Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[Nicky]

Oof, they're crying now, what will happen when we open the gates in full during monsoon

Water missile.

Currently they are busy selling another false flag to bomb Balochistan.


View: https://x.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1925141388494074069?t=9KTGNv1LHS2Wwsa8xbyeIg&s=19

 

[Corvus Splendens]

View: https://x.com/MeghUpdates/status/1925906743848013842

 

[fire starter]

Due to nearly 30 years of active American military, intelligence and bureaucratic presence in Pakistan ( war against Russians and then Al Qaeda ), generations of officers from both sides have created bonds that India cannot even imagine to match. And all those young guys are Generals and Secretaries now on both sides.

Whatever the American government might say or announce, the decision makers at all levels in US have a soft corner for Pakistan and will never let that slide.

Yes, India has gained rapport and respect with our growth and self reliance. But mostly it has antagonised the West, pushing them even closer to Pakistan. Nobody likes to see India move ahead and become self reliant.

Pakistan diplomacy is strongly entrenched in DC and even the military has phenomenal support from Americans. Which neither India’s resistance, nor Chinese influence has been able to shake. They even have solid network in media, educational institutes and banks in US.

Imagine US knowing everything about Pakistan - right from every single terror network operating from there, finding Osama, corruption of leaders and Generals, coups, human rights violations against minorities - and yet, never even going for a sanction against them. Never said anything, never did anything. Just ignored ! And this is the country that invaded Iraq on suspicion of WMDs.

We make these concessions and turn a blind eye only for our dearest friends.

Pakistanis may not have learnt to work hard, industrialise, educate themselves and build modern infrastructure, learn science and all that; but they’ve mastered the art of manipulation and seduction.

Pakistan might be a puny challenge in itself for present India’s military and economic might. But make no mistake - we fight Pakistan, we irk USA. No Obama, Biden or Trump can change that.

It’s not like we don’t have allies. But counting US amongst them would be a big mistake.

View: https://x.com/Manik_M_Jolly/status/1925807228025553054?t=YD51igMcinaL8H8MKDHpBg&s=19

 

[samlessheart]

Any chances of pakistan breaking ceasefire for "revenge"?

Seems Unlikely as they will be retaliated heavily ..! And even if they do break ceasefire they will do it in a way that will not attract media attention with small arms etc. maybe.
Currently they are riding the train of how they were the victim of Indian aggression. Ceasefire violation won't go well with that narrative.
Simply put they don't have Balls to do so..!

 

[delta]

Any chances of pakistan breaking ceasefire for "revenge"?

Dil kehta hai 'yes'
Dimag kehta hai 'no'
Pakistan khud ko kehta hai 'pehle aukat dekh lein paijaan'

fact is, if something like that were to happen, there would be a lot of grandstanding and public speeches to garner their support. they'll either conduct a strike in balochistan, or will ramp up terror attacks in india.

 

[samsaptaka]

Not performing SEAD/DEAD is suicidal!!! Whoever made this call should be lynched. This is inviting needless losses to men and hardware!! No self-respecting country will let someone else's AF bomb its territory without consequences, whether the reasons are legit or not is a separate discussion.

Will do better next time does not cut it. The opportunity presented itself this time and should have been fully exploited. The world and Pak/China have seen what IAF is capable of and rest assured, measures will be taken to address the shortcomings. IAF will have to significantly up its game to pull something off to this degree on another occasion. Simply put, this is a chance that went begging!!

The more important Q is why did IAF boss agree to such a mission ? To prove that they can do better than 2019 ? Atleast he could have agreed but winked to his boys so that SEAD DEAD could be done without babus being informed and then when asked , blame it on the fog of war saying porkies fired loads of SAMs, what were we supposed to do, catch them like flies ? Looks like we have yes men at the top of IAF.

 

[concard]

Due to nearly 30 years of active American military, intelligence and bureaucratic presence in Pakistan ( war against Russians and then Al Qaeda ), generations of officers from both sides have created bonds that India cannot even imagine to match. And all those young guys are Generals and Secretaries now on both sides.

Whatever the American government might say or announce, the decision makers at all levels in US have a soft corner for Pakistan and will never let that slide.

Yes, India has gained rapport and respect with our growth and self reliance. But mostly it has antagonised the West, pushing them even closer to Pakistan. Nobody likes to see India move ahead and become self reliant.

Pakistan diplomacy is strongly entrenched in DC and even the military has phenomenal support from Americans. Which neither India’s resistance, nor Chinese influence has been able to shake. They even have solid network in media, educational institutes and banks in US.

Imagine US knowing everything about Pakistan - right from every single terror network operating from there, finding Osama, corruption of leaders and Generals, coups, human rights violations against minorities - and yet, never even going for a sanction against them. Never said anything, never did anything. Just ignored ! And this is the country that invaded Iraq on suspicion of WMDs.

We make these concessions and turn a blind eye only for our dearest friends.

Pakistanis may not have learnt to work hard, industrialise, educate themselves and build modern infrastructure, learn science and all that; but they’ve mastered the art of manipulation and seduction.

Pakistan might be a puny challenge in itself for present India’s military and economic might. But make no mistake - we fight Pakistan, we irk USA. No Obama, Biden or Trump can change that.

It’s not like we don’t have allies. But counting US amongst them would be a big mistake.

View: https://x.com/Manik_M_Jolly/status/1925807228025553054?t=YD51igMcinaL8H8MKDHpBg&s=19

Pakistan is America's bitch. Have you not seen this caricature

Pakistan protests at derogatory cartoon

WASHINGTON, May 6: The Pakistan Embassy in Washington has protested against a cartoon appearing in a section of the...

www.dawn.com

Everyone knows America's love for dogs. Yes, Americans have seen for a very long time that Pakis are willing to sell their mothers for few cents. Throw some money they will be your paid mercenaries, kneel before you, lick your boots and what not. No one, literally no one will want to totally severe ties with a hired dog. Their location also makes them attractive to Americans. They can get access to Iran, Afghanistan, and in case Russia weakens in future, then access to Central Asia. So it is out of the question they will ever totally abandon them. At the very least they will make sure they will have their head above water which they are already doing now with IMF approving bailout package. Don't let them die and don't let them live. Nothing much to see other than a big geopolitical game, not love for Pakis.

 

[Simon Riley]

Seems Unlikely as they will be retaliated heavily ..! And even if they do break ceasefire they will do it in a way that will not attract media attention with small arms etc. maybe.
Currently they are riding the train of how they were the victim of Indian aggression. Ceasefire violation won't go well with that narrative.
Simply put they don't have Balls to do so..!

The narrative on their side is that they have won the "war", so from a paki perspective if this goes unanswered by the military, it will start raising doubts, because if they have truly outclassed the enemy one time why not do it again by claiming a right to respond? This is either to tighten up screws in Balochistan and/or attack India.

 

[Selvam91]

>Bulk of Indian iPhone production is meant for export
>Apple sees India as a long term growth market for iPhone, US & EU is saturated, China sales are declining because of nationalism, India is the only large market remaining
>Tim Apple has provided the Orange Ape with enough bananas to prevent him chimping out at them except the usual verbal farting

He is threatening 25% tariff on apple.Our govt stopped operation against Pakistan because of this idiot's threat

View: https://x.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1925875510363516987

 

[Simon Riley]

Dil kehta hai 'yes'
Dimag kehta hai 'no'
Pakistan khud ko kehta hai 'pehle aukat dekh lein paijaan'

fact is, if something like that were to happen, there would be a lot of grandstanding and public speeches to garner their support. they'll either conduct a strike in balochistan, or will ramp up terror attacks in india.

I Think they might attempt something later this year after recovering, since the water issue still holds and jem must be hungry for some Indian blood.

 

[delta]

The narrative on their side is that they have won the "war", so from a paki perspective if this goes unanswered by the military, it will start raising doubts, because if they have truly outclassed the enemy one time why not do it again by claiming a right to respond? This is either to tighten up screws in Balochistan and/or attack India.

However, Pak awam is uncharacteristically quiet and not demonstrating on the streets (unlike after APS attack). i guess they either know this was all staged by pak army, or know that they don't have the balls to blame and attack india for it.

with the latter, their delusions of the 'victory' will quickly be eroded, hence they'd most likely choose to block that thought (as they always have) and pin the blame on BLA and look for an easy scapegoat.

 

[ezsasa]

Due to nearly 30 years of active American military, intelligence and bureaucratic presence in Pakistan ( war against Russians and then Al Qaeda ), generations of officers from both sides have created bonds that India cannot even imagine to match. And all those young guys are Generals and Secretaries now on both sides.

Whatever the American government might say or announce, the decision makers at all levels in US have a soft corner for Pakistan and will never let that slide.

Yes, India has gained rapport and respect with our growth and self reliance. But mostly it has antagonised the West, pushing them even closer to Pakistan. Nobody likes to see India move ahead and become self reliant.

Pakistan diplomacy is strongly entrenched in DC and even the military has phenomenal support from Americans. Which neither India’s resistance, nor Chinese influence has been able to shake. They even have solid network in media, educational institutes and banks in US.

Imagine US knowing everything about Pakistan - right from every single terror network operating from there, finding Osama, corruption of leaders and Generals, coups, human rights violations against minorities - and yet, never even going for a sanction against them. Never said anything, never did anything. Just ignored ! And this is the country that invaded Iraq on suspicion of WMDs.

We make these concessions and turn a blind eye only for our dearest friends.

Pakistanis may not have learnt to work hard, industrialise, educate themselves and build modern infrastructure, learn science and all that; but they’ve mastered the art of manipulation and seduction.

Pakistan might be a puny challenge in itself for present India’s military and economic might. But make no mistake - we fight Pakistan, we irk USA. No Obama, Biden or Trump can change that.

It’s not like we don’t have allies. But counting US amongst them would be a big mistake.

View: https://x.com/Manik_M_Jolly/status/1925807228025553054?t=YD51igMcinaL8H8MKDHpBg&s=19

was thinking about this the other day, this opinion expressed above is common among all Indians who watch this space.

one of the things that never happened, is that atleast in public discussions no Indian has ever put this question to any american knowledgeable about this topic, and let them explain their view. it's always some Indian or brown coolie, explaining India's stand to goras. how is it that our exfarts don't seek any explanations from goras on positions they hold !!!

some thing along the lines of "what is the hold that paki state has on murican state, that every time pakis are in trouble, they are bailed out?".

the line of questioning from our people is usually in the line of 'oh great white one, tell us, share us your infinite wisdom, are we doing the right thing?". the goras and their brown coolies always frame their responses, in a manner that the Indian interacting starts thinking defensive. same with brits as well.

this need not be an antagonistic interaction, but our people also need to learn to frame their questions in a better manner that elicits the info we need. minds need to be applied on how to get answers from gora/brown coolie apologists.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

View: https://x.com/arunpudur/status/1925897990151008701

 

[Ajatshatru]

View: https://x.com/arunpudur/status/1925897990151008701

I think it was a soft kill, which is why the missile landed intact. This is a significant achievement, as it will now be studied in detail to develop effective countermeasures. Chinese are likely furious with the Pakistanis over this blunder—their top-of-the-line air-to-air missiles is now in Indian hands.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

I think it was a soft kill, which is why the missile landed intact. This is a significant achievement, as it will now be studied in detail to develop effective countermeasures. Chinese are likely furious with the Pakistanis over this blunder—their top-of-the-line air-to-air missiles is now in Indian hands.

Pakistanis were complaining to the chinese that their weapons were shit and it costed them dearly.
chinese told them they were too stupid to use them the weapons worked just fine. Beggars can't be choosy.

 

[Ajatshatru]

Pakistanis were complaining to the chinese that their weapons were shit and it costed them dearly.
chinese told them they were too stupid to use them the weapons worked just fine. Beggars can't be choosy.

Chinese reverse-engineered an American Tomahawk missile that landed in Vietnam—now, ironically, their crown jewel, their best air-to-air missiles, has fallen into Indian hands. perfect opportunity to uncover its weaknesses and gain insights that could help make India’s own air-to-air missiles even more lethal.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Chinese reverse-engineered an American Tomahawk missile that landed in Vietnam—now, ironically, their crown jewel, their best air-to-air missiles, has fallen into Indian hands. perfect opportunity to uncover its weaknesses and gain insights that could help make India’s own air-to-air missiles even more lethal.

Tomwahawk was not an air to air missile. It was a cruise missile.

Indian equivalent of PL-15E would be Astra-3 (SFDR) anyway.

 

[Ajatshatru]

Afaik Indian equivalent should be astra mk2

Astra MK2 has a range of 160km, PL-15E - 145km, PL-15 (not for export) - 200km
Astra MK3 range - 340km

 

[username unkown]

Astra MK2 has a range of 160km, PL-15E - 145km, PL-15 (not for export) - 200km
Astra MK3 range - 340km

Pl 15 is dual pulse rocket same as astra mk 2
Astra mk 3 or gandiva is sfdr solid fuel ducted ramjet sometihing similar to meteor huge diff btw astra mk3 and pl 15

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Chinese reverse-engineered an American Tomahawk missile that landed in Vietnam

The tomahawk was from afghanistan ; one landed unexploded they got it sent it to
china to reverse engineer. Tomahawk is a cruise missile , PL-15E is a air -air missile.