CI/CT Operations

Marcos wont survive in this op.

I think Para SF is a bunch of gawars but they are a good fighting force.

They were ambushed and eliminated in one op.

This place is no joke.

Moreover marcos doesnt do ops where it searches the entire forest on its own.
I disagree. Marcos has roles in CI/CT in Kashmir alongside RR&other forces on top of that if a “special force”is roaming around a jungle to find 2-3 terrorists that’s not a sf operation they are not meant to do it I believe paras maybe more experienced in these ops but MARCOs can conduct these aswell they have been part of it since a long time saying they can’t survive as if paras can is foolish.

View: https://youtu.be/ymhJWTOzDEY?si=zvJXkbvS79tsMYoj

View: https://youtu.be/-bTZdqmv9rc?si=p_ge1T36OdujNqod
 
So we did stop the OP for night well done pheeling paraud
That's why I asked earlier. GOI has given a free hand here. Even firefights are happening at night.
I don’t think marcos will wait till first light to launch an opp. :)
During the years of relative normalcy, they conducted daylight firefights supporting RR in their respective sector mostly since they are used similarly to Para SF in CASO and sometimes SADO ops. In general, Night ops used to be limited to Searches, Recce and Surveillance to minimize collateral damage and loda lahsun. 90s and 2000s mei regular army used to conduct night ops by lighting up the areas using flare rounds.
 
They're more like RR at this point but with Tavors and far less uniformity in their camo
Nailed it.
That's why I asked earlier. GOI has given a free hand here. Even firefights are happening at night.

During the years of relative normalcy, they conducted daylight firefights supporting RR in their respective sector mostly since they are used similarly to Para SF in CASO and sometimes SADO ops. In general, Night ops used to be limited to Searches, Recce and Surveillance to minimize collateral damage and loda lahsun. 90s and 2000s mei regular army used to conduct night ops by lighting up the areas using flare rounds.
Using flare rounds and illuminations eliminates the purpose of night fighting- in which surprise is everything.
 
Nailed it.

Using flare rounds and illuminations eliminates the purpose of night fighting- in which surprise is everything.
Yep it does, but firefights weren't called off at night
I disagree. Marcos has roles in CI/CT in Kashmir alongside RR&other forces on top of that if a “special force”is roaming around a jungle to find 2-3 terrorists that’s not a sf operation they are not meant to do it I believe paras maybe more experienced in these ops but MARCOs can conduct these aswell they have been part of it since a long time saying they can’t survive as if paras can is foolish.

View: https://youtu.be/ymhJWTOzDEY?si=zvJXkbvS79tsMYoj

View: https://youtu.be/-bTZdqmv9rc?si=p_ge1T36OdujNqod

EXACTLY. Having good standardized equipment ≠ Running JSOC typa ops. It's upto the senior officials incharge to task them with such
 
Yep it does, but firefights weren't called off at night

EXACTLY. Having good standardized equipment ≠ Running JSOC typa ops. It's upto the senior officials incharge to task them with such
Why are they called off at nights in 2023? Also many terrorists have been able to escape under the cover of darkness even back then. This one time a dogra CO was killed back in 2000 and the militants left without a scratch. Night vision would have allowed for dogra boys and bust their heads open
 
I disagree. Marcos has roles in CI/CT in Kashmir alongside RR&other forces on top of that if a “special force”is roaming around a jungle to find 2-3 terrorists that’s not a sf operation they are not meant to do it I believe paras maybe more experienced in these ops but MARCOs can conduct these aswell they have been part of it since a long time saying they can’t survive as if paras can is foolish.

View: https://youtu.be/ymhJWTOzDEY?si=zvJXkbvS79tsMYoj

View: https://youtu.be/-bTZdqmv9rc?si=p_ge1T36OdujNqod

These op in Kashmir are low level or supported by Army.

Marcos cannot do a op of its own in a big forested area.

Whats the strength of Marcos in Kashmir?
 
Why are they called off at nights in 2023? Also many terrorists have been able to escape under the cover of darkness even back then. This one time a dogra CO was killed back in 2000 and the militants left without a scratch. Night vision would have allowed for dogra boys and bust their heads open
Initially they were called off for minimizing collateral damage. As a result, SOP were never revised after that (throughout the forces involved) neither additional equipment (ISR using drones, airborne platforms) were integrated in CI-CT which is very critical for Night Ops. Night ops with NVGs only be it mono tubes or even Quad tubes with IR overlay.. isn't enough ! you need a supporting infrastructure and additional training exclusively for it
 
These op in Kashmir are low level or supported by Army.

Marcos cannot do a op of its own in a big forested area.

Whats the strength of Marcos in Kashmir?
Again you are incorrect Para & MARCOS get same basic training and specialised skill training(which includes close-quarters combat, demolition, survival, and reconnaissance) after that they get different training for MARCOS it will Maritime ops and diving ops while for paras it is mountain and jungle warfare course BUT there is no bounds Marcos can do the course paras do and vice versa at the ends it’s what sf’s priorities are and then they get different roles their training is very similar.

You are saying they can’t do ops,they can , are they specialised at it No, simple answer.MARCOS will not roam around doing CASO’s neither should para but they do it.
 
There is no point in gatekeeping a force which is much better equipped and also has better SOPs such as marcos... Navy chief has already said multiple times that they'll provide all the support which marcos requires and it's showing. Their weapon handling, gears, everything is different from PSF. I believe after navy gets their shares of MQ9s, one team of marcos should be prepared for a night op.. we can't let those terrorists always escape at night. Also this might teach army leadership a thing or two. One team of marcos along with tapas (will be ordered) and MQ9s for recce and Intel. They already have binods. Imagine stopping CI/CT ops in 2024 due to darkness. What are special forces (proper one not our so called ones) for? Ultimately marcos can become our seals if the proper support continued and navy didn't started behaving like army command. Also they will get budget raises
 
Marcos wont survive in this op.

I think Para SF is a bunch of gawars but they are a good fighting force.

They were ambushed and eliminated in one op.

This place is no joke.

Moreover marcos doesnt do ops where it searches the entire forest on its own.
Marcos did survive in one such op. Some members on the old platform described that ops where Marcos came under fire in a typical jungle ambush. They held ground using ballistic shields, the squad leader directed return fire and even managed to kill a few of the enemies.
 
Marcos did survive in one such op. Some members on the old platform described that ops where Marcos came under fire in a typical jungle ambush. They held ground using ballistic shields, the squad leader directed return fire and even managed to kill a few of the enemies.
Survived not dominated to kill.

There is a difference.

Marcos cannot cordon a big chunk of land and carry out search of a terrorist trail.

Thats not their capability.

The Indian Army which is supposed to be best in it including 9 and 4 are unable in doing so in the last several months..

But some of us think Marcos of strength 20 based in Wular lake can do it?

Go ahead!!
 
Survived not dominated to kill.

There is a difference.

Marcos cannot cordon a big chunk of land and carry out search of a terrorist trail.

Thats not their capability.

The Indian Army which is supposed to be best in it including 9 and 4 are unable in doing so in the last several months..

But some of us think Marcos of strength 20 based in Wular lake can do it?

Go ahead!!
You are comparing army with a SF now?RR has no shortage of manpower even para do ops in 2-3 HITS at max
 
Again you are incorrect Para & MARCOS get same basic training and specialised skill training(which includes close-quarters combat, demolition, survival, and reconnaissance) after that they get different training for MARCOS it will Maritime ops and diving ops while for paras it is mountain and jungle warfare course BUT there is no bounds Marcos can do the course paras do and vice versa at the ends it’s what sf’s priorities are and then they get different roles their training is very similar.

You are saying they can’t do ops,they can , are they specialised at it No, simple answer.MARCOS will not roam around doing CASO’s neither should para but they do it.
Basic training wont let you survive in these ops.

You need specialised training that is conducted in Para Units.

Even Infantry with basic training dont survie in JK hence they have CBS.
 
Basic training wont let you survive in these ops.

You need specialised training that is conducted in Para Units.

Even Infantry with basic training dont survie in JK hence they have CBS.
I think you didn’t read the full reply bhai
 
You are comparing army with a SF now?RR has no shortage of manpower even para do ops in 2-3 HITS at max
Since the op should be infantry but a SF is doing and YOU are saying Marcos can do it i am bring the Army to give you a picture of reality.
 

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