AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft

[Bhartiya Sainik]

F35 Case -> 2-3 Squardons (36-54 jets) for ~5 Bn

We can't integrate
BRAHM0S NG
Rudram 1/2/3
Astra 1/2/3
Saaw bombs
Gaurav bombs

So separate 2-3 Bn for Aim 160 , Aim 9x , jassm missile , ARM missile & SDB etc.

SO in toto 7-8 Bn for becoming a puppet in americucks hand

If we get even a single glitch/hardware trouble in Radar , sensor & Engine then F35 will be grounded for months and will only see sky after we paying some Billions

Inshort its Saar we want to drop bombs on porkistan saar....pls alow us saaar...we ukraine of Asia saar....


Su 57 case -> We rejected it 8 years ago....Import lobby who is always ready to import substandard shit were unhappy with su57....How bad su57 should have been to get rejected by Import lobby


Imo we should cancel TEDBF and go with Naval AMCA.

IAF might induct ~200 AMCA (reported by ANI)
IN wants 145 Jets for 3 carriers

So in TOTO 345 (AMCA + Naval AMCA) this will bring down unit cost and we can have production rate of ~36 Jets/year

AMCA will come before TEDBF

AMCA 1,600 GaN TRM radar is superior to f35 radar

AMCA F414 and future JV 110-120 Kn engine will be superior than ruski engines on su 57 "in terms of technology and overall MRO in service life"

Naval AMCA is capable of carrying 4 x Sea breaker antiship missile in its IWB Which IMO is world class payload for STOBAR Aircraft carriers

BDL signed deal to produce sea breaker In india

IMO AMCA IWB & sea breaker are made for each other

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In recent aeroindia ADA officials said PAYLOAD of AMCA IWB is 1,600 Kg....so 4 x Sea breaker antiship missile in IWB are perfect fit.....

no way current 4.5 gen TEDBF getting edge of j35 in 2035-2040....so go with Naval AMCA

You can even carry 2 x Rudram 3 or Brahm0s NG under wings (Externally)

Some news channels & media outlets are speculating that USA intentionally delayed F414 engines to stall AMCA & consider F-35 (downgraded, puppeted). As a side-effect the MWF & TEDBF will also get impacted.
After IN indicating 5gen TEDBF, anything can happen unles IN gives more details on its intentions. TEDBF's current version can get cancelled, heavily modified to 5gen or could be produced as LSP till 5gen TEDBF is available.
Bcoz our RAM & RAS R&D might have started in 2000s, so TEDBF could have been ATEDBF or NAMCA could have been designed. The existence of AMCA, F-35 & J-35 with identical airframe design, size, weight are also proof of concept. Not only 10s of 1000s of technical college students, but even the non-techies can understand this.

 

[Blademaster]

F-35B with Meteor.
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Not a F35B but a F35A.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Not a F35B but a F35A.

 

[Blademaster]

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Ok my bad. I see the fan exhaust cover. Definitely a F35B.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

A collage of AMCA's CAD 2D front view projections from various artists, in different resolutions, some resized.
If anybody has more 2D front views, diagram, sketch, etc, please share.

 

[Kattar]

Overheard conversation between two birdies on current state of AMCA

# Detailed design of AMCA is almost complete
# Engineers from Three letter listed company which is part of Four Letter Conglomerate are deployed on contract for detailed design / engineering
# But Manufacturing drawings are very much overdue and all related tasks are on "Hold" as "Work-share" contract between ADA and HAL is pending and yet to be formalized

 

[Anants]

Overheard conversation between two birdies on current state of AMCA
# Engineers from Three letter listed company which is part of Four Letter Conglomerate are deployed on contract for detailed design / engineering

TASTATA

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

TASTATA

What is TASTATA?

 

[Anants]

What is TASTATA?

Sandhi viched karo

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Overheard conversation between two birdies on current state of AMCA

# Detailed design of AMCA is almost complete
# Engineers from Three letter listed company which is part of Four Letter Conglomerate are deployed on contract for detailed design / engineering
# But Manufacturing drawings are very much overdue and all related tasks are on "Hold" as "Work-share" contract between ADA and HAL is pending and yet to be formalized

They released some CAD earlier, not very good resolution. They should give update on it.

 

[Azaad]

Overheard conversation between two birdies on current state of AMCA

# Detailed design of AMCA is almost complete
# Engineers from Three letter listed company which is part of Four Letter Conglomerate are deployed on contract for detailed design / engineering
# But Manufacturing drawings are very much overdue and all related tasks are on "Hold" as "Work-share" contract between ADA and HAL is pending and yet to be formalized

MoD will sit on the proposal & then IAF will go to town abusing HAL. That's how the story is supposed to pan out . I thought we saw these shenanigans during the UPA rule which is the reason the BJP was voted to power.

 

[Spitfire IX]

I notice various reports of countries being interested in buying the 5G- KF-21 (Philippines, Saudi Arabia), 5G KAAN (Azerbaijan, Pakistan. UAE) but no reports of any countries being interested in 5G AMCA. Why do no countries appear to be interested in AMCA? Is it simply because it is still being designed (at least the production version, I gather) and will not be available to export customers for a long, long time?

On another forum, talking about the report of US blocking a Gripen E sale to Colombia, one of their posters maintained that the GE F414 was an extremely advanced engine. I wonder if the US would allow India to export Tejas Mk2, AMCA Mk1.

I cannot guarantee factual accuracy but if I can get the poster's permission, I will post what he said about the F414 engine..

 

[Azaad]

I notice various reports of countries being interested in buying the 5G- KF-21 (Philippines, Saudi Arabia), 5G KAAN (Azerbaijan, Pakistan. UAE) but no reports of any countries being interested in 5G AMCA. Why do no countries appear to be interested in AMCA? Is it simply because it is still being designed (at least the production version, I gather) and will not be available to export customers for a long, long time?

Both of these prototypes are flying irrespective their claimed abilities. Ours is still on the drawing board. Countries tend to be more curious once they've something tangible to consider.

On another forum, talking about the report of US blocking a Gripen E sale to Colombia, one of their posters maintained that the GE F414 was an extremely advanced engine. I wonder if the US would allow India to export Tejas Mk2, AMCA Mk1.

I cannot guarantee factual accuracy but if I can get the poster's permission, I will post what he said about the F414 engine..

At the moment our concerns are restricted to getting those damn prototypes to fly & be certified , followed by quick production to meet our own needs. I can assure you any Indian on this forum or anywhere else thinking of exporting these Fighter Aircrafts as of today hasn't got his priorities right . They're putting the proverbial cart before the horse.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

I notice various reports of countries being interested in buying the 5G- KF-21 (Philippines, Saudi Arabia), 5G KAAN (Azerbaijan, Pakistan. UAE) but no reports of any countries being interested in 5G AMCA. Why do no countries appear to be interested in AMCA? Is it simply because it is still being designed (at least the production version, I gather) and will not be available to export customers for a long, long time?

On another forum, talking about the report of US blocking a Gripen E sale to Colombia, one of their posters maintained that the GE F414 was an extremely advanced engine. I wonder if the US would allow India to export Tejas Mk2, AMCA Mk1.

I cannot guarantee factual accuracy but if I can get the poster's permission, I will post what he said about the F414 engine..

S. Korea being Western ally is getting support for KF-21 by other Western friendly nations from cultural or business PoV.
Turkey being Islamic nation is getting support for Kaan by other Islamic nations.

We dont take sides in wars, prefer non-allignment.
We have diplomacy with many nations but we'll never have any ally, culturally or militarily, at least in this century, & having a nation potentially good in R&D &/or industrially trustworthy, for a 5gen jet's colaboration or purchase is tough to find currently. They all will also have to say NO to USA's F-35, Russia's Su-57, Su-75, China's J-31/35.
Now which S.American, African, Asian nations can do that?

 

[shade2]

Both of these prototypes are flying irrespective their claimed abilities. Ours is still on the drawing board. Countries tend to be more curious once they've something tangible to consider.

At the moment our concerns are restricted to getting those damn prototypes to fly & be certified , followed by quick production to meet our own needs. I can assure you any Indian on this forum or anywhere else thinking of exporting these Fighter Aircrafts as of today hasn't got his priorities right . They're putting the proverbial cart before the horse.

S. Korea being Western ally is getting support for KF-21 by other Western friendly nations from cultural or business PoV.
Turkey being Islamic nation is getting support for Kaan by other Islamic nations.

We dont take sides in wars, prefer non-allignment.
We have diplomacy with many nations but we'll never have any ally, culturally or militarily, at least in this century, & having a nation potentially good in R&D &/or industrially trustworthy, for a 5gen jet's colaboration or purchase is tough to find currently. They all will also have to say NO to USA's F-35, Russia's Su-57, Su-75, China's J-31/35.
Now which S.American, African, Asian nations can do that?

Ye sab arguments ko chod ke there's one more factor

Both countries want someone else to heft the development kharcha apart from themselves, so you can imagine lots of salesman-giri is done of the KAANa and KF-21

Koreans already "scored" Indonesia as a partner, but later they found out Indonesia isn't forking out the $$$ and stealing the tech so now looking for another partner.

Turkans now hovering around Saudiyaa, Malaysia is too middle class and Pakistan is kangaal af so...

It's basically the same scam Ruskals pulled on us with Su-57/FGFA

I mean it's not as if our Govt is some Ambani with wealth and Daan-veer Karan in terms of allocating generous budget but this is another element, we for now are not looking for some else to fund our 5th gen development

 

[Ultraman]

Overheard conversation between two birdies on current state of AMCA

# Detailed design of AMCA is almost complete
# Engineers from Three letter listed company which is part of Four Letter Conglomerate are deployed on contract for detailed design / engineering
# But Manufacturing drawings are very much overdue and all related tasks are on "Hold" as "Work-share" contract between ADA and HAL is pending and yet to be formalized

"# Detailed design of AMCA is almost complete"

remember reading that design was complete last year

 

[shade2]

"# Detailed design of AMCA is almost complete"

remember reading that design was complete last year

Doesn't matter, by the time AMCA takes first flight the Chings and Americans will have 7th gen AI fighter jet drones firing lasers.

As i've said in other threads, it's a science project, like Tejas or MWF doesn't have any real world takers.

 

[Azaad]

View: https://twitter.com/kishanchand_89/status/1893215383047295205?s=19

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Ye sab arguments ko chod ke there's one more factor

Both countries want someone else to heft the development kharcha apart from themselves, so you can imagine lots of salesman-giri is done of the KAANa and KF-21

Koreans already "scored" Indonesia as a partner, but later they found out Indonesia isn't forking out the $$$ and stealing the tech so now looking for another partner.

Turkans now hovering around Saudiyaa, Malaysia is too middle class and Pakistan is kangaal af so...

It's basically the same scam Ruskals pulled on us with Su-57/FGFA

I mean it's not as if our Govt is some Ambani with wealth and Daan-veer Karan in terms of allocating generous budget but this is another element, we for now are not looking for some else to fund our 5th gen development

IDK if our GoI/DoD would be looking for export version of AMCA. But whatever be the reasons - funding, facilities, supply chain, ignorance & over-optimism with threats, etc, all those affect in a pipeline, so it becomes a collective success, failure or delay.
IMO, when we boast of our brains globally, have surplus natural & human resources, improved education since decades now, then we should be ahead of small nations like Turkey, S.Korea & even European ones. But today also we are not initiating few things for all 3 armed-forces wings which we should. With some products good R&D is happening, but with other certain types of products we don't see the gap narrowing with global tech level. But it can happen now going forward if major reforms occur.

 

[shade2]

IDK if our GoI/DoD would be looking for export version of AMCA. But whatever be the reasons - funding, facilities, supply chain, ignorance & over-optimism with threats, etc, all those affect in a pipeline, so it becomes a collective success, failure or delay.
IMO, when we boast of our brains globally, have surplus natural & human resources, improved education since decades now, then we should be ahead of small nations like Turkey, S.Korea & even European ones. But today also we are not initiating few things for all 3 armed-forces wings which we should. With some products good R&D is happening, but with other certain types of products we don't see the gap narrowing with global tech level. But it can happen now going forward if major reforms occur.

Better just export any subsystems of the AMCA or provide tech consultancy to countries wanting to build stealth fighters.

A flying prototype of AMCA should be built and flown, and nice videos must be made about this so as to generate interests in foreign markets.

IAF won't buy AMCA, they are set on F-35 now, so there is no point attempting to build a whole ass fighter that even the parent airforce won't buy, and if they don't it makes foreign sales even more difficult

Which is why subsystem exports + tech consultancy for stealth fighter development.

Alternatively this project can be cancelled, any IP, designs, documents and sub system prototypes can be sold to private sector.