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How the contract is negotiated. If we want domestic production then 2-3 years to set up manufacturing plant and then on engine deliveries production starts. So probably by 4-5years from now
Thanks for that estimate but what I meant was just buying some - either new from Dassault or used from the French Air Force. The first duty of a country's government is defence of the state. Given IAF's parlous position re: fighters, GOI should acquire more Rafale fighters ASAP in my opinion. Allowing the fighter position to become so bad is dereliction of duty by the current government and by previous ones IMO.
 
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Thanks for that estimate but what I meant was just buying some - either new from Dassault or used from the French Air Force. The first duty of a country's government is defence of the state. Given IAF's parlous position re: fighters, GOI should acquire more fighters ASAP in my opinion. Allowing the fighter position to become so bad is dereliction of duty by the current government and previous ones IMO.
Even though our squadron strength as depleted we are not going to war to get used French rafales.. if war was looking govt/IAF wouldn’t been sitting on squadron depleted day by day. Also French rafales are old F3 and come with interoperability issues as Indian rafales are customised as per our own network centric warfare. Even if we sign contract now that will be 3 years to deliver first plane ( optimistic estimates based on bypassing the backlog order book)
 
Even though our squadron strength as depleted we are not going to war to get used French rafales.. if war was looking govt/IAF wouldn’t been sitting on squadron depleted day by day. Also French rafales are old F3 and come with interoperability issues as Indian rafales are customised as per our own network centric warfare. Even if we sign contract now that will be 3 years to deliver first plane ( optimistic estimates based on bypassing the backlog order book)
Fair enough.

Successive Indian governments have stuffed the IAF. They were supposed to plan and maintain an adequate level of fighter capability but failed so to do.

PS So it's all down to Mk1A to mitigate the damage for the next few years, isn't it?
 
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They are trying to do both.
With that JV for amca's engine that they are going for.
Also that same future amca's engine *IF* built will be used to upgrade tejasmk2's during midlife upgrades in 2040+.
In terms of indigeneous capability development even with the import of aircrafts we are still on a good path *EXCEPT* jet engines :frusty:.

I just hope they continue the Kaveri program so that future Kaveri 2.0 can be used to replace f404 for tejas mk1a's in 2040+.
 
Payment doesn't happens immediately after order.
Payment happens in batches, as orders are delivered in batches.
The deal can be signed this year, part of Payment can start when first rafale is delivered or when training on naval rafale starts.
This 30billion+ deal will receive its payment in the span of multiple years.
Not exactly. Once the contract is signed, it really start to be effective when the first payment arrive. Usually around 15% of the production cost. Then, partial payment are done during the production. And the remaining during delivery.
I don't know how it works in India but when I explain that in France, I tell to the people that it is exactly the same when you buy an apartment which is not built yet.
You pay something for booking the apartment, like 10%. Then, once the work start, you pay something more. Once the wall and the roof is done, you may more. And, when the day of final delivery arrive, you have a remaining 5 or 10% to finish to pay everything. And you can keep this final payment if you are not satisfied about something. Once everything is fixed, you pay the rest.

In case of IAF order 36 new aircraft now, and because the price of each aircraft is around 70 millions Euros, the total amount of the contract for building the planes will be 2,5 billions euros (rest is spare parts, support equipments, ammunition, contract support, etc.). So in that case IAF should make a deposit of about 380 million euros, or 35189501984 indian roupies (sorry, not comfortable with crore I don't want to make it wrong, but I think it is 351,89 crore ?)
 

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