Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[darkflame]

I am sure the GCAP participants are really driven, but the goi has plans which are not known to foreign public.

So let's try and keep yourselves out of their plans and not impose your own timelines on the Bharatiya defence forum.

Which means underestimation is always comfortable for the underestimated.

I do not think GoI has a plan or had a plan even a short term one. most likely they don't care about nation's security, past governments used to take kick backs but at least made sure armed forces get at least the bare minimum to keep the country safe I don't see anything like that in Modi 's govt most of the stuff he does is just posturing to keep his image as a strong leader. In past 11 years he has just signed a single multirole fighter jet deal that too for only 36 rafale.More 36 could have been ordered just after delivery of initial deal completed but for some unknown reasons they didn't. No refulers and no awacs were odered despite dire need of em at last Iaf had to lease a tanker to make sure they don't loose know how of mid air refueling and pak now has more aewcs aircraft than us.
Ins Vikrant is sailing for past 3 years yet no deal for rafale m has taken place.
Navy is giving mlu to 40 year old types 209 subs so that they could extend its life to 50 years no navy operates such old submarines yet p75i hasnt been executed yet.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

I do not think GoI has a plan or had a plan even a short term one. most likely they don't care about nation's security, past governments used to take kick backs but at least made sure armed forces get at least the bare minimum to keep the country safe I don't see anything like that in Modi 's govt most of the stuff he does is just posturing to keep his image as a strong leader. In past 11 years he has just signed a single multirole fighter jet deal that too for only 36 rafale.More 36 could have been ordered just after delivery of initial deal completed but for some unknown reasons they didn't. No refulers and no awacs were odered despite dire need of em at last Iaf had to lease a tanker to make sure they don't loose know how of mid air refueling and pak now has more aewcs aircraft than us.
Ins Vikrant is sailing for past 3 years yet no deal for rafale m has taken place.
Navy is giving mlu to 40 year old types 209 subs so that they could extend its life to 50 years no navy operates such old submarines yet p75i hasnt been executed yet.

There is a plan to compensate for our cucked air force, govt is investing heavily in srbms and air defence

 

[midnight]

I do not think GoI has a plan or had a plan even a short term one. most likely they don't care about nation's security, past governments used to take kick backs but at least made sure armed forces get at least the bare minimum to keep the country safe I don't see anything like that in Modi 's govt most of the stuff he does is just posturing to keep his image as a strong leader. In past 11 years he has just signed a single multirole fighter jet deal that too for only 36 rafale.More 36 could have been ordered just after delivery of initial deal completed but for some unknown reasons they didn't. No refulers and no awacs were odered despite dire need of em at last Iaf had to lease a tanker to make sure they don't loose know how of mid air refueling and pak now has more aewcs aircraft than us.
Ins Vikrant is sailing for past 3 years yet no deal for rafale m has taken place.
Navy is giving mlu to 40 year old types 209 subs so that they could extend its life to 50 years no navy operates such old submarines yet p75i hasnt been executed yet.

I believe it's a very long term plan, yeah it's true that he's not signing fighter and submarine deals but on the other hand he has fast tracked the ssbn/ssn program, Tejas mk2, stealth ucavs, attack drone swarming soft and hardware, the hlft 42 (the Marut will become a supersonic fighter in its new iteration.) and has kept the mig 29k crew in mind.

where their training and routine hasn't become 2nd rate, where all the conversion pilots are busy in France and the squadrons are incomplete with out their senior expert pilots.

So this two aircraft naval problem becomes a very minuscule issue when the deal is signed at the right time of the formers' (mig 29k) life span.

And remember the stealth black hawk? We might have some thing similar hidden somewhere. So I am optimistic.

Think long term is all I can say about all this.

 

[darkflame]

the other hand he has fast tracked the ssbn/ssn program,

You are mistaken Modi has actually slowed down Ssn program navy wanted to get ccs clearance for p75 alpha back in 2020 but Modi didn't agreed he deemed the project to be too expensive, then navy chief talked to him himself but he didn't budged. https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/defence/story/20210426-india-s-nuclear-sharks-1791817-2021-04-17
Navy managed to get the project cleared in 2024 but for only two subs instead of 6 and at the cost of letting IAC 2 go.

And Ssbn project s5 yet to take off facility where they will be built is still under construction and at least is 2years away from commissioning.

 

[midnight]

You are mistaken Modi has actually slowed down Ssn program navy wanted to get ccs clearance for p75 alpha back in 2020 but Modi didn't agreed he deemed the project to be too expensive, then navy chief talked to him himself but he didn't budged. https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/defence/story/20210426-india-s-nuclear-sharks-1791817-2021-04-17
Navy managed to get the project cleared in 2024 but for only two subs instead of 6 and at the cost of letting IAC 2 go.

And Ssbn project s5 yet to take off facility where they will be built is still under construction and at least is 2years away from commissioning.

The follow on Project 75 A was fast tracked due to the docks being ready with the original P 75 scorpene submarines contract infrastructure. I believe the ssn program will be fast tracked soon.

IAC-2 I think will come with our own tedbf, I think that's why the goi is waiting and not letting anymore Rafale-m come our way.

The ssbn project is expected to be a minimum 5 year project only for the 1st sub to be commissioned. I might be wrong about the time taken though.

This topic is for the Navy section anyway.

 

[iNorthernerOn9]

You are mistaken Modi has actually slowed down Ssn program navy wanted to get ccs clearance for p75 alpha back in 2020 but Modi didn't agreed he deemed the project to be too expensive, then navy chief talked to him himself but he didn't budged. https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/defence/story/20210426-india-s-nuclear-sharks-1791817-2021-04-17
Navy managed to get the project cleared in 2024 but for only two subs instead of 6 and at the cost of letting IAC 2 go.

And Ssbn project s5 yet to take off facility where they will be built is still under construction and at least is 2years away from commissioning.

8 out of 10 defence contracts inked under this government has been for the sole purpose of creating news headlines... means they were much below required numbers. Whatever be the required numbers... do a token buy to create a news for chutiya janta.

 

[iNorthernerOn9]

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[midnight]

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F15 ex eagle 2 is a better choice now because Boeing won the 6th gen fighter contract and might share tech with the f15 like lockheed promised between the f21 and the f35.

It's idiotic to buy more Rafales and Boeing is already manufacturing in India, why complicate matters and start the setup for Dassault and waste more time?!

 

[TopWatcher]

lobbyliest will never allow India to create their own jet with engine.

They will divert govt money to foregn maal.

 

[midnight]

lobbyliest will never allow India to create their own jet with engine.

They will divert govt money to foregn maal.

I will say TEDBF - AF and IN, AMCA, AHCA, HJT 36 and HLFT 42 with made in India engines, ejection seats and avionics is my dream! Please understand we don't have a lot of time because our northern enemies aur going on to 5th gen albeit not at par with western tech but still ahead of the India Air force and India Naval aviation.

 

[TopWatcher]

I will say TEDBF - AF and IN, AMCA, AHCA, HJT 36 and HLFT 42 with made in India engines, ejection seats and avionics is my dream! Please understand we don't have a lot of time because our northern enemies aur going on to 5th gen albeit not at par with western tech but still ahead of the India Air force and India Naval aviation.

It's fine, I mean to say our general babus will never allow to have our aerospace ecosystem. Becoz they earn profit from deal. These money can go for our own jet but all get exhausted.

 

[karn]

Taja Taja khabar


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[narasimh]

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Should have been done along with rafale marines

 

[midnight]

Taja Taja khabar


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Joining FCAS as a 50% partner is the next choice.

 

[johny_baba]

I hope any big scale rafale deal happens with engine deal, don't want to see repeat of GE F404 like dramas here

 

[username unkown]

I hope any big scale rafale deal happens with engine deal, don't want to see repeat of GE F404 like dramas here

Absolutely agree if indian gov and ge make sure to establish proper supply of ge 404
And when we have good relation with France and we are giving big order of rafale we should negotiate like it and have had it with Indian mission computer , weapon package and radar and other avionics and ew suite
And I don't know if its possible but initial rafale prototype took first flight with ge 404 engine we use same in Tejas mk1a if MoD managed to get good supply line thease ge404 would be lot better than m88 and would help in logistics too and we could easily get assembly line for ge 404 and rafale

 

[johny_baba]

Absolutely agree if indian gov and ge make sure to establish proper supply of ge 404
And when we have good relation with France and we are giving big order of rafale we should negotiate like it and have had it with Indian mission computer , weapon package and radar and other avionics and ew suite
And I don't know if its possible but initial rafale prototype took first flight with ge 404 engine we use same in Tejas mk1a if MoD managed to get good supply line thease ge404 would be lot better than m88 and would help in logistics too and we could easily get assembly line for ge 404 and rafale

well Rafale prototype vs current gen Rafale F4/F5 and above are different things, i don't think investing into putting two F404s on Rafales in Indian service is a viable option for us, but perhaps we could put later iterations of M-88 on Rafales in future to boost its performance if it's possible and required, like let's say M-88-3

but for such a huge possible order it's necessary that we secure engine supply lines before anything else

 

[jaijaganath]

Netra MK2 ko dur se Vanakkam... gayi bhains pani mein... this nation is ripe for invasion.


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Ab koi ye mat bolna that source is idrw... any news of delays in IAF projects should be accepted as true bcoz the IAF will make it true... that's the destiny of this force and this nation.

Now anxiously waiting for news regarding further delays in Tejas MK2.

Bolenge hi
Netra mk2 first aircraft will fly with all sensors in 2026

And tbh iaf has no role even if it's delayed

 

[midnight]

Absolutely agree if indian gov and ge make sure to establish proper supply of ge 404
And when we have good relation with France and we are giving big order of rafale we should negotiate like it and have had it with Indian mission computer , weapon package and radar and other avionics and ew suite
And I don't know if its possible but initial rafale prototype took first flight with ge 404 engine we use same in Tejas mk1a if MoD managed to get good supply line thease ge404 would be lot better than m88 and would help in logistics too and we could easily get assembly line for ge 404 and rafale

I feel it's a waste of time and effort, why not wait for mk2 and TEDBF strategically for this country? I believe the IAF can hold off the neighbors till then.

We might have an engine transfer problem for the Tejas program (404 and 414) if we buy Rafales above american maal.

Rafale is the best choice but I don't want the Tejas and AMCA projects to slow down.

Can Safran jump in to make uprated engines for our projects on our timeline?

Can our industry make engines for our projects as they are claiming?

 

[midnight]

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