AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft

[Migflug]

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This is probably an RCS measurement model and not an actual prototype. But forward movement nonetheless !!

 

[vampyrbladez]

The model may not have it but EOTS is getting developed - as confirmed by SriRam/SouravJha in his latest podcast

https://alphadefense.in/index.php/2024/10/03/amcas-electro-optical-targeting-system-eots/

 

[TopWatcher]

Actually we need our own company like GE which can develop and manufacture aeroengines. I think govt shld support one such startups and help them to mature to giant company.

 

[Azaad]

That Scale model still gives the HAL Chair vibes.

DKS the drunkard shoving himself in between Rajnath Singh & the other gentleman to get his ugly mug photographed. That's the biggest high light of the evening .

 

[ArjunMK1A]

DKS the drunkard shoving himself in between Rajnath Singh & the other gentleman to get his ugly mug photographed. That's the biggest high light of the evening .

I will not trust any KA politicians near any stalls. Most probably will steal and sell it outside.

 

[FalconSlayers]

https://alphadefense.in/index.php/2024/10/03/amcas-electro-optical-targeting-system-eots/

Maybe for "Mk2" AMCA.

 

[high_IQ_bharatiya_sainik]

Out of context: Our Virupaksha 2400 TR GaN deserves a Stealth platform to derive maximum utility out of it.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

https://alphadefense.in/index.php/2024/10/03/amcas-electro-optical-targeting-system-eots/

It is fixed, so it is DAS, not EOTS.

 

[randombully]

It is fixed, so it is DAS, not EOTS.

So amca will DAS on its body for 360° coverage, also IRST( will also fulfill FLIR role for IR terrain mapping), but laser designator is still left out,
Does it has integrated laser designator? Or will have to carry external pods for that?

 

[randombully]

Out of context: Our Virupaksha 2400 TR GaN deserves a Stealth platform to derive maximum utility out of it.

Too big to fit on amca.
And you can get max utility with sufficient Power provided to it.

 

[Pundit Pikachu]

It is fixed, so it is DAS, not EOTS.

About That

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Post in thread 'AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft'

Oct 2, 2024

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1841126779425264041
possible AMCA EOTS from a company called Optics and Allied Engineering Pvt. Ltd. (according to Alpha Defence these guys were most probably T2 in the DcPP tender)

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[Bhartiya Sainik]

So amca will DAS on its body for 360° coverage, also IRST( will also fulfill FLIR role for IR terrain mapping), but laser designator is still left out,
Does it has integrated laser designator? Or will have to carry external pods for that?

I'm not DoD, IDK what our DoD will do & in what timeline.
But every 5gen jet needs high resolution EO-DAS which perform role of MAWS, ground object ID & track.
EOTS has gimbal for LD (Laser Designator), that's how it targets.
F-35's EOTS also performs IRTS, its aperture sweeps in azimuth just like Russian IRSTs, clearly seen in videos.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

About That

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Post in thread 'AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft'

Oct 2, 2024

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1841126779425264041
possible AMCA EOTS from a company called Optics and Allied Engineering Pvt. Ltd. (according to Alpha Defence these guys were most probably T2 in the DcPP tender)

• Pundit Pikachu

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So ADA/IAF needs to clear if this firm "Optica" is making EOTS for AMCA or not.

 

[randombully]

I'm not DoD, IDK what our DoD will do & in what timeline.
But every 5gen jet needs high resolution EO-DAS which perform role of MAWS, ground object ID & track.
EOTS has gimbal for LD (Laser Designator), that's how it targets.
F-35's EOTS also performs IRTS, its aperture sweeps in azimuth just like Russian IRSTs, clearly seen in videos.
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But we're not going f35 route.
We going mix russian-35 route.
Where we have irst on amca like su57, the irst should also do the role of flir.

As for the crystal eots like dome of amca, it seems more like a DAS, and we do seem to be going for 360° coverage with Das also on spine if amca.

So with that Said laser designator seems left out, which shouldn't be because it's not hard to integrate it.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

But we're not going f35 route.
We going mix russian-35 route.
Where we have irst on amca like su57, the irst should also do the role of flir.

As for the crystal eots like dome of amca, it seems more like a DAS, and we do seem to be going for 360° coverage with Das also on spine if amca.

So with that Said laser designator seems left out, which shouldn't be because it's not hard to integrate it.

I never tell to follow countries - USA, Russia, EU, etc. Follow technology no matter who does it 1st.
A future jet, manned or unmanned, need true RF+EO spherical coverage with zero blind spots. And multi-role capability has become a usual thing.

Some ground radars are rotating to give 360 degree coverage, some are fixed with 3-4 antennas.
Same thing with EO-DAS/IRST principle.
FLIR, DLIR, LDP were dedicated H/w components. Now they have become functions fused into same H/w.
DAS sensors are fixed, can perform FLIR/DLIR/ULIR/RLIR/LLIR/BLIR + IRST + MAWS.
EOTS components are on gimbal, can perform FLIR/DLIR/RLIR/LLIR/BLIR + LDP + IRST.
Su-35/57 & MiG-35 IRSTs have big blind spots in lower hemisphere at higher altitudes due to nose if their forward-lower DAS don't perform IRST role also. Otherwise ok.
Similarly F-35's EOTS cannot sweep upper hemisphere at lower altitudes due to nose, so its fixed forward-upper DAS must do it.

Not deviating but, Kaan will have EOTS + stealthy upper IRST + DAS + LWR + stealthy DIRCM.


J-20 might upgrade with DIRCM.
A complete J-35 with all these components can roll out any time.
K-21 future models might catch up.
So AMCA cannot afford to lag behind.

 

[Ayan Barat]

Everyone is asking where is EOTS on the AMCA

But no-one is asking what is the need for loitering over an enemy airspace to keep shining a laser so that your munitions can land accurately in 2030. You've far superior IIR, GNSS and mmW guided stand-off and fire-n-forget munitions. And even in SAL munitions, most of time they're guided by forward observer and not the launch platform itself.

 

[vicky]

AMCA (Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft) Compilation

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Specifications

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Radar

Armament

Propulsion

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Someone please update wikipedia page of AMCA with latest photos and information

 

[randombully]

Everyone is asking where is EOTS on the AMCA

But no-one is asking what is the need for loitering over an enemy airspace to keep shining a laser so that your munitions can land accurately in 2030. You've far superior IIR, GNSS and mmW guided stand-off and fire-n-forget munitions. And even in SAL munitions, most of time they're guided by forward observer and not the launch platform itself.

High jamming environment, gps/navic spoofing

 

[redpanda]

Compare with the Chinos who started WS-10 development in mid-90s.

Tbh for them too their first proper engine took them like 30-40 years to develop. WS-10 was their 2nd or 3rd attempt. Their first attempt was WP-5 which was copy of Russian Klimov RD-500 in 1950s. Their 2nd attempt were engine based on RD-9 and R-13 in the 60s-70s. Meanwhile Kaveri is literally India's first attempt at developing a turbofan jet engine. We started too late that is our problem.

 

[Ayan Barat]

High jamming environment, gps/navic spoofing

Y-code, frequency hopping, redundant INS...you've multiple ways of dealing with GPS jamming-spoofing instead of staying above an airspace for an extended period, that too close to the target to illuminate it.

Don't take it from me; just look at the trend in PGMs during the last 5 years and also the next 5.
You'll see how more and more of the larger munitions are ditching SAL for things like IIR. SAL is now predominantly used only in smaller munitions like ATGMs, SDBs and UAV-dropped bombs...basically for things designated as LVTs.