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So if we remove the word terrorist attacks, this would be surgical strikes by paki special forces right ? Then you realize that this is an act of war, then the military has to "act" not just inside but take this up several notches.

So basically pakis are having a field day cause we are in a perpetual diffuse the situation cause we arent ready state or some other BS. We mogged pakis at our worst conditions in 65 and 71 but somehow we have lost the plot somewhere and in this time and refuse to believe we are at war.
 
Illusive said:
So if we remove the word terrorist attacks, this would be surgical strikes by paki special forces right ? Then you realize that this is an act of war, then the military has to "act" not just inside but take this up several notches.

So basically pakis are having a field day cause we are in a perpetual diffuse the situation cause we arent ready state or some other BS. We mogged pakis at our worst conditions in 65 and 71 but somehow we have lost the plot somewhere and in this time and refuse to believe we are at war.
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if our national security doctrine lowers the threshold of definition of war to include infiltration, then India is always at war, which is what paki security establishment wants i.e hyphenation with India. in their view military conflict with India allows them to force GoI to negotiating table .then the question arises, why should India give what pakis want?

let's look at pakiland's own response on their western borders when dealing with infiltrations and terror attacks, they carried out multiple military operations over decades but never called it a war on it's western neighbours. considering paki security establishment is far less constrained by their civilian leadership, than in India. so even paki threshold of definition of war is not infiltration.

in essence, pakis continue to exploit a weakness in global security architecture on how to deal with cross border terrorism.

but yes, what exactly triggered this current wave is a question for now.

-upcoming J&K elections
-them getting banged on their western border
-US busy with their elections
-assisting their chini friends by trying to divert our attention
-or as usual, sustaining their jihadi network.

could be anything.
 
ezsasa said:
mate, i think we had a conversation at DFI too. just take a breather and spend some time understanding various elements of our national security configuration, instead of coming to bizarre conclusions.

there are many members who are willing to help you understand, provided you show interest and ask the right questions. they will not waste their time countering every bizarre assumptions and conclusions, that gets thrown around.
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Bizzare conclusion?we are down on fighter jet squadrons are we not? We need 42 and we are at 32 IAF is not in its best state is it?and I thought he was talking about strike across LC but he was talking about striking inside our own territory which is more ridiculous.
Edit-no we never had this conversation in DFI as you banned me without any warnings.
 
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Illusive said:
So if we remove the word terrorist attacks, this would be surgical strikes by paki special forces right ? Then you realize that this is an act of war, then the military has to "act" not just inside but take this up several notches.

So basically pakis are having a field day cause we are in a perpetual diffuse the situation cause we arent ready state or some other BS. We mogged pakis at our worst conditions in 65 and 71 but somehow we have lost the plot somewhere and in this time and refuse to believe we are at war.
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Since the ceasefire agreement with pak and post buildup at LAC there is a clear lack of vision & strategy from both Govt & Army. In reality army struggling to fill the gaps facing the 2 front threats & decision to heat up the LoC is not priority of the govt. Peace will not prevail unless the terror factory inoccupied J&K are completely destroyed. Courage is the most valuable and characteristics absent in our ruling elites presently
 
ezsasa said:
if our national security doctrine lowers the threshold of definition of war to include infiltration, then India is always at war, which is what paki security establishment wants i.e hyphenation with India. in their view military conflict with India allows them to force GoI to negotiating table .then the question arises, why should India give what pakis want?

let's look at pakiland's own response on their western borders when dealing with infiltrations and terror attacks, they carried out multiple military operations over decades but never called it a war on it's western neighbours. considering paki security establishment is far less constrained by their civilian leadership, than in India. so even paki threshold of definition of war is not infiltration.

in essence, pakis continue to exploit a weakness in global security architecture on how to deal with cross border terrorism.

but yes, what exactly triggered this current wave is a question for now.

-upcoming J&K elections
-them getting banged on their western border
-US busy with their elections
-assisting their chini friends by trying to divert our attention
-or as usual, sustaining their jihadi network.

could be anything.
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I think there is lack of deepstate in India and this passiveness in strategy is leading us nowhere. What pakis does in the western border shouldn't be our concern because they are not the regional power or have the ambition to become a global power. The thing with our doctrine is neither of being ruthless like China and do absolute demographic changes in the regions we need to do, infact we are getting infiltrated from the east and allowing their populations settled in strategic places. Same thing happening in Uttrakhand and other states. On top necessary reforms are not even being done on fear of losing elections while in Bangladesh, Hasina shows what consequences are to the oppoistion when they try to ferement shit.

Countries like US, China and Russia will never tolerate shit like this inside their soil.

The thing is we need this too to go on the offensive, our political landscape is not looking good with congress fermenting divisions from caste to language, giving out freebies. Inc by inch they are taking control and destroying each state at a time. The Modi factor seems to be fading away and BJP seems to have to answer now.

We have limited window of opportunity and we need to make a statement like Israel or else this is gonna look even worse in a decade.

There has to be monumental mental shift in our policies. Overt actions needs to be taken. The fear of going to the negotiating table is absurd when we should be confident that it will go in our favour but there seems to be no confidence in that. So what does it tell about the state we are in.

If pakis dont fear hypertention because they somehow believe their hides would be saved because they can handle the Indian onslaught then it is our duty to show them they are living in la la land. If pakis dont fear hyper tention because they make us believe they can go toe to toe with us and stop us from taking "risks", then we are not in control of our destiny nor we will ever be a civilzational global power. If our thinking is we have to get to this point then we will launch an offensive, boss we will keep a rain check on that date forever.
 
Mr.Evil said:
Edit-no we never had this conversation in DFI as you banned me without any warnings.
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Yeah.. this is something he's very good at.
Nevertheless, among three forces, Navy seems to be the most promising in most parameters. Though need to see their nerves at the tensed times.. Last AF's action(post Balakot) wasn't very convincing.
 
"Highly encrypted Chinese telecom gear termed 'Ultra Set', equipment reportedly used by the Pakistani Army, was found among the weapons carried by a slain terrorist last year in the Poonch region of Jammu. A similar device was found on April 26 after a gunfight in North Kashmir's Baramulla district."

daijiworld.com

FairPoint: Indian forces set to clean Jammu areas, nip China-Pak’s J&K plan

New Delhi, July 21 (IANS): No one could have comprehended that the relatively peaceful Jammu region of J&K could suddenly become a new epicentre for terrorism and take a toll on the security forces. It is not that Jammu areas have never been targeted before; terrorists have carried out bomb...
daijiworld.com daijiworld.com
 
Is napak army trying to open another front to push terrorists, Heron was airborne today tracking some movements over kargil sector for almost 3 hours. Northern sector though unusual, not the ideal terrain for terrorists infiltration. However who knows 25 years back we were caught surprised in the same region
 
Viper316 said:
Is napak army trying to open another front to push terrorists, Heron was airborne today tracking some movements over kargil sector for almost 3 hours. Northern sector though unusual, not the ideal terrain for terrorists infiltration. However who knows 25 years back we were caught surprised in the same region
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Damn, you caught this again.

I think they can still push militants with the help of Army like they did in Kargil. Enemies have smelled the weakness. They will be perfectly comfortable to convert this into a 2-front war with blessings of USA.
 
@Viper316 IAF has started flying UAVs with ADSB transponder off now, probably because some retarted kniggas posted the screenshots on twitter trying to show off to the world how smart they are since they can download flightradar app.

This is why I ask people not to post anything interesting on twitter. Fat genrols get offended by everything.
 
ezsasa said:
upcoming J&K elections
-them getting banged on their western border
-US busy with their elections
-assisting their chini friends by trying to divert our attention
-or as usual, sustaining their jihadi network.
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Whenever Sharifs come in power militancy increases in J&K, Sharifs have strong network of workers in POJK and also this side, because they are good in generating funds from overseas Pakistani diaspora , that's my opinion.
 
QQ...Does tango stay in India territory or they leave Indian border
Because if they are already inside our territory, it's a matter of national shame..
 
mist_consecutive said:
@Viper316 IAF has started flying UAVs with ADSB transponder off now, probably because some retarted kniggas posted the screenshots on twitter trying to show off to the world how smart they are since they can download flightradar app.

This is why I ask people not to post anything interesting on twitter. Fat genrols get offended by everything.
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If you can see it on flight radar app, then Pakistanis can see too, good that they have turned it off. Important for IAF is to recognize the friendly asset and not shoot it down like on feb 27
 
mist_consecutive said:
@Viper316 IAF has started flying UAVs with ADSB transponder off now, probably because some retarted kniggas posted the screenshots on twitter trying to show off to the world how smart they are since they can download flightradar app.

This is why I ask people not to post anything interesting on twitter. Fat genrols get offended by everything.
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Initially was not sure of the flight radar data as ADS- B was switched off, hence cross checked in another app it showed typical or illustrative flight path when ADS-B was switched off. However not sure how accurate is that
 
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