Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[Brood Father]

Arey Hamar Bhai, kahe itna pagla rahe ho?? Chill maar thoda roz roz ek hi RR sun sun ke boriyat ho rahi hai. Loss hua toh hua, aur hote hain. Jo hame pakistan me hote hue dekha woh hamne kabhi nahi dekha pehle. So daru sharu pe aur Netfix par koi atchi series dekh. Baki professionals will handle you or anyone's RR will not give you information. Roz roz ka RR band kar bhai.

 

[snakeeyes07]

IAF is in a precarious situation. No IAF BVR missiles can get mid course updates from AEW&Cs or a UAV relay. This means they need to guided by the shooter itself or a buddy shooter, they will be under threat from PL-15 and PL-17 and may not be able to provide mid course updates throughout to ensure good PK. Where as PAF or PLAAF shooter can engage in truly fire and forget tactic, shooter fires BVR and then rely on AEW&Cs or UAV relay to guide the missile via Chinese datalink.

Only solution is to develop a local tactical data link system like Link16 or 17. To update ASTRA missile series to work with this datalink. Re platforms, update SU30MKI, MIG29UPG, LCA and our AEW&Cs with this datalink. Not sure if french platforms can be updated without huge OEM costs.

Till then, IAF will have to be defensive in air to air engagement and relying on SAMs like S400, MRSAM and Kusha (in future for area denial). Longer range air to surface standoff weapons like , Rudram 2 & 3 will provide deterrence against PLAAF and PAF (they are specially vulnerable to it).

 

[Prasad]

I wouldn't put a hope on that but will be happy if that happens. We need to strike them again and deep.

Like most mature democracies we audit the shit of everything.
Even if the govt desperately want's to hide something, the CAG will put everything in public.

Pretty sure you know of this fact as well.
Are you not?

 

[Sanglamorre]

Ok ..I may have been careless in looking for authenticity of the document but it won't change the situation
If today government says No Rafales lost .. I will believe my government over anyone else and that would give the credibility and weight behind it to counter all other "sources"
Even if we lie about it and stick to it will be OK but the pickle we are in is very special one where everyone but the GOI has its own theories and the most outlandish ones are seeing the light of the day

Okay.

You're ascribing to GoI something it is not known to do: hiding losses. Rafale is a big ass plane. Internet wasn't down at any point in India. India is teeming with people and their phones.

How do you propose GoI will even hide a possible aircraft wreckage within our own borders? In all past aircraft crashes during training, have you seen how public it is? How will they hide one suddenly?

GoI also hasn't said anything about a Kolkata class ship being sunk during OP Sindoor. Are you going to assume a ship was sunk?

Here's another thing. What difference does it make if a Rafale was indeed lost? Should it prompt an immediate change in security posture and cause GoI to go on a shopping spree? Should it cause GoI to not do air operations anymore? Would it immediately mark one jet as superior to another and therefore all air battles a foregone conclusion? This same applies for Pakistan btw.

Destruction of an asset wouldn't and shouldn't cause us to change our approach towards that asset. There is no...end game to this question. It's not like let's say a brand of car that keeps getting into braking accidents so need to be recalled. In that scenario, what even is the point of this question I don't get.

 

[Master of Indus]

View: https://youtu.be/5Y4t-RrMoWQ?si=3gJpjzkikoYneUam

Yeh video dekh aur bata wasn't it worth?? You might ignore the commentary.

Not posting pics and videos again of how we pounded pakistani airbases and ADS (we have all enjoyed them earlier)!!

 

[Numero]

Even this guy is making sense because of incompetence of Leaderji .. times we are living in

View: https://x.com/PravinSawhney/status/1930434066454827375

Y'all give them engagements. Crazy that you had to post his tweet here. He's a Chinese simp. He will side with any brownie word that suits his narrative, even if it's out of context or not.

 

[abdus salem killed]

. This is not looking good . If they have declared loses on day 1 everybody would have moved on by now and we would not be in this position where every tom dick and harry is coming up with theories .

Ask that to the Chinese or the pakis who never declare their dead or killed. Why should only we declare our losses I have seen no one on Twitter or dfi ever mention that pakis and Chinese never declare losses it took china 9 months to declare their deaths in galwan

 

[RaptorKiller]

IAF is in a precarious situation. No IAF BVR missiles can get mid course updates from AEW&Cs or a UAV relay. This means they need to guided by the shooter itself or a buddy shooter, they will be under threat from PL-15 and PL-17 and may not be able to provide mid course updates throughout to ensure good PK. Where as PAF or PLAAF shooter can engage in truly fire and forget tactic, shooter fires BVR and then rely on AEW&Cs or UAV relay to guide the missile via Chinese datalink.

Only solution is to develop a local tactical data link system like Link16 or 17. To update ASTRA missile series to work with this datalink. Re platforms, update SU30MKI, MIG29UPG, LCA and our AEW&Cs with this datalink. Not sure if french platforms can be updated without huge OEM costs.

Till then, IAF will have to be defensive in air to air engagement and relying on SAMs like S400, MRSAM and Kusha (in future for area denial). Longer range air to surface standoff weapons like , Rudram 2 & 3 will provide deterrence against PLAAF and PAF (they are specially vulnerable to it).

SAAB Erieye cannot guide Chinese AAMs, western datalink cannot be used to guide chinese missiles, this has already been discussed. PAF's chinese AWACS are already retired btw. I don't know about whether PLAAF AWACS are able to guide their AAMs or not, that is debatable.

 

[jaijaganath]

IAF is in a precarious situation. No IAF BVR missiles can get mid course updates from AEW&Cs or a UAV relay. This means they need to guided by the shooter itself or a buddy shooter, they will be under threat from PL-15 and PL-17 and may not be able to provide mid course updates throughout to ensure good PK. Where as PAF or PLAAF shooter can engage in truly fire and forget tactic, shooter fires BVR and then rely on AEW&Cs or UAV relay to guide the missile via Chinese datalink.

Only solution is to develop a local tactical data link system like Link16 or 17. To update ASTRA missile series to work with this datalink. Re platforms, update SU30MKI, MIG29UPG, LCA and our AEW&Cs with this datalink. Not sure if french platforms can be updated without huge OEM costs.

Till then, IAF will have to be defensive in air to air engagement and relying on SAMs like S400, MRSAM and Kusha (in future for area denial). Longer range air to surface standoff weapons like , Rudram 2 & 3 will provide deterrence against PLAAF and PAF (they are specially vulnerable to it).

U chinese or some not paki propaganda infested person

There is absolutely no way pakistani have common data link
Period
Especially to indians who are propagating it by reading some stupid reports
Link 16 and link 17 can never be interested connected
A basic system design engineer working in this field will tell you how that's possible without humongous work or cooperation btw america and China
And whatever missile hit our any sort of aircraft was SAM or AAM guided by aircraft itself


Coming to us why do everyone forget we have our own datalink for all our 3 services and they are interconnected too
Our all equipments are connected to their service specific datalink which is further interconnected that's why we make modifications on imported systems be it rafales mkis mirages netra il-76 infact p8i has few bel electronics are installed for operations with our datalink
We have the capability to communicate and guide missiles based on other platforms data

I won't write anything further on this u can use simple google search to get the info
Propagate whatever u want

 

[Tumba]

SAAB Erieye cannot guide Chinese AAMs, western datalink cannot be used to guide chinese missiles, this has already been discussed. PAF's chinese AWACS are already retired btw. I don't know about whether PLAAF AWACS are able to guide their AAMs or not, that is debatable.

Another fake news propaganda… due to restricted ROE IAF suffered few losses not because PAF is brilliant or has technical advantage…

IAF was simply trying to bomb terror camps while PAF was having prime time viewership.

Once IAF send across the payload PAF who was enjoying prime time view due to IAF’s self inflicted ROEs started throwing BVRs/SAMs and if you throw many in target rich environment its simply probability that eventually few odd will find targets.

This was the tactical mistake … of not taking care of the Sead/Dead and sanitising PAF before hitting terror camps.

Next time if IAF restricts itself then they have themselves to blame

 

[helin]

SAAB Erieye cannot guide Chinese AAMs, western datalink cannot be used to guide chinese missiles, this has already been discussed. PAF's chinese AWACS are already retired btw. I don't know about whether PLAAF AWACS are able to guide their AAMs or not, that is debatable.

 

[Tumba]

Ask that to the Chinese or the pakis who never declare their dead or killed. Why should only we declare our losses I have seen no one on Twitter or dfi ever mention that pakis and Chinese never declare losses it took china 9 months to declare their deaths in galwan

No need to waste time this guy is known congitard … he is just repeating what his anti Hindu/anti India leader raul vinci is saying

 

[Tumba]

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Brought out from retirement hanger to save SAAB
Which eventually got hit by

 

[Master of Indus]

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Thanks mate, please can you post before and after pics of Skardu airforce base bombed to hell, using your HD chinese satellites? Please give my thanks in advance for your commissar incharge of such activities!

 

[helin]

Thanks mate, please can you post before and after pics of Skardu airforce base bombed to hell, using your HD chinese satellites? Please give my thanks in advance for your commissar incharge of such activities!

Don't ask me. I haven't either

It needs to be bought with money

 

[Master of Indus]

Don't ask me. I haven't either

It needs to be bought with money

That's why I said ask your commissar for it, we are not freeloaders like your iron brother pakistanis! We (GOI) have them and will release these specific pics for Skardu, when the time is ripe, they will be released.

Your commissar or handler can share them so that we can have some more fun, the way we had while publishing the bombing of all other pakistani bases.

Note: Indian Osint have tried getting Skardu pics from various Sat companies, however they have denied siting cloud cover or some other excuse!

 

[Samaritan]

"Losses are not important, outcomes are"
The CDS is completely right here. Losses are not important, what matters is whether or not we achieved our strategic objectives. Which we did as a result of this operation. It doesn't matter how much Pakistanis try to deny it and paint a different picture about the whole conflict but they were humiliated left in every possible way we could and this time we showed clear irrefutable evidence. It is evident that we did face a few losses, but we learnt from our shortcomings and have taken the necessary steps to rectify those strategic mistakes to prevent them from happening again in the future.

Media management is not work of army. CDS must be straight and right , but they must have taken him out of context. Moreover all the world media is hell bent upon to show Great Indian Victory in poor light , so they all are after every thing twisted in their way.However , I think GOV should take note of this and should improve upon this in next game. I would again say it here , actually winning war is more important than media war.

If tomorrow INS Arihant and INS Arighat simultaneously empty their entire stockpile of SLBMs on every possible location (Major cities like Karachi, Lahore, Faisalabad, Islamabad) in Pakistan with the addition of several nuclear tipped Agni missiles joining the attack, it is no doubt that the entirety of Pakistan will be reduced to an unrecognizable heap of radioactive sludge. Out of those 241 million or more Pakistanis, there will be some, probably a few handful of them which will survive and come out of the ashes. And those handful who survive, all they need to do is build a makeshift shelter from scrap, somehow get a Laptop or phone along with cellular connection and no sooner they get that they will run to twitter or YouTube and write "The Tea is Fantastic", "Kuch nahi kar paye tum endia walo". That is how shameless they are, Besharam the aur rahenge. Even after getting humiliated and defeated by India in every war, getting half their country torn apart into two pieces, they are still not able to accept the reality that they can never defeat us and still shamelessly proclaim themselves as the victors of every conflict with India.

This is correct , but still GOV should have prolonged this for another day or two. The complete humiliation of PAK in front of world would have achieved much more peace for India , I do not know for what reason they immediately accepted ceasefire.

 

[chnvipgz]

Congress was worst when it came to punishing porkistanis and gayhadis.Congress is the reason we have sikular establishment of gandhian roe.


View: https://x.com/AbhishBanerj/status/1930493959153025165?t=liJSEOlk4gn608HvpnmpfQ&s=19

 

[The Juggernaut]

Congress was worst when it came to punishing porkistanis and gayhadis.Congress is the reason we have sikular establishment of gandhian roe.


View: https://x.com/AbhishBanerj/status/1930493959153025165?t=liJSEOlk4gn608HvpnmpfQ&s=19

Congress is de-facto Pakistani administration, Rahul Gandhi is spokesperson of Pakistan and supporting what Asim Muneer said. Congress had made India quasi - Sharia republic through legal route.

 

[snakeeyes07]

U chinese or some not paki propaganda infested person

There is absolutely no way pakistani have common data link
Period
Especially to indians who are propagating it by reading some stupid reports
Link 16 and link 17 can never be interested connected
A basic system design engineer working in this field will tell you how that's possible without humongous work or cooperation btw america and China
And whatever missile hit our any sort of aircraft was SAM or AAM guided by aircraft itself


Coming to us why do everyone forget we have our own datalink for all our 3 services and they are interconnected too
Our all equipments are connected to their service specific datalink which is further interconnected that's why we make modifications on imported systems be it rafales mkis mirages netra il-76 infact p8i has few bel electronics are installed for operations with our datalink
We have the capability to communicate and guide missiles based on other platforms data

I won't write anything further on this u can use simple google search to get the info
Propagate whatever u want

I agree we have datalinks that connect AEW&C to shooters like BNET-AR, etc. But the datalink for BVR missile guidance is only from shooters, our AEW&Cs do not have the ability to provide these updates directly to BVR missile. This is the capability gap vis-a-vis PLAAF and PAF now. For example, the ku band datalink for Astra mk1 is on the Astra launcher pylon itself. We have the ability for a buddy (different from actual shooter) to guide missiles but these are fighters too and unlike AEW&C or UAV relay (beaming updates from ground station) will be in the threat envelope of PL-15.

Why do you think we saw no wreckage of our AAMs in Pakistan, I think J-10 were zooming in and launching (lofting) PL-15s and then turning cold as they relied on AEW&C or an UAV relay to guide those missiles, thus denying us an opportunity to fire back. One thing I missed in my initial post, maybe integration of loyal wingman like Cats Warrior with Astra missile coupled with SU30MKI can complicate the situation for PAF and allow IAF to play to it's number advantage.

Source for the images: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...ed-iaf-rafale-loss-on-the-7th-may-2025.46150/