Chit Chat

[londonparistokyo]

You've made some pretty strange conclusions here.

Non-AC trains have always been more about affordability for the masses. It's a basic price differentiation strategy and has always been a business decision with very little do with caste or class.

We're still a $3k GDP per capita economy, In the foreseeable future and in the next few decades, all trains will eventually become AC as India gets richer and the prices of manufacturing AC coaches comes down.

I've seen this affordability thing thrown around but haven't seen raw numbers. What is the price to operate an AC train that runs on electricity vs a non-AC train that also runs on electricity? And again, since this was missed, I am telling you about the perception of India in the West.

 

[londonparistokyo]

They tried replacing non AC coaches with AC coaches on LHBfied trains (because it made business sense; IR makes good money out of AC coaches). The result was for us all to see. They have started adding non AC coaches since. And it is not possible to subsidize AC coaches (to make it 'affordable' for the poorest) given IR's finances. We can, however, provide affordable short distance commutes with AC coaches and that is what the Ministry is aiming to do.

Ignore bad faith arguments.

I'd prefer to ignore people with poor reading comprehension, poor intellect, and poor reasoning abilities than "bad faith arguments". In fact, I'd argue that somebody that qualifies with the above three is operating in worse faith than anybody else.

Edit: By the way, since you are pushing me and starting to irritate me, the hygiene standards on even the most expensive AC train in India are extremely poor. I literally saw poop floating in a toilet on a Vande Bharat. The flush was broken.

 

[crazywithmath]

In fact, I'd argue that somebody that qualifies with the above three is operating in worse faith than anybody else.

Again,

 

[londonparistokyo]

I've struck a nerve with an insolent person. Not hard to do for a sub-50 IQ person!

 

[crazywithmath]

I've struck a nerve with an insolent person. Not hard to do for a sub-50 IQ person!

Oh, no! I have been called a sub 50 IQ person by user @londonparistokyo (he/she is obsessed with IQ anyway)! What do I do, now?

I think I will blame da joos!

EDIT: @mods move this post to chit chat thread, if needed.

 

[Vishnugupt]

If you think abstractly, it will make sense. But I'll make it make sense to you:

AC is what's expected in the US no matter what background you come from. If you're taking a train, whether it's a subway, Amtrak (which is ~ Vande Bharat), local train, whatever, the basic expectation is it will be AC. In India, the perception here is that "low caste" people are treated differently than "high caste" people. It doesn't matter that there's poor "low caste" and poor "high caste", and rich "high caste" and rich "low caste." The perception here is that everybody poor is low caste. The basic expectation we have is that everybody will get AC. For India to make AC a class thing simply perpetuates this idea that your birth determines your social status

This is your perception which is you are generalising.

People say....

"AC me Badha admi baithta hai"
"Hawaijahaj me badha admi jata hai"
"5 Star hotel me bada aadmi khana khata hai"

None of us ever heard only Brahman and Thakur travel in AC, fly in Jets and eat in 5 star hotels.

5 Star hotels and Mall refuse to give entry if you are not dressed western clothes. Never heard they denied entry on caste.

There is Zero evidence of caste based discrimination but still you manage to show us caste discrimination in Railway class.

America is a rich country they can easily afford AC in trains. We are still catching up.

Why you chose AC as parameter to show caste discrimination india, why not Lamborghini, Farari cars or jets or Yacht as a criteria of discrimination??

 

[Vishnugupt]

I'd prefer to ignore people with poor reading comprehension, poor intellect, and poor reasoning abilities than "bad faith arguments". In fact, I'd argue that somebody that qualifies with the above three is operating in worse faith than anybody else.

Edit: By the way, since you are pushing me and starting to irritate me, the hygiene standards on even the most expensive AC train in India are extremely poor. I literally saw poop floating in a toilet on a Vande Bharat. The flush was broken.

You are a shallow person who is quick to give isolated incident to prove your futile point.

What were you expecting in the commod?? Rasmalai?? Gulab jamun??

Instead of accepting your mistake you are asking others to introspect??

Accept you made false equivalent of castism in Indian railways class system. We all know we have caste issues here so What new things are you telling us?

 

[Vishnugupt]

yet when you beg for technology or complain that the white man is responsible for 100% of the issues despite our glorious past,

Hahaha.... Tell me which Hindu blamed your master for our failure?? We are not mullah or C#**mar. We do not blame others for our failure. We do introspect for our failure rather than playing victim card.

Neither India is not begging for technology. If we ask for technology in exchange money or market access.

You have proved my point. You are just a brown Sipoy who only good abusing india and it's culture.

 

[SKC]

@Vishnugupt @londonparistokyo @crazywithmath - pls continue here.
If you have any debate which goes beyond scope of any thread, then take that debate to Chit Chat thread.

 

[Ayan Barat]

If you have any debate which goes beyond scope of any thread, then take that debate to Chit Chat thread.

Okay then, I'll go first

Why the heck it's called Noida when it should be called Nokhlaida!?
Think about it

 

[SKC]

Okay then, I'll go first

Why the heck it's called Noida when it should be called Nokhlaida!?
Think about it

Its a simple acronym for New Ohkla Industrial Development Authority.

With time Noida became a word in itself, not sure if they still consider it as an acronym or a word(noun).​

 

[Vinod Patter]

I come from a very conservative Hindu background. I never understood H men simping for Goris. I'll be disowned by my family if I decide to ever marry a Gori.

I'll never understand some of these insecure Indians who simp for degenerate Whiteys.

Yes, it's true that a section of Indian girls are themselves becoming degenerate but it's nowhere close to what the manosphere will have you believe. Things might be different in some spots like Delhi etc but the overhwhelming majority of girls from Middle class Hindu families are still much much chaster than your average degenerate gori.

You will have children's connected to their roots if you marry an Indian Girl and culture of your family will remain intact. I find mixed breeds disconnected from Indian values and ethos. So it's better for you to choose your life partner wisely.

 

[Anants]

Its a simple acronym for New Ohkla Industrial Development Authority.

With time Noida became a word in itself, not sure if they still consider it as an acronym or a word(noun).​

Well NOIDA is more about Commercial and Housing: so its should NOCHDA .. Oh Cheelan Wangu Nochda

 

[Ayan Barat]

Its a simple acronym for New Ohkla Industrial Development Authority.

With time Noida became a word in itself, not sure if they still consider it as an acronym or a word(noun).​

It's New Old Kanal Housing and Land Authority Industrial Development Authority and nothing else

Btw, you fell for my classic Noida shitpost. Next time be prepared for the Aqua Line one

 

[SKC]

It's New Old Kanal Housing and Land Authority Industrial Development Authority and nothing else

Btw, you fell for my classic Noida shitpost. Next time be prepared for the Aqua Line one

It is not consecutive acronym or add on acronym. Okhla is acronym but Noida uses it as Noun.

 

[RocketMan]

You are genuinely an embarrassing person. I feel ashamed sharing the same ethnicity as you.

Based on number of fentanyl deaths I can paint the entirety of US as a nation infested with a druggie caste ? How's that for a take ?

 

[londonparistokyo]

Based on number of fentanyl deaths I can paint the entirety of US as a nation infested with a druggie caste ? How's that for a take ?

This is also completely irrelevant and straw man argument. There's no logic here.

 

[londonparistokyo]

Hahaha.... Tell me which Hindu blamed your master for our failure?? We are not mullah or C#**mar. We do not blame others for our failure. We do introspect for our failure rather than playing victim card.

Neither India is not begging for technology. If we ask for technology in exchange money or market access.

You have proved my point. You are just a brown Sipoy who only good abusing india and it's culture.

I haven't proven anything. India begged Japan for Shinkansen before turning it down. India is begging Safran and now Saturn for "ToT" for a jet engine. India begs for ToT. Indians believe that infrastructure is only roads. But there's literally trash everywhere you look. Even our temples are littered with trash (I have pictures to prove this, but if you have eyes you shouldn't need me to tell you). Our holy rivers completely polluted. You talk to Indians about this, "oh yes. We need to change our mentality. But the government needs to do something too!" As if? Is it so hard to have one field somewhere where people can put their trash? It's a blame game. Indians are perpetual victims.

I'm no "sipoy". I was just thankfully given the capacity to think critically.

BTW: If you have an ability to think, you'll notice I haven't made any personal slurs or slanders against you. This is exactly why people in the West think so little of us. I'm merely giving cultural criticisms and you are taking it personally. If you truly introspected, you wouldn't be slandering my name by calling me a "sipoy".

 

[londonparistokyo]

This is your perception which is you are generalising.

People say....

"AC me Badha admi baithta hai"
"Hawaijahaj me badha admi jata hai"
"5 Star hotel me bada aadmi khana khata hai"

None of us ever heard only Brahman and Thakur travel in AC, fly in Jets and eat in 5 star hotels.

5 Star hotels and Mall refuse to give entry if you are not dressed western clothes. Never heard they denied entry on caste.

There is Zero evidence of caste based discrimination but still you manage to show us caste discrimination in Railway class.

America is a rich country they can easily afford AC in trains. We are still catching up.

Why you chose AC as parameter to show caste discrimination india, why not Lamborghini, Farari cars or jets or Yacht as a criteria of discrimination??

Omfg. I seriously think you don't understand how to think. I am talking about PERCEPTION. I understand that "ground reality" recently is different. But the perception here is NOT what you think. And sure, India is "catching up", but it's "catching up" with different classes for different economic backgrounds. Do you not see this? 5-star hotels and mall are entirely irrelevant and literally don't matter in this discussion.

 

[londonparistokyo]

You are a shallow person who is quick to give isolated incident to prove your futile point.

What were you expecting in the commod?? Rasmalai?? Gulab jamun??

Instead of accepting your mistake you are asking others to introspect??

Accept you made false equivalent of castism in Indian railways class system. We all know we have caste issues here so What new things are you telling us?

Genuinely embarrassing.