Chit Chat

[SKC]

Western valued GenZ's are not team players. It is becoming more and more apparent that the new ones coming out of unis are unfit for hard work.

The 70 hour work week is extreme but when you are 22-25 and are in your first job, you should be putting in 50+ hours. That's the only way you learn.
The first 2-3 years as a fresher is when you have lot of opportunities and leeway to learn a lot of things. It's simply foolish to waste those opportunities.
As you grow in years, companies want to earn off you, than to teach you. It then is your own effort to learn new things.

So, anyone getting into IT as fresher and not putting in 50+ hours a week for first 2 years, you are wasting golden and precious time.

GenZ liberals uni graduates are waste. They are absolute pain.

The GenZ has poor troubleshooting skills. Back then we could open anything and assemble them back. We could tinker around the settings in software's and find our solutions on our own with limited online help.

Nowadays with full detailed manuals, YouTube tutorials, these GenZ resources fails 8 out of 10 times to solve any issues.

You have to give them step by step commands to work on anything, if they see any change in the system not mentioned in the steps, they will pull up their hands and come back to us saying - "Sir yeh to out of syllabus ho gya kuch! aap hi batao aage!"​

 

[SKC]

one crore billing per day, i don't think so.
not regular oil jobs, specialised jobs.

That explain it all!

How many such job would be out there??

Compare total no employees in Oil companies with IT companies and then check the top1% earners in both!

 

[ezsasa]

Something we have discussed multiple times before, don't confuse TCS/Infy/HCL/Wipro with FAANG/MAANG!
Indian Big-4 are IT services providers and not the platform providers like Amazon/Apple/MS/Google/etc

Similar company in India would be Zoho Corp!​

move all this IT discussion to economy thread.

 

[Suryavanshi]

You have to give them step by step commands to work on anything, if they see any change in the system not mentioned in the steps, they will pull up their hands and come back to us saying - "Sir yeh to out of syllabus ho gya kuch! aap hi batao aage!"

While there is more material today there is also a lot of complexity in the tools we are using.

Java se 8 was release in 2013 before that java was very crude and framework weren't very complex.
Come 2009 Java script took to the mainstream and you had gazillion libraries out of nowhere. Demand shifted towards web services and it was a ever evolving field. By the time you become comfortable with one library three new version were released sometimes not even facilitating backward integration. IT as a whole became too complex after 2010.

It services weren't just about facilitating data warehousing and transactions, it expanded into precision analysis and data driven approach to boost sales.

IT itself created demand for its own IT services requirement which inturn depends upon other IT services and so on.

Dependency hell literally.

CRUDE things became complex

For parallel I will say we went from building spitfiers ww2 jet to building f22 in just a span of 2 decades.

 

[SKC]

While there is more material today there is also a lot of complexity in the tools we are using.

Java se 8 was release in 2013 before that java was very crude and framework weren't very complex.
Come 2009 Java script took to the mainstream and you had gazillion libraries out of nowhere. Demand shifted towards web services and it was a ever evolving field. By the time you become comfortable with one library three new version were released sometimes not even facilitating backward integration. IT as a whole became too complex after 2010.

It services weren't just about facilitating data warehousing and transactions, it expanded into precision analysis and data driven approach to boost sales.

IT itself created demand for its own IT services requirement which inturn depends upon other IT services and so on.

Dependency hell literally.

CRUDE things became complex

For parallel I will say we went from building spitfiers ww2 jet to building f22 in just a span of 2 decades.

Yes, that is true.

But I am not referring to this. Your regular stuff, setting up your system, adding VDI, printers, etc. on your laptop/desktop/thin client etc.

Though you have new versions of Java, .Net, php available a lot of code still uses ages old frameworks and versions. With time we are upgrading to new platform but for that also, you need to investigate the existing application code.

New guys have trouble checking the existing code and understand the logic too. Have to schedule calls with them to find out what is happening in code.​

 

[shade2]

Yes, that is true.

But I am not referring to this. Your regular stuff, setting up your system, adding VDI, printers, etc. on your laptop/desktop/thin client etc.

Though you have new versions of Java, .Net, php available a lot of code still uses ages old frameworks and versions. With time we are upgrading to new platform but for that also, you need to investigate the existing application code.

New guys have trouble checking the existing code and understand the logic too. Have to schedule calls with them to find out what is happening in code.​

The GenZ has poor troubleshooting skills. Back then we could open anything and assemble them back. We could tinker around the settings in software's and find our solutions on our own with limited online help.

Nowadays with full detailed manuals, YouTube tutorials, these GenZ resources fails 8 out of 10 times to solve any issues.

You have to give them step by step commands to work on anything, if they see any change in the system not mentioned in the steps, they will pull up their hands and come back to us saying - "Sir yeh to out of syllabus ho gya kuch! aap hi batao aage!"​

How did such dhakkans get hired?
I was the senior of a certain guy who used to call me everytime something out of syllabus happened, so i had to spoonfeed him the fixes everytime.
Later i realized he is just lazy and not stupid so i used to avoid his calls and ignore his messages.
Then he started fixing most of the issues in his tasks himself

 

[SKC]

How did such dhakkans get hired?
I was the senior of a certain guy who used to call me everytime something out of syllabus happened, so i had to spoonfeed him the fixes everytime.
Later i realized he is just lazy and not stupid so i used to avoid his calls and ignore his messages.
Then he started fixing most of the issues in his tasks himself

During covid, one could get hired if they have just mentioned the technology name in their CV. Few in my friend circles got new job like this: they got call from recruiter:
Recruiter: Hey! do you know Java
Friend: yes
Recruiter: Which versions?
Friend: Mar Java, Mit Java, Lut Java, Main Sadke Java!
Recruiter: Hired! salary kitni loge?​

 

[Suryavanshi]

How did such dhakkans get hired?
I was the senior of a certain guy who used to call me everytime something out of syllabus happened, so i had to spoonfeed him the fixes everytime.
Later i realized he is just lazy and not stupid so i used to avoid his calls and ignore his messages.
Then he started fixing most of the issues in his tasks himself

Gen z walas are foocking stupid in their own way.

Short attention span, procrastination and riled with self pity and self misery.

These niggaz are in a perpetual cycle of self loath all thanks to cheap internet.

When they go to the interwebz they are bombarded with wreath gap, gender war, global warming, ww3 and evey other this and that crisis.

What is the result? They feel and existential doom. Endless scrolling after a 9 hours shift 2hr commute and 1 hr lunch breaks sap away any enthusiasm and they can do nothing but doom scrolling on the quick dopamine interwebz.


70 hrs work week? Motherfufing capitalist trying to exploit me
They don't think that "yeah I am a Mechanical graduate that got recruited in IT due to mass drive. I only know how to test for paldindrome number, now the company has to spend time and resource on me to train me"
"Maybe I should try to put up with it and acquire skills and move to better company that offers better work life balance"

If the companies are reposible for 30% of the issue than the individual is itself responsible for 70% of it.

 

[notaname]

Yes, that is true.

But I am not referring to this. Your regular stuff, setting up your system, adding VDI, printers, etc. on your laptop/desktop/thin client etc.

Though you have new versions of Java, .Net, php available a lot of code still uses ages old frameworks and versions. With time we are upgrading to new platform but for that also, you need to investigate the existing application code.

New guys have trouble checking the existing code and understand the logic too. Have to schedule calls with them to find out what is happening in code.​

How did such dhakkans get hired?
I was the senior of a certain guy who used to call me everytime something out of syllabus happened, so i had to spoonfeed him the fixes everytime.
Later i realized he is just lazy and not stupid so i used to avoid his calls and ignore his messages.
Then he started fixing most of the issues in his tasks himself

You don't tell about those genz one's I have trained some of them and handheld them, my god those were the shit days, they couldn't even find the button from UI to change the colour if the button was in loop. Even if you give them the specific component.

After that day I straight refused to train any of them.

 

[trombone]

Well, this tells one thing:

How spoiled is the IT industry in India compared to all other sectors. We actually earn really well compared to the work we do, and others do in different sectors.
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Nothing beats merchant navy for pay.
Knew a guy who started on deck, ended sailing career as Capt having visited atleast once every port there is on this big planet of ours and now settled down in Marseilles with one of em big Shipping cos on a top land job. First world life with a fat bank balance and having globe trotted when young. Thats what's good life is all about!

 

[SKC]

Nothing beats merchant navy for pay.
Knew a guy who started on deck, ended sailing career as Capt having visited atleast once every port there is on this big planet of ours and now settled down in Marseilles with one of em big Shipping cos on a top land job. First world life with a fat bank balance and having globe trotted when young. Thats what's good life is all about!

There can be argument regarding if that's a good life. Being away from home for 7-8 month a year. Spending long time in isolation traversing oceans. It looks cool initially but start wearing you down with time.
I checked the pay online and could find that average salary after 10 yr is INR 1.64 lakh per month which is decent. However, for Captain the salaries can reach Rs 20 lakh a month!
But again, how many chose to remain in the job after years and reach upto the role of Captain.​

 

[trombone]

There can be argument regarding if that's a good life. Being away from home for 7-8 month a year. Spending long time in isolation traversing oceans. It looks cool initially but start wearing you down with time.
I checked the pay online and could find that average salary after 10 yr is INR 1.64 lakh per month which is decent. However, for Captain the salaries can reach Rs 20 lakh a month!
But again, how many chose to remain in the job after years and reach upto the role of Captain.​

Since the salary earned while sailing is tax-free and career growth is rapid for the deserved (clear promotion exams) a sailing career is attractive for people with the right mindset.

 

[Satish Sharma Ji]

I am aware of this thing. The difference is negligible in most cases.

Unless you aren't doing high end task like gaming animation. For coders or similar stuff it doesn't matter that much.

 

[sameer]

View: https://x.com/venom1s/status/1846499555124113636

 

[SKC]

Marital alliance happened between Selecus' hot daughter and Chandragupt after the latter slapped his to-be Sasurji in the one war where the Maurya empire expanded over what is now Afghanistan.
Chandragupt got his hot daughter and his territory.
Selecus got 400 elephants or some shit, big deal.

There was one nibba called Megasthenes who toured most of Bharat, he couldn't believe there was another civilization that was equal-equal to or even exceeding the Greek one, so he huffed on some copium that one of their wine-premi gods came here and taught Indians civilization, also believed one of the gods here was Hercules .

TLDR is these tribes were racist af and so we were back in the day, but both were ancient civilizations equal-equal to us.


What we have now is Gora doing WE WUZ KANGZ with his construct of "Western Civilization" and inferiority complex pajeet Elites after being under foreign heel for 1k years believe as gospel truth.

There were exchange of Gods between Greeko-Roman and Hindu Pantheon!

one of the Majot Hindu Devta celebrated around the country is actually an import from Greek Pantheon. Discussion on this topic is borderline blasphemy in current times.​

 

[bong]

There were exchange of Gods between Greeko-Roman and Hindu Pantheon!

one of the Majot Hindu Devta celebrated around the country is actually an import from Greek Pantheon. Discussion on this topic is borderline blasphemy in current times.​

Who is that imported devta though?

 

[SKC]

Who is that imported devta though?

Let's not go there!

 

[Illusive]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9H45wmBlf0

This is just crazy industrial accident in S Korea.

 

[Anonymous Bharata]

Let's not go there!

Which god?

As far as I know all of our gods in the pantheon are attested in Vedas themselves, so whatever this story of imported Greek god is just another cooked up story by distortions

 

[SKC]

Which god?

As far as I know all of our gods in the pantheon are attested in Vedas themselves, so whatever this story of imported Greek god is just another cooked up story by distortions

Not everything is cooked up stories made up by distorians or goras!

I am not going to stretch this debate further!​