Indian Special Forces

[hkdas]

See the major himself said that he was part of 31 RR during that operation.

**It was not a Special Forces squad

"Others are there as SuPPoRt roles"

Just watch this video after of 31 RR from around that time only


View: https://youtu.be/slP3lvaZBk0?feature=shared

It is an active team that did the operation. Only one guy (their JCO) was from a SF unit. Rest all of them came from JaK li, JaK rif etc

So it was not a PARA SF operation

Man, what you are saying makes things more serious.
So 31 RR which is a commando unit of RR who are supposed to be from para SF regiment (according to man who created it) went into a hostage rescue with only it's CO is para who took infantry soldiers without thinking if they capable of doing the hostage rescue operation or not, conducted room intervention, then withdraw without completing it, waited for 1 hours for change of heart of terrorists...
Para CO did all these when NSG is available just few km away. WTF!!?? How serious is that 31RR CO who is from para SF!!?? (according to major, he and his team were from para SF, but for your satisfaction let's assume only CO was from para SF).

 

[hkdas]

They did all they can to save the kid. More you look into it the more Sus the family gets. Its my impression that the family expected them to be the "respectful freedom fighter fighting evil kafirs" and found out the bad way who they really are nutjobs high on drugs.

I know they did all they can,
Problem is the lack of training and professionalism of para SF who are supposed to be Army's special forces unit.
Without good training para cannot do anything in hostage rescue.
Being deployed in Kashmir for more than 3 decades para SF didn't thought about the importance of good training in hostage rescue operation.

 

[username unkown]

Yeah, typical Fanboy reaction when they don't have any explanation to justify failures of their holly cow para SF.

FANBOYS:- OPERATION WAS SOO DIFFICULT AND COMPLICATED

OTHERS:- WHY!!??

FANBOYS:- TERRORISTS WERE HOLDING GUNS, THEY FIRED AT PARA SF AT SIGHT.

Mr Fanboy, i said "even SSG" that means I consider SSG as lowest in SF skill set benchmark.

Btw, talking civilians capturing SF soldiers, you forgot about recent naga insident where naga tribe killed one 21 para SF soldier and took the whole unit hostage till army reach there!!??

EGO issue for me!? No man, I am pissed off at para sf's incompetence.
A 8 year old kid died because of para sf's lack of professionalism.
NSG who are deployed in Srinagar would have done a far better job in saving the kid.

Its definitely ego issues
Why didn't soldiers risked thier lives to save hardcore ogw family and duh offcourse army have to pay ogw by freebies and house even after attempting to save them thrice
I am fanboy if you go through my old msgs here or in telegram you will see how much i have spoken against them in past but now I am just tired of complaining
But you seems to be on to something keep yapping its my last msg to you i won't waste my time or internet

 

[hkdas]

Its definitely ego issues
Why didn't soldiers risked thier lives to save hardcore ogw family and duh offcourse army have to pay ogw by freebies and house even after attempting to save them thrice
I am fanboy if you go through my old msgs here or in telegram you will see how much i have spoken against them in past but now I am just tired of complaining
But you seems to be on to something keep yapping its my last msg to you i won't waste my time or internet

If soldiers don't consider it as important to rescue the kid or family, why the Fu*k they go there!!?
Why don't they call SOG or NSG if army feels it's not important!!??

 

[Jedi Operator]

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already the enemy is targetting SF guys on particular and making a game out of it, now you have these fellow paratroopers donning the maroon beret and standing out like figure 11 targets. I am still hoping it's not a pic from an encounter

 

[Jedi Operator]

Mixed contingent

every year it's mixed contingent only, I remember Major Sushant talking about it, him and another fellow were from 1, some came from 10 also

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

I think the more important question here is that why is your main “Special Force” not competent enough to do a hostage rescue mission?

Because of

Lack of funding
Lack of exposure
Lack of clarity of role.

I will say it again that this is not the job of Para SF with the funding they get.

American Green Berets maybe doing it but that is Amreeka where even the SWAT is better equipped than our NSG.

Our troops dont have equipment as we are poor.

Hence, to expect them to pull off something for which they are not even raised is demanding too much.

Ofcourse Para SF would think they can do anything because of their Macho attitude but these kind of ops shouldnt be assinged to them.

Whats stopping NSG from deploying 100 troops there or JkP raising a dedicated unit?

 

[Jedi Operator]

Mostly because the Para today was modelled on Spetznaz. Their main proficiency is to hunt then in mountain hideouts or assault holdouts etc. Hostage rescue is not their primary forte.

hain ? No they were never modelled on Spetznaz. Hostage Rescue is one of their roles, and let's admit they are'nt good enough for it now. CT was all started by Paras here in India, be it any SCTU of SG or NSG.

The real problem has to do with everything Para SF has administrativley going on. I mentioned earlier how some squads within 9 got the experience to train with SEALs and develop a field manual for themselves, why was that knowledge not passed to other units ?

Why was it not in the curriculum of SFTS, Nahan (now it's in Bakloh) Aree you guys talk about standardization of equipment. Bloody the probation is not standardized, the SOPs are not standardized...every battalion acts as it's own unit.

That might resemble Spetznaz but we did not model ourselves on them. We suffer this because of our own faults. Our guys did brilliant hostage rescue op in Sierra Leone, soemthing that matched international standards. But that was a jungle environment and much of the op was rural or jungle.

When it comes to demolition raids, jungle warfare, mountain warfare, desert warfare and psuedo ops, Para SF leads the way but when it comes to room clearance, MOUT, basic urban operations, hostage rescue in urban scenarios and much of modern special forces warfare.....we see Para SF taking a back seat and it's soley because of this

 

[vampyrbladez]

MARCOS

 

[Airborne22]

already the enemy is targetting SF guys on particular and making a game out of it, now you have these fellow paratroopers donning the maroon beret and standing out like figure 11 targets. I am still hoping it's not a pic from an encounter

Para TA unit

 

[armyofhind]

Yeah, typical Fanboy reaction when they don't have any explanation to justify failures of their holly cow para SF.

FANBOYS:- OPERATION WAS SOO DIFFICULT AND COMPLICATED

OTHERS:- WHY!!??

FANBOYS:- TERRORISTS WERE HOLDING GUNS, THEY FIRED AT PARA SF AT SIGHT.

Calm down.

Read the whole context of the situation first.
This is not some regular "family".

They were giving shelter to the yahoos for quite some time before they turned on them and took them hostage.

Why should a RR team put their men at unnecessary risk for an OGW family? How does that make sense?

 

[lexCommando]

Garud SF operator

 

[Airborne22]

Does someone know in depth about the 2016 incident where five terrorists were holed up in a house and about 10 Rashtriya Rifles soldiers had gone for search but caught inside the house ?
They were rescued by 4 para sf where even 4 para took a fatal casualty but managed to free all the hostages and kill all the terrorists ? This came to mind after the recent e-lafda over here

 

[IWIarad11]

Does someone know in depth about the 2016 incident where five terrorists were holed up in a house and about 10 Rashtriya Rifles soldiers had gone for search but caught inside the house ?
They were rescued by 4 para sf where even 4 para took a fatal casualty but managed to free all the hostages and kill all the terrorists ? This came to mind after the recent e-lafda over here

But how can incompetent *para sf* do room intervention saaaarrrrrrr

 

[username unkown]

But how can incompetent *para sf* do room intervention saaaarrrrrrr

Para sf don't have confidence saar
para sf didn't save ogw kid saar
para sf incompetent saar

 

[Jedi Operator]

Does someone know in depth about the 2016 incident where five terrorists were holed up in a house and about 10 Rashtriya Rifles soldiers had gone for search but caught inside the house ?
They were rescued by 4 para sf where even 4 para took a fatal casualty but managed to free all the hostages and kill all the terrorists ? This came to mind after the recent e-lafda over here

took two fatal casualties and yes I went back to see that interview in the morning after reading today's messages. Major Arjun was a part of it....ultimatley they did room intervention in day only, also RR also deserves some credit for being experienced soilders with their weapons and not civilians who were being held hostages. Also he says it could've turned into a hsotage situation but it did not exactly, it was quite close to. In any case Major Arjun said this was the toughest operation he was a part of and exactly because it was coming down to hostage scenario/room intervention scenario. So yes

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

took two fatal casualties and yes I went back to see that interview in the morning after reading today's messages. Major Arjun was a part of it....ultimatley they did room intervention in day only, also RR also deserves some credit for being experienced soilders with their weapons and not civilians who were being held hostages. Also he says it could've turned into a hsotage situation but it did not exactly, it was quite close to. In any case Major Arjun said this was the toughest operation he was a part of and exactly because it was coming down to hostage scenario/room intervention scenario. So yes

Is this the same incident in which a CO DSP and Major were trapped inside a house and killed?

 

[Airborne22]

took two fatal casualties and yes I went back to see that interview in the morning after reading today's messages. Major Arjun was a part of it....ultimatley they did room intervention in day only, also RR also deserves some credit for being experienced soilders with their weapons and not civilians who were being held hostages. Also he says it could've turned into a hsotage situation but it did not exactly, it was quite close to. In any case Major Arjun said this was the toughest operation he was a part of and exactly because it was coming down to hostage scenario/room intervention scenario. So yes

I asked for details dawg so that I could ask some higher up guy for the exact details not the intricate breakdown (appreciate it though)

Is this the same incident in which a CO DSP and Major were trapped inside a house and killed?

That was 2020 Handwara

 

[Screambowl]

Such incidents are seriously discouraging me for upcoming ssb attempts and makes me want to focus on clearing management exams.

If I was you, I would use this anger to clear the SSB exam. This anger would have helped me successfully clear the probation in special forces. Only to show those haramzada terrorists who kill kids and molest women that I am their maut!

 

[Noob]

MARCOS

E- Lafda chalta rahega Marcos Drip shouldn't stop no matter what