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Azaad said:
Well that "shot over the bow " resulted in us sacrificing one of our own in full public glare to the US's demand & what have we got in return ? Has the US committed to reigning in Pannu or other Khalistanis ? He's busy making provocative statements as before.

Do you actually think the US is going to cease activities after this regardless of which ever way the case of Nikhil Gupta goes ? They've tasted blood now & have shown us our place .

This is the reason I carefully worded my post saying we can take liberties with Canada & Australia , the UK even but not the US .
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There is no public confirmation or independent confirmation that GoI sacrificed one of its own.
 
sameer said:
Yes, this is the reason the US needs to be handled carefully and treated differently from rest of its pignat slaves. Even Cheenis had a lot of issues with the Falun gong movement protestors and 1989 tianenmen square protests, but still didn't go ahead with assassinations on US soil.

Sometimes you have no option but to take the blows(temporarily), bide your time until you get stronger and then retaliate when the power differential becomes lower.
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No China did carry out assassinations on US soil.
 
Aaj Ka Hero said:
I don't believe in this thing, Indians especially Hindus who go outside are the MOST FATTU group of all time.

Once they arrive in other country, they take it upon themselves to get colonized more than needed, readily forget India, their homeland interest and most of time don't care what their stupidity can do.

We all are going to see it in upcoming USA elections where despite knowing that how much that chudail Kamala is dangerous and it's democrats party is dangerous to India, so called "Indian colonizers" will go and vote Kamala only.

Let me give you a picture of Indians in west.
Sorry though, but they are this.
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You are 100% correct and 100% wrong.
Let me explain why:

First the easy one: you are 100% correct about what you have said, re: Indian migrants/PIOs who have gone to these countries in the past. And realitsically, a certain % loss is to be expected because law of large numbers dictates so.

Now the not so easy one : you are 100% wrong about 'new reality'.
You see, technology cuts both ways : yes, it leads to a lot of social media control over India from the US but it ALSO, for the first time in recorded history, lets immigrants stay connected in real time, to the homeland.
**THIS** is the game-changer that has to be factored in.

Let me tell you reality of western immigration, as an immigrant : since the west invented and enforced racism to a stunning degree, all the whites end up getting assimilated into the great big anglo sea of Murrica-Canda-Ozzie but if you look close enough, none of them wanted to. that is why they built all those croatian cultural centres/german hauses etc. about a 100 years ago- when *THEY* mostly came.

Reality is, 90% of immigrants dont want to 'assimilate' and want to maintain aspects of homeland, but have failed to do so. For until now, how do you keep abrest of local culture back home in Dubrovnik or Begusarai ? How do you keep abrest of local news ? You cannot.
As such, you 'rely' on the 'old fogeys + the 40+ gen that immigrates and finds a home there, while their children anglo-fy' phenomenon.
This phenomenon affected the desis too and to a lesser degree the Chinese ( coz the Chinese slightly modified their 'heavenly central kingdom' xenophobia into racism in white lands).

But now, the rules of the game have changed. And they have been changed for a while. I have never ever seen before the last decade, the *EXACT* same scene back in India and in Canada's living rooms : face glued to TV, arnab screaming or some aaj-tak political panel of 10 people all screaming at the same time.
And when the wife says ' bas karo, movie lagao' , you log into zee plus and see programs with your 5 year olds.
The Chinese, as usual, have capitalized on this new reality quicker,because as China rose, the 'new stock' of Chinese who came were much more confident and self respecting of their Chineseness, to the point of fully transforming vast neighbourhoods of Vancouver ( such as suburb-city Richmond) into Hong Kong proper.
And there was a strong racial backlash against the 'yellow tide' in the 00s here, but the Chinese bore through it and continue to thrive ( though their raw immigration #s have collapsed due to demographic issues back home and less people coming over due to better quality of life in China- the latter that will affect Indian emegration in the next 20 years or so).

The same is true for us, where we are facing 'dumb pajeet' crap, a bit more because social media has way more coverage in 2024 than in 2007 but the trajectory is the same, especially since the Indians who've come in the last 10 years or so have shifted the tone by being far more confident in their identity, mostly due to Modi phenomenon.

Technology, as they say, is the game changer and despite the west controlling most communication tech platforms, the overriding factor of 24/7 telecom & channel proliferation has given immigrants of the past something they've never ever had before : ability to treat news and development + entertainment from back home as just like something on a different part of USA/Canada/Aussie and keep connected.

In the past, assimilation of Indians + Chinese were restricted via racism but that is dying down in the west, with significantly more people moving away from race theory and race principles ( most are still racist, but many are trying to not be and the abandonment of race theory will take time to filter through the western society over next 3-5 generations till it basically goes to fringe corners and remain there permanently) , ergo, we are now have a new threat from assimilation.

However, in modern environment, with the new rules of reality of immigrant psyche being impacted by technology, the homeland that does well and produces strong cultural identity, will be in a position to retain their emigrant population as a soft-colonial power tool, where identity linkage with motherland will acutely make them play a part in influencing US-Canada-Aussie politics.

The west knows this, they've known this for a while - at least 30 years or so, which is when you saw a tone shift from western media.
Gone were the 'idiosyncratic wise non materialistic culture of sages but dirty and poor yet beauty in it' outlook of the west towards India from the 1950s-90s, subtly replaced with ' crazy rapist, dirty, corrupt inefficient, smelly people' tropes in their media in the 90s-present period. It is THEIR attempt to de-link the indian immigrant from India and 'gora-fy' them.

West has no choice but to play this card, because they cannot play the 'evil sith empire of Chicoms/Russian Oligarches' card against us, to try and take a frontal approach of 'cultural de-programming', though it is much, much less effective on the Chinese now that 11 ping-pong has re-endorsed taoism and confucianism amongst his populace, so the ace-card the west had of 'come be a western gay lgbtq libbu version of confucius/laotzu and practice your TRUE culture here in the west' is gone.

This is the great game of culture that is being played in the west.

FYI, China too is continuing it, despite smaller numbers - Their peak immigration numbers to Australia since 90s is in 2023 ( 64K net total), regaining their ~50K/year in the 20-teens in the pre-covid years.
Their numbers in Canada have declined but not much - they've gone from their ~50K in the 00s- precovid days to ~30K and holding down the 2nd place button after India ( averaging 100K since just before covid).

And this is why, in the greater game of cultural geopolitics, the colonization project *must* continue.
 
Right! A qualitative difference. Just curious, I have seen this term 'nuclear reactors' mentioned in trade articles, what exactly does that mean? Obviously, not full nuclear reactors. Some major component, system?
 
crazywithmath said:
Who are you talking about, Gupta or CC1? Gupta was a well known drug/arms smuggler who collaborated with the r̶o̶g̶u̶e̶ RAW agent (CC-1) and probably made a fortune out of it. It is not like he wasn't aware of the risks involved or how expendable he actually was in the grand scheme of things.

As far as CC-1 is concerned, first they claimed it was some ex CRPF guy who was sent back to CRPF, then they claimed he was no longer working for the agencies, then they claimed he was detained/arrested and now they are saying that CC-1 was a 'low ranking' official (whatever that is supposed to mean) who was briefly detained and no longer working for the govt. Not sure what to conclude yet, perhaps in the coming days things will get clearer.
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CC-1 . Regardless of what they claim if sections of our own media are reporting we've dismissed the said person from service after initially suspending him & what's more have launched an official enquiry against him informing the US authorities of all these developments as per these same media reports , it raises the question did we game the results of this exercise weighing it against any possible fallout if it succeeded vis a vis a failure. For both would've cost us.

I mean we can spin it the way we want to , it can't make for good optics , can it or can it ? And that's just the optics without getting into the state of the relationship.

crazywithmath said:
Oh, they absolutely won't because,

1. Khalis do not pose a threat to Uncle Sam,
2. Keeping India busy with her internal turmoils weakens the Indian govt.
3. A weakened defanged GoI is in Murica's interest.
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crazywithmath said:
There is this Steno Shishir article where he makes some interesting claims;



There is one other article where he claims that Doval publicly accused the CIA of grooming and sheltering Pannun at a bilateral with his American counterpart and had some nasty altercations behind the scenes.
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For the time being we should've left it at that - altercations behind closed doors minus the attempted assassination especially in view of the fact of what the Saudis were forced to so once evidence of government agencies assassinating Kasshogi at their embassy in Turkey emerged & the US went after the Saudis.

Mind you this was during the Trump regime where relations between the Saudis & the US were much more cordial compared to what it became under Biden / Blinken.
 
Nutcracker said:
So most of Gaynada's exports to India are pre-industrialisation commodities.
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Barring the four advanced western economies i.e. USA, Germany, France, and UK, the rest rely mostly on the commodity export (oil, food product, cosmetics, luxury items).

Some forum members were discussing the impact of US' sanctions on the Indian economy, the IT sector in particular. Here is some interesting information for them:

Surprise: India's largest export to the US is not the IT services, it is petrochemicals and pharma products. 25% of the generic medicines and 35% of the APIs consumed by the US are imported from India.

US Pharmacopeia report finds high reliance on Indian manufacturers for APIs​

 
www.deccanherald.com

India is testing its friends’ trust over slain Sikh activist

www.deccanherald.com www.deccanherald.com

Brown coolie conserned for his gora sahib.

Anyway Trudeau is angry that he is not getting the same response for his allegation as is has got (the reason lies in power differential, nothing more).

Anyway at this point neither usa nor India has taken it as something that threatens their relationship of all countries us understands of extraterritorial ops.

If India was really concerned or wanted to retaliate it would open judicial investigation into cia/RCMP/csis support to khalistan but then it will pull in uk,America ,Germany, Australia etc into it , it would not be worthwhile when these countries are trying to move away from khalistani support.

However to retaliate to Turdue atleast a announcement/threat that such a commission could be constituted to enquire into Canadian support to khalis under his regime.
 
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