Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[Ginvincible]

This is the way. Knee jerk reaction is our way.

Even his plan is too optimistic. He's not accounting for the 3-5 years of committee meetings discussing this plan. Another 5-7 years of negotiations for the F-35 followed by another 5 years for deliveries to start. India will also have many years of discussions and negotiations around FCAS and after joining India will leave after having invested $1B due to insufficient ToT. Instead they'll work on AMCA mk3, while still only having a TD of the mk1. By 2060 maybe we'll see the LSP of a 6th gen fighter.

 

[angryindian]

The Su-57 is pure catfish and will get slapped in a peer to peer engagement with a J-20B. Forget these new birds.

Do we have an option here ?

There is no way the US will give us the F35s to us without us handing over our kidneys and liver to them.

The US will ask for nothing less than giving them control over a few of our air force and naval bases.
Or else they would ask for the entire fleet of IAF's F35s to be operated and maintained by US personnel and billing us such hefty sums that the IAF won't be able to operate any other aircraft in its inventory.

 

[Patriots]

There is no way than getting the su57.......

 

[darkflame]

Do Russians even have a a2a missile for su57, either way against j20 su57 has no chance, not only j20 has a lower rcs, it also probably have a better radar, chinkis also have devloped better a2a missiles then russia, su57 will just get bullied by j20.

 

[Fatalis]

And what will Su-57 do? Will it also become a game changer and change the dynamics completely? PLAAF will have close to 400 5th gen fighters by then.

 

[Knowitall]

Making a dorito shaped jet doesn't automatically make it 6th gen, just saying.

What it looks like, its mostly a stealth bomber concept. I saw a twitter post saying it is manned/unmanned bomber concept.

That is too much of an oversimplification and mockery of a design that is being studied by both the US under NGAD and Europe under their own respective programs.

We are talking about a manned/unmanned fighter or bomber making it the second aircraft in the world after B-21 to do. We are talking about a new technological breakthrough in design with only the US operating such tailless jets in the form of b-2 and b-21.

From what we have as of now 3 engines would mean the chinese would end up having the first stealth jet in the world with this feature.

J-20 is rapidly improving and has recently flown with ws-15.

Pentagon: China Working on Upgrades to Top Stealth Fighter

China is upgrading its J-20 stealth fighter and experimenting with manned-unmanned teaming, the Pentagon's latest China report says.

www.airandspaceforces.com

The pentagon does not underestimate it and neither should we.

All said and done this aircraft will be in testing for the next few years but that also means India’s chances of having a 5th gen aircraft before 2040 outside of imports is null.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Do we have an option here ?

There is no way the US will give us the F35s to us without us handing over our kidneys and liver to them.

The US will ask for nothing less than giving them control over a few of our air force and naval bases.
Or else they would ask for the entire fleet of IAF's F35s to be operated and maintained by US personnel and billing us such hefty sums that the IAF won't be able to operate any other aircraft in its inventory.

The Su-57 is useless. Our only option right now is to finish AMCA in mission mode and make the first flight happen next year. Then seriously fund the engine program to get something usable out of it in 5 years.

 

[Nutcracker]

That is too much of an oversimplification and mockery of a design that is being studied by both the US under NGAD and Europe under their own respective programs.

We are talking about a manned/unmanned fighter or bomber making it the second aircraft in the world after B-21 to do. We are talking about a new technological breakthrough in design with only the US operating such tailless jets in the form of b-2 and b-21.

From what we have as of now 3 engines would mean the chinese would end up having the first stealth jet in the world with this feature.

J-20 is rapidly improving and has recently flown with ws-15.

Pentagon: China Working on Upgrades to Top Stealth Fighter

China is upgrading its J-20 stealth fighter and experimenting with manned-unmanned teaming, the Pentagon's latest China report says.

www.airandspaceforces.com

The pentagon does not underestimate it and neither should we.

All said and done this aircraft will be in testing for the next few years but that also means India’s chances of having a 5th gen aircraft before 2040 outside of imports is null.

Still this seems to be 5th gen only. There is no clear definition about 6th gen. Flying wing stealth bomber has been flying since 90s. Even our Ghatak will be FW design.

Using third auxiliary also tells that for all it's glitter China doesn't seem to have mere 100kN dry thrust low bypass engine yet.

But design is smart. It plans to reach within 500-1000km to the target using two main engines, and then probably use the third one to generate auxiliary power for EW suite to fly through a defended airspace.

 

[Knowitall]

Still this seems to be 5th gen only. There is no clear definition about 6th gen. Flying wing stealth bomber has been flying since 90s. Even our Ghatak will be FW design.

Using third auxiliary also tells that for all it's glitter China doesn't seem to have mere 100kN dry thrust low bypass engine yet.

But design is smart. It plans to reach within 500-1000km to the target using two main engines, and then probably use the third one to generate auxiliary power for EW suite to fly through a defended airspace.

China will soon be launching its main long range bomber i.e the H-20 so i dont think engines are an issue here. This is more of a change in design philosophy and only time will tell the actual reason for this design.

As for ghatak let the 1:1 model fly first. Drones are a different category altogether. The chinese already have various models like ghatak in development and production. Same goes for US France and Russia but they seem to be pursuing these kind of jets too.

 

[angryindian]

The Su-57 is useless. Our only option right now is to finish AMCA in mission mode and make the first flight happen next year. Then seriously fund the engine program to get something usable out of it in 5 years.

Do you seriously think that a country that has not yet managed to induct a basic trainer like HTJ36 in 21 years since its first flight will manage to finish 5th gen AMCA project in record time?

 

[Spitfire IX]

Crippling IAF gaps force government to set up panel for new road map | India News - Times of India

India News: India's Air Force is facing a significant shortage of fighter jets and support aircraft. A high-level committee has been formed to address these gaps,

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

In a country in which, IMO, procurement is severely hampered if not arguably crippled by bureaucracy and bureaucratic process, the solution to the problems so created is to set up another committee?

 

[truthsoldier]

The country has so much money for freebies but no money for funding critical strategic projects. Ladli behna yojana of just 1 state costs 18000 crores while punjab spends 20,000 cr on free electricity. Union govts freebie budget stands at 4 Lkh cr and yet chindigiri for defence R&D. Maybe we are not destined for greatness..

 

[Anants]

Crippling IAF gaps force government to set up panel for new road map | India News - Times of India

India News: India's Air Force is facing a significant shortage of fighter jets and support aircraft. A high-level committee has been formed to address these gaps,

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

In a country in which, IMO, procurement is severely hampered if not arguably crippled by bureaucracy and bureaucratic process, the solution to the problems so created is to set up another committee?

Apart from India you mean? It's yours.. Britain. Tell us which is the next naval ship that is going to be axed?

 

[Anants]

Guys don't you know what shall be our solution by govt? Media shall create more hype about Chinese Dosa. Indian airforce high level committee shall say: Saar we found solution and antidote. It shall be : order more more Rafael- the French crepe. So that IAF gets khush for 1 year, ADA gets slow cooked for next 10 years, Govt pats it's back till next GE27.

 

[Spitfire IX]

Apart from India you mean? It's yours.. Britain. Tell us which is the next naval ship that is going to be axed?

Apart from India you mean? It's yours.. Britain. Tell us which is the next naval ship that is going to be axed?

I'm British. I am also an analyst by profession. I am critical where I see failure. I criticise the British procurement system where I see failure, just as I criticise Indian procurement. The comparative magnitude of the incompetence of and in the two systems means that I criticise India more.

 

[TumAapHum]

India is unserious country run by bureaucrats with god complex. Our civilization has long been in decline with a dead cat bounce in last few decades offering a fleeting hope of rejuvenation.

But nothing is gonna change. I have given up on this country. Fuck the politicians, babus and generals equally.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Do you seriously think that a country that has not yet managed to induct a basic trainer like HTJ36 in 21 years since its first flight will manage to finish 5th gen AMCA project in record time?

Yep that's exactly what this county has to do. Go nuts. Cut the crap, the red tapes, and just full send. Nothing's impossible with enough national will. Otherwise we'll keep languishing between chai biskit sessions and MRFA scheme forever.

 

[shauryaman65]

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At this rate they will throw America out of East Asia without firing a single bullet or missile
Like how the West did fuck all while USSR marched till East Germany, Czechoslovakia etc and refused to go back

Haha bad example, you should know how that ended for the USSR.


Although we should worry about our own asses than america's tbh.

 

[Anants]

I'm British. I am also an analyst by profession. I am critical where I see failure. I criticise the British procurement system where I see failure, just as I criticise Indian procurement. The comparative magnitude of the incompetence of and in the two systems means that I criticise India more.

Good on ya mate. Enjoy your criticizing Indian and tearing one's hair over British.. Hobby. Enjoy

 

[Anants]

Naaah...I would stick with my FB-22 theory.
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MCA laughs from somewhere within heap of discarded files at ADA. As india gains experience on Ghatak. Advanced\Revamped (for stealth) maybe feasible once again.. But the again its late night musing