AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft

abingdonboy said:
Weaker/stronger is all relative as these things cross commercial interests and into strategic relations

Since Modi came to power the shift has been clear and France and India have started to talk about the relationship in strategic terms

Rafale (IAF)
Rafale (IN)
Additional P-75

All point to this as they were done via GTG not the standard long winded open tender route. The only other country that has enjoyed such benefits with India in the past is Russia but largely (post S400) these deals have slowed between India and Russia which implies a strategic shift is taking place which the Indian side I guess hopes will see benefits both on the civil (nuclear) and defence side (engines and SSN tech)

I’ll throw in

SCA
AMCA FTB
NETRA MK.2
MMMA/LRMPA

All will be based on French (Airbus) platforms involving heavy OEM assistance

India seems to have made a choice and will expect reciprocal benefits, the 5th gen engine was always Safran’s to lose but GE/RR were kept in the fray as somewhat of a contingency but also to provide cover to avoid potential political fallout by only engaging 1 partner; similar to the MRCBF process. It never made sense the F18 was going to be picked but they couldn’t just sign the deal for the Rafale-M especially not after the uproar that was created after the IAF’s Rafale deal

@BON PLAN


+ as for the F414- it’ll be signed this year but apparently GE are demanding even more upfront $$$ and this is further cementing the fact the Americans cannot play the game with India
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I think we all have to improve the tie between India and France.
For exemple by purchasing (at least as a stop gap solution) indian SEAD missile for exemple (to fit on Rafale).
same about rocket artillery systems.

India is for us a perfect partner, once we don't take into account the huge bureaucraty....
 
Spitfire IX said:
AMCA Mk1 with F414 engine
AMCA Mk2 with new 110kN engine

I guess that with the 110kN engine will not be certified for at least another 10-15 years. I imagine there may be a lot of changes to the Mk2 design.
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Bcoz EU nations are proceeding well with their FCAS & GCAP, means with their engines too, so an engine produced in JV with any of them should progress rapidly.
With time, the materials, computers, tools, techniques improve, so the time should reduce.
 
BON PLAN said:
I think we all have to improve the tie between India and France.
For exemple by purchasing (at least as a stop gap solution) indian SEAD missile for exemple (to fit on Rafale).
same about rocket artillery systems.

India is for us a perfect partner, once we don't take into account the huge bureaucraty....
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If both sides see the opportunity in front of them there are almost no limits, I’ve said for a long long time that India and France are perfect strategic partners for each other and have more in common than differences strategically speaking

It would be a good idea for France to make the relationship more mutual but I’m not convinced it will especially how dependent it is on NATO interoperability

+ as for bureaucracy you’d be surprised how quickly things can move if they are moved up to PMO level, again it’s up to both sides to make the relationship strategic. The PMO ability to fund projects is only going to explode as time goes by
 
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