own.

even if gormint hadn't taken the political call to target only jihadis during first punch, something else would have happened, these are military conflicts something else always happens, this world is not perfect and $hit happens, your brain would still be unhappy about that something else.

how do we know this, nobody predicted what exactly is going to happen in op sindoor, yet the complaints are post facto. picked a few points that are supposedly not up to satisfaction, and ranting on and on and on about it.

ideally the learning should be, things are getting complicated in the sub-continent and around the world, have to learn to grow a thick skin. but nope, apparently that's not the instinct that kicks in for all.

 

[Interested]

https://indianexpress.com/article/business/budget/budget-2025-subsidy-bill-set-to-fall-to-6-year-low-9812719/

Bhosdapillars should rant less and read more.

You shd be the one reading .

It shoudl stop. Not be less as a percentage after they increased it last year before the elections .

There is no BVR disadvantage to IAF in comparison to PAF, IAF maintains First Look First Kill capability against PAF.

Modi is not to blame here, Modi didn't plan the operation it was IAF which planned the air strikes, they did tactical mistake which resulted in loss of Mig-29 due to enemy action and Rafale due to pilot error.

Tactical mistake was letting the PAF take easy shots on IAF for which hopefully some action is taken on IAF honchos.

IAF has Meteor and R37M in limited numbers which outrange PL-15

IAF Rafale are not integrated with the Meteor missiles currently . Lots of reports on that even on this forum . The crashed Rafale was carrying a MICA missile confirming that .

R37 is not a missile suitable to hit other modern jets . Too slow and too big . Even if India has it which is not confirmed . Also none of the Russia, A2A missiles perform at the range advertised . India faces this issue with the R77 as well which is on paper comparable to the AIM-120 but as reported the day after Balakot the SU30 MKI was outranged and has to take evasive actions to not get hit and on their own could not get a lock on PAF with the R77.

 

[Savageking456]

View: https://x.com/TheLegateIN/status/1947324223044952324?t=ZwWOvNLaEJLGiylUNNKYTQ&s=19
100 jets?

 

[GaudaNaresh]

The mental gymnastics people are doing here to deny our losses is hilarious and sad at the same time.

I mean literally the CDS accepted that we had losses. There is strong evidence we lost at least 3 fighters, including one Rafale.

Is it the end of the fucking world? No!!

Did we do significant damage and showed our capabilities to hit Pakistan deep? Yes.

Could we have done more damage and hit actual assets like their AD batteries or military installations instead of runaways or buildings to drive the point home? Yes.

Should we learn from our mistakes and do proper SEAD next time? Yes.

Should we get serious increase our defence spending significantly, given the multiple threats facing us? Yes.

I am a strong believer in the Occams razor.

CDA job is to protect us and misdirect the enemy. Not give accounting details of battle. There is zero proof any 2 engine plane crashed in OP Sindoor. CDS also said no rafale is lost so selective quoting isn't gonna work. Every single 2 engine crash in ukraine russia war has both engines unsepersted from central spine. But somehow magic in Indian air leads to 2nd engine disappearing. Amazing.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

There are sources/links on top of pictures for each one of them.
https://defenceforumbharat.com/threads/operation-sindoor-aftermath.856/post-182721

- https://bangladeshdefence.blogspot.com/2014/06/crashed-mig-29-fighter-aircraft-of.html
- https://www.voanews.com/a/russian-jet-downed-over-idlib-syria/4237757.html
- https://www.aa.com.tr/en/russia-ukr...-ukraines-mig-29-fighter-jet-8-drones/2599109
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6toEWnU5pQ

You can always do a google image search (reverse) if you have doubts on authenticity of the pictures.

None of them satisfy the criteria I set : find me a single agreed upon/undisputed air crash with wreckage 100% on land and engine separation from crash site. This means show me a single report, not random tweets of unqualified people making shit up.
Here I will make it easier for you: find me a single crash site pic of russia-ukraine war with missing engine from crash site from dual engine planes.
Or explain from your alleged rafale engine pic, how can one engine be 90% intact- retain shape and just be dented, yet seperated from central riveting it shares with the other engine. Last I checked we as humans don't have sci-fi laser cutters that will surgically vaporize the central spine shared by two engines.

If you cannot, your position is voided, regardless of how many randos you cite from twitter.

 

[Tumba]

You shd be the one reading .

It shoudl stop. Not be less as a percentage after they increased it last year before the elections .

IAF Rafale are not integrated with the Meteor missiles currently . Lots of reports on that even on this forum . The crashed Rafale was carrying a MICA missile confirming that .

R37 is not a missile suitable to hit other modern jets . Too slow and too big . Even if India has it which is not confirmed .

IAF used both Meteors and R37M successfully on paki fighters and force multipliers.
This was confirmed by third party also.

 

[Interested]

IAF used both Meteors and R37M successfully on paki fighters and force multipliers.
This was confirmed by third party also.

No they didn't.

Not a single price of wreckage of a Meteor or R37 was found .

I doubt there are Meteor missiles in India to begin it at this time . Has there been a single photo of a IAF Rafale carrying it ?

 

[Tumba]

No they didn't.

Not a single price of wreckage of a Meteor or R37 was found .

I doubt there are Meteor missiles in India to begin it at this time . Has there been a single photo of a IAF Rafale carrying it ?

You are a fool if u think IAF launches BVR at DMAX, IAF launched Meteors at at point of sure shot hits.

S-400 314KM kill was on C-130
R-37M hit was on awacs
2 F-16s were taken out by Meteor

PAF shoots all its payload on DMAX ranges which are more or less wasting million dollar BVRs

 

[Noob_Saibot]

CDA job is to protect us and misdirect the enemy. Not give accounting details of battle. There is zero proof any 2 engine plane crashed in OP Sindoor. CDS also said no rafale is lost so selective quoting isn't gonna work. Every single 2 engine crash in ukraine russia war has both engines unsepersted from central spine. But somehow magic in Indian air leads to 2nd engine disappearing. Amazing.

Not this again. Nothing but mental gymnastics.

‘Rafales, in the plural…absolutely not correct’: India’s defence secretary dismisses Pakistan claim

Indian Defence Secretary RK Singh has denied Pakistan’s claim on shooting down Indian fighter planes. He said that it was ‘absolutely not correct’ that Pakistan shot down more than one Indian Rafale plane in Operation Sindoor.

www.firstpost.com

"Rafales in the plural not correct". A class 5 student will tell you what the statement means, that one Rafale was lost. Language comprehension 101.

Have you heard of Occam's razor?

Why are you so hung up about the fact a Rafale was lost? It's no big deal, losses happen in combat.

We achieved our objectives, showed Pakis that we can hit them wherever and whenever we want. Mission accomplished.

 

[MasterChief]

There is no BVR disadvantage to IAF in comparison to PAF, IAF maintains First Look First Kill capability against PAF.

Modi is not to blame here, Modi didn't plan the operation it was IAF which planned the air strikes, they did tactical mistake which resulted in loss of Mig-29 due to enemy action and Rafale due to pilot error.

Tactical mistake was letting the PAF take easy shots on IAF for which hopefully some action is taken on IAF honchos.

IAF has Meteor and R37M in limited numbers which outrange PL-15

IAF hands were tied.. SCALP has larger warhead size than Hammer.. It is said that the Hammer variant chosen had even less than 250 kg warhead size.. The instruction from Modi Gov. was to cause minimum civilian casualties.. Large warhead detonation means nearby buildings in the congested area also get blown up..
So, IAF had no choice but to use Hammer (3/4 gumbaz of mazaar penetrated precisely).. and thus had to get very near the border. Basically a semi suicide mission considering the large warhead size of Chinki SAMs.. Modi is lucky that no pilot died on the mission..
This after Pakistan striking our aircraft first across the border during Swift retort.. So, it means military and GOI never that PAF will shoot first ..
That is why despite all the rhetoric by GOI that a big terror attack is an act of war, I still have my doubts, that Modi will be the first to target Pakistani military assets the third time around.

It's just that this is the best dispensation that we can have at the moment . Masochist Congi PM would have done this..


View: https://youtu.be/mwU_7Nj_pbg?feature=shared

 

[Noob_Saibot]

IAF used both Meteors and R37M successfully on paki fighters and force multipliers.
This was confirmed by third party also.

There is square root of fuck all evidence we even HAVE the R37m , forget about using it.

Zero evidence of Meteors being integrated too.

Where do you get your info from?

 

[Tumba]

IAF hands were tied.. SCALP has larger warhead size than Hammer.. It is said that the Hammer variant chosen had even less than 250 kg warhead size.. The instruction from Modi Gov. was to cause minimum civilian casualties.. Large warhead detonation means nearby buildings in the congested area also get blown up..
So, IAF had no choice but to use Hammer (3/4 gumbaz of mazaar penetrated precisely).. and thus had to get very near the border. Basically a semi suicide mission considering the large warhead size of Chinki SAMs.. Modi is lucky that no pilot died on the mission..
This after Pakistan striking our aircraft first across the border during Swift retort.. So, it means military and GOI never that PAF will shoot first ..
That is why despite all the rhetoric by GOI that a big terror attack is an act of war, I still have my doubts, that Modi will be the first to target Pakistani military assets the third time around.

It's just that this is the best dispensation that we can have at the moment . Masochist Congi PM would have done this..


View: https://youtu.be/mwU_7Nj_pbg?feature=shared

Sure just like they did in 1990s when Hindu genocide took place in Kashmir
And then monthly terrorist attacks across India all during your favourite congitards …

Are you really that stupid or an inbred?

 

[MasterChief]

View: https://x.com/TheLegateIN/status/1947324223044952324?t=ZwWOvNLaEJLGiylUNNKYTQ&s=19
100 jets?

I think we must train less..
Given the declining air frame numbers.. why do we have to train so intensively..

Not as less as Pakis train.. but I am sh*t scared about more crashes. .

 

[Tumba]

There is square root of fuck all evidence we even HAVE the R37m , forget about using it.

Zero evidence of Meteors being integrated too.

Where do you get your info from?

How do u think IAF shot down F-16s, JF-17s and Mirage PAF in Air? When they were flying below radar coverage of S-400s??

Think about that

 

[MasterChief]

Sure just like they did in 1990s when Hindu genocide took place in Kashmir
And them monthly terrorist attacks across India all during your favourite congitards …

Are you really that stupid or an inbred?

Aii..
What did I say.. ? I said Modi Gov. is the best dispensation we can have at the centre at the moment.. mainly w.r.t foreign and trade policy..