Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[Anupu]

Lol if for desire than why india nd USA have signed 10 year

https://www.business-standard.com/external-affairs-defence-security/news/india-us-to-deepen-defence-ties-with-new-10-year-cooperation-pact-125021401811_1.html

Again wale up nd smell the coffee

Strykers and javelins are mentioned by name in the joint declaration. I don’t see a single purchase happening of either.

When a concrete offer emerges we can discuss. The French have been reticent in sharing source codes for Rafales. I have serious doubts Americans will offer those to us. Would be love to proven wrong on this one.

 

[MarDePopins]

Where in these articles it is written they gave any official offer?

Lol yeah deal is finalized eh??

Wait for sometime u will see for yourself

When starts PAF operating J35 then u will see counter deployed by IAF nd GOI

 

[lexCommando]

we dont even need 5th gen jets tbh looking at the performance of indian radar tech and air defense systems we just need to invest more on better ground radars awacs kusha for defense and longer range standoff weapons for offense.. india is not israel or amreeka we dont need to cross half a continent to strike targets. imo virupaksha super sukhoi plus some additional rafales will be enough until 2030s when mk2 and amca drops

 

[redpanda]

Lol yeah deal is finalized eh??

Wait for sometime u will see for yourself

When starts PAF operating J35 then u will see counter deployed by IAF nd GOI

Sir you are great insider sir. You know when deal is finalised or not sir. Just bunch of articles doesn't proof deal is finalised.

 

[MarDePopins]

Strykers and javelins are mentioned by name in the joint declaration. I don’t see a single purchase happening of either.

As i hv stated already ur wish nd prediction means zilch to real world realpolitiks.

It's for IAF nd GOI to decide not u nd me..

Rest assured IAF will counter PAF J35 PURCHASE.

 

[MarDePopins]

Sir you are great insider sir. You know when deal is finalised or not sir. Just bunch of articles doesn't proof deal is finalised.

Lol ur crying won't prove either that IAF won't purchase any 5th gen fighters.

So keep calm nd watch the space in between

 

[redpanda]

Lol ur crying won't prove either that IAF won't purchase any 5th gen fighters.

So keep calm nd watch the space in between

Yeah it's upto IAF & GoI to decide but my question was how do you know deal is finalised? Why are you so confident deal is finalised? Why are you on euphoria that F-35 is coming? Are those articles anywhere state a deal is finalised?

 

[Anupu]

As i hv stated already ur wish nd prediction means zilch to real world realpolitiks.

It's for IAF nd GOI to decide not u nd me..

Rest assured IAF will counter PAF J35 PURCHASE.

IAF will counter J35 but not in the way you think. Pakistani geography means you can fuck them fifteen ways to Sunday. As for current F-35 offer where is it? Is it in the MRFA? I only consider what was on the table earlier which was buy F-16 and in future we may add you to JSF program exactly like every other country.

OK come and discuss this either as a hypothetical or when IAF issues an RFI on F-35 or US DSCA issues a notice to congress on potential sale. Yes it will go through US congress too.

 

[MarDePopins]

Where in these articles it is written they gave any official offer?

JD Vance or Trump saying something is not the same as official offer.

Lol do u know how US weapon sale works??

It's POTUS & VP the top two guys of US govt that has offered F35 not some random internet stranger lol.

Now it's an offer where IAF nd GOI will negotiate the deal on the merits nd demerits with US.

It will be a G2G DEAL.. nd if negotiations gets successful then USA will declare a DSCA notification which will divulge all the details of the contract.

 

[MarDePopins]

IAF will counter J35 but not in the way you think. Pakistani geography means you can fuck them fifteen ways to Sunday. As for current F-35 offer where is it? Is it in the MRFA? I only consider what was on the table earlier which was buy F-16 and in future we may add you to JSF program exactly like every other country.

OK come and discuss this either as a hypothetical or when IAF issues an RFI on F-35 or US DSCA issues a notice to congress on potential sale. Yes it will go through US congress too.

Wow even IAF doesn't hv this much confidence as u some random defence nerd..

Even IAF will know that u shall NVR underestimate the enemy specially when it's encountering the threat of both PLAAF & PAF with dwindling squadron strengths.

 

[redpanda]

Lol do u know how US weapon sale works??

It's POTUS & VP the top two guys of US govt that has offered F35 not some random internet stranger lol.

Now it's an offer where IAF nd GOI will negotiate the deal on the merits nd demerits with US.

It will be a G2G DEAL.. nd if negotiations gets successful then USA will declare a DSCA notification which will divulge all the details of the contract.

I very well know how the US weapon sale works that is why I'm saying that. A deal like this must go through the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) process, initiated by the State Department and approved by Congress. So far, there’s been no formal notification or agreement. India also hasn’t officially requested the F-35. Public statements or political intent by Trump & Vance doesn't replace the process at place. So far there have been nothing at that side.

Show me the source of your claim that negotiation are happening between both the government? You seem to be rather confident with your claim.

 

[MarDePopins]

I very well know how the US weapon sale works that is why I'm saying that. A deal like this must go through the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) process, initiated by the State Department and approved by Congress. So far, there’s been no formal notification or agreement. India also hasn’t officially requested the F-35. Public statements or political intent by Trump & Vance doesn't replace the process at place. So far there have been nothing at that side.

Show me the source of your claim that negotiation are happening between both the government? You seem to be rather confident with your claim

Lmao yeah so the top two guys of US govt offering F35 means zilch lol.. instead we shall believe a random naysayer on internet that f35 is not offered..

watch the space dude everything will be out in public soon.. USA has offered F35 now ball is in india's court..my prediction is after July we all will see the movement happening in this regard..
Rest assured..

 

[Ajatshatru]

Lol do u know how US weapon sale works??

It's POTUS & VP the top two guys of US govt that has offered F35 not some random internet stranger lol.

Now it's an offer where IAF nd GOI will negotiate the deal on the merits nd demerits with US.

It will be a G2G DEAL.. nd if negotiations gets successful then USA will declare a DSCA notification which will divulge all the details of the contract.

Answer to the depleting squadron strength is Tejas, not F-35.

 

[MarDePopins]

Answer to the depleting squadron strength is Tejas, not F-35.

Yeah i know but will tejas bring the 5th gen capabilities with it? Nd will it fight PAF 5th gen J35 nd PLAAF J20??

F35 or Su57 is meant for stopgap capabilities retention with ur adversary nd it won't be there to just fill up the nos

 

[Anupu]

Wow even IAF doesn't hv this much confidence as u some random defence nerd..

Even IAF will know that u shall NVR underestimate the enemy specially when it's encountering the threat of both PLAAF & PAF with dwindling squadron strengths.

They won’t ask you too buddy. They won’t ask any of us for our opinion. What do you even mean by that? Should we shut down this forum?

It’s a public defence forum no body forced you to come here if you are so offended by the opinions of random defence nerds?

 

[Decahex]

Yeah i know but will tejas bring the 5th gen capabilities with it? Nd will it fight PAF 5th gen J35 nd PLAAF J20??

F35 or Su57 is meant for stopgap capabilities retention with ur adversary nd it won't be there to just fill up the nos

F-35 isn't really on offer to us. Trump's words mean nothing. We will never buy it because we are not seriously considered as a customer for the F-35. A formal offer has never been made and likely won't be until the end of the decade when they start rolling out their own sixth generation fighters and many more fifth generation fighters would either be in the market or will be shortly.

As for the Su-57, the infamously import loving IAF itself openly criticized the project a decade ago. The Russians themselves operate approx 30-40 Su-57s with a third of them being established prototypes. They apparently ordered 78 of them but deliveries have been taking forever for the main customer itself, when do you think we'll get our deliveries if we order 3-4 squadrons tomorrow itself? The Su-57 definitely won't be a stop gap, it'll keep getting delivered right as AMCA is finishing the flight certifications in mid 2030s at the pace they are working on. Mind you, we will likely be immediately sanctioned and there's a possibility of French sales being heavily curtailed in the time it would take for the Su-57 to be delivered. Is the bird really worth all that strategic trouble?

If Pakistan acquires J-35 it would be a blow to us but that shouldn't make us act all hysterical and irrational. The MoD, DRDO, HAL and IAF should do their best to stick to the timeline and be willing to handhold projects into maturation instead of changing requirements mid-way through development and cause further delays.

 

[Anupu]

Yeah i know but will tejas bring the 5th gen capabilities with it? Nd will it fight PAF 5th gen J35 nd PLAAF J20??

F35 or Su57 is meant for stopgap capabilities retention with ur adversary nd it won't be there to just fill up the nos

I think this is the root of your anxiety “we need stealth fighters to counter stealth fighters” if that was the case then Iran wouldn’t even be a threat to israel they didn’t even have proper 4th gen fighters till recently.

Ask yourself can Pakistan have stealth airbases? Do J-35 have infrared stealth? What about radars with other frequencies? What about passive radars?

The bigger problem is you present your speculations as facts. Neither Trump nor JD Vance have ever said anything clearly about the nature of the F-35 that is being offered.

Forget about them if there was one statement from someone in US government about a potential “Israel-like” offer I would have considered it possibly concrete.

Again Inspite of all of this you can still say it is your opinion that they will make such an offer and we could discuss its hypothetical merits.

You have instead made this a point of your ego some how trying to show a “random defence nerd” a stranger on the internet superiority of your intellect. And that your opinions should be taken as fact in absence of evidence.

 

[silentassassin265]

F-35 isn't really on offer to us. Trump's words mean nothing. We will never buy it because we are not seriously considered as a customer for the F-35. A formal offer has never been made and likely won't be until the end of the decade when they start rolling out their own sixth generation fighters and many more fifth generation fighters would either be in the market or will be shortly.

As for the Su-57, the infamously import loving IAF itself openly criticized the project a decade ago. The Russians themselves operate approx 30-40 Su-57s with a third of them being established prototypes. They apparently ordered 78 of them but deliveries have been taking forever for the main customer itself, when do you think we'll get our deliveries if we order 3-4 squadrons tomorrow itself? The Su-57 definitely won't be a stop gap, it'll keep getting delivered right as AMCA is finishing the flight certifications in mid 2030s at the pace they are working on. Mind you, we will likely be immediately sanctioned and there's a possibility of French sales being heavily curtailed in the time it would take for the Su-57 to be delivered. Is the bird really worth all that strategic trouble?

If Pakistan acquires J-35 it would be a blow to us but that shouldn't make us act all hysterical and irrational. The MoD, DRDO, HAL and IAF should do their best to stick to the timeline and be willing to handhold projects into maturation instead of changing requirements mid-way through development and cause further delays.

Russia is currently prioritising ammunition instead of building jets.
We can manufacture su57 locally as they have offered us local production.
But I doubt we have any facilities left to produce it as we are producing 200mk1a

 

[shade2]

I think this is the root of your anxiety “we need stealth fighters to counter stealth fighters” if that was the case then Iran wouldn’t even be a threat to israel they didn’t even have proper 4th gen fighters till recently.

Ask yourself can Pakistan have stealth airbases? Do J-35 have infrared stealth? What about radars with other frequencies? What about passive radars?

The bigger problem is you present your speculations as facts. Neither Trump nor JD Vance have ever said anything clearly about the nature of the F-35 that is being offered.

Forget about them if there was one statement from someone in US government about a potential “Israel-like” offer I would have considered it possibly concrete.

Again Inspite of all of this you can still say it is your opinion that they will make such an offer and we could discuss its hypothetical merits.

You have instead made this a point of your ego some how trying to show a “random defence nerd” a stranger on the internet superiority of your intellect. And that your opinions should be taken as fact in absence of evidence.

Whole forum is slapping this alt-account tard yet he does the lowest IQ dalali of F-35
I guess that is why he isn't posting from his main vin_pahadi_kumaoni

From the official segments all you get is "It's not on offer for now" and "maybe we will look at it for the future" but this fool is already high on his ganja of "Israeli Adir F-35 for India"

Russia is currently prioritising ammunition instead of building jets.
We can manufacture su57 locally as they have offered us local production.
But I doubt we have any facilities left to produce it as we are producing 200mk1a

Assembly will be bottle-necked by the russian supply chain which on their end is being prioritized for immediate war time needs.

It's basically the same deal as Tejas dependent on gold-plated americunt engine with MTBO of over 900000 gorilllion hours, much better than Russian engine's MBTO of 3.50 hours which is why it was chosen a decade back without taking into consideration the unreliability of the supplier

 

[Decahex]

Russia is currently prioritising ammunition instead of building jets.
We can manufacture su57 locally as they have offered us local production.
But I doubt we have any facilities left to produce it as we are producing 200mk1a

The question isn't just about manufacturing. It's about development and it certainly isn't about current priorities. It was criticized a decade ago for being underpowered and the IAF which is a loyal and bulk customer of Sukhoi and Russian aviation itself has shown great skepticism to the endeavor. The Russians apparently finished testing it in early 2010s and wished to place a lot of orders around 2015 onwards, which did not materialize. It's the same question that was raised for us when we tried to export Tejas - if the country that developed the jet itself isn't buying, why would anyone else?

For all we know, if we panic buy the Su-57, we might end up handholding it to the performance we desire and the time it would take us to do this would be comparable to the time and money we have/will have to invest in AMCA, for which we have greater liberty due to it being indigenous design on top of indigenous manufacturing.