Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[shade2]

Well you make deal with the devil when you have no other option. Do we have options ? Maybe, maybe not. But definitely not in the next 10 years.



You mean a runt state opposing a military superpower and stalling the war in a grinding halt ? I will take it anyday. That beats complete annexation, and the horrors that comes with that.

Power difference vs. China is much less than what is between Ukraine vs. Russia.







India is one of the most important emerging powers. To which superpower we align (USA vs. China) in the next 50 years will define which side will have hengemony for the next 100 years.



We are not a nail but a fucking pole. China will find they need more resources and willpower to bend us down. Question is will that be even worth it at the end.

We can stall the war by ourselves, no need to sell to Uncle Sam, mainly because of the Himalyas
We sell our soul to Uncle Sam so we can defeat the Chings, because they will """""""win""""""" in a war of attrition because of their superior industrial capacity

That's what Russia thought as well.

US didn't directly intervene in Ukraine my dude, the killing and dying is being done by the Ukranians themselves for the most part
Even in terms of supplies it is half assed, because Ukraine is a rusty pipe used to beat Russia with, if the pipe breaks and shatters, Uncle Sam gives not a fuck.

Taiwan is a small island with a small population, it will fold in months without foreign intervention, Chings know this and that's why have been bulking up for the past 20 years

 

[Blademaster]

Misc,

You mistake my post as if I was saying India was a runt like Ukraine. No I am not. But remember Russia is not China and China is not Russia. China has far more resources than Russia.

And Ukraine has a more strategic importance to US because Russia is still US's number one or 2 enemy and Europe holds great strategic importance to US. Not only that US found a way to make Russia bleed but here's the thing: they don't care about Ukraine's butcher bill or how much blood Ukraine had to shed.

US will help us but not to the extent where we can minimize our casualties and give us great offensive power, only enough to tie China down, nothing more, nothing less. And that is not an ideal situation for India.

India must develop its own resources to be able to take on China and Pakistan at the same time without needing anyone else's help. Because only in that way, India can minimize its casaulties and not be a pawn of someone else's game.

 

[shade2]

I don't get your reasoning.

America will help anyone and everyone who can needle China.

Regarding Taiwan, if America was really hesitant in defending helping Taiwan then Chinese army would have already landed on Taipei.

Taiwan confirms US troops on front-line islands near China

The stationing of American special forces trainers in Taiwan marks the first permanent U.S. presence on the self-ruled island in 45 years.

www.newsweek.com

Like how token support Ukraine is getting vs. Russia ? Oh, I would love that !

Tell me if Ukraine would have survived a single week without NATO support.

Their token support is only helping them stall and not turn the tide.

The US scheme is to "bleed Russia", with us it will be to "bleed China", ofc in the process it is the Ukies who are also bleeding now, and will be us in the future

Unlike the Ukies however we have a hostile demographic at home, who won't be recruited to die on the battlefield for obvious reasons...

You can imagine the long term consequences of this.

Better keep the Ching away till we have enough domestic industrial capacity to stave them off ourselves without fully selling out to Uncle Sam, as we build up, it becomes less "easy peasy" for the Ching to attack us and get away with minimal costs.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Tedbf airforce in 2 years ? How



View: https://t.me/diplomatic_delta/18937

For once I wish they do.

 

[shade2]

North Korea: 'No apology' for S Korea Cheonan sinking

North Korea rejects South Korean calls for an apology over the sinking of a warship, almost five years after the disaster killed 46 sailors.

www.bbc.com

This is an ancient report from 2015 of the Naarth Koreans sinking a SoKo corvette randomly in 2010.

No "befitting reply" was given from the SoKo to Naarthern brozzers over this, even though public sentiment was fully behind SoKo armed forces punishing the Kim-Jong worshippers.

A cope excuse was given that the SoKo govt was scared of the "Over 9000 Black Artillery Pieces of Kim Jong Un aimed at Seoul", but the truth is the start spangled masters of SoKo didn't allow them to retaliate, behind the scenes, remember it was 2010 and everything was Changa Xi economically in East Asia at the time.

By being US's bitch, you surrender your foreign policy to them, you attack when they tell you to, but you're supposed to take many L's when they forbid you to respond.
And the US can withdraw support at any time, leaving you holding the bag.

 

[Anants]

Tedbf airforce in 2 years ? How



View: https://t.me/diplomatic_delta/18937

Man Ada likes to scratch our old wounds and put salt on it from time to time by floating such hopes near aero india

 

[Indianhawk]

Man Ada likes to scratch our old wounds and put salt on it from time to time by floating such hopes near aero india

Sounds like click bait .
How will tedbf become interim solution to mk2?? When mk2 is nearing roll out while tebdf isn't even formally sanctioned!!
Forget about the airforce varient!!

 

[Indianhawk]

India must develop its own resources to be able to take on China and Pakistan at the same time without needing anyone else's help. Because only in that way, India can minimize its casaulties and not be a pawn of someone else's game.

Exactly. This is what Chinese have been doing since past 3-4 decades.

While we develop cutting edge technology like stealth jets in the meantime we should focus on what we are good at and can build quickly for deterrence.

Ballistic missiles build thousands of them from 300 to 3000 km and point all of them china in case of any hostility.

This is exactly how Chinese have kept USA at bay all these years while they developed their military industrial complex .

 

[mist_consecutive]

@Blademaster @shade2

I get your points. Our original discussion was regarding which fighter jet if not Rafale.

Rafale (or whatever import fighter) we get, will only allow us to stall the war and bleed and enemy who has a domestic MIC on overdrive and a 50-years expertise on manufacturing everything on the earth.

Point is F-15E & F-16 Block 80+ and if the budget permits F-35s will be a stop-gap for China steamrolling us.

We have to develop our indigenous fighters. Imports are not a replacement for Tejas, AMCA & ORCA, but just a insurance.

Regarding USA supporting us or not, no country will handhold you. Unless we get into a NATO-type agreement nothing of such sort is going to happen. At max what can happen is friendly countries helping us with weapons, intel and economic support during war, and that will matter hugely.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Their token support is only helping them stall and not turn the tide.

The US scheme is to "bleed Russia", with us it will be to "bleed China", ofc in the process it is the Ukies who are also bleeding now, and will be us in the future

Unlike the Ukies however we have a hostile demographic at home, who won't be recruited to die on the battlefield for obvious reasons...

You can imagine the long term consequences of this.

USA is no one's big brother that they will jump to your rescue without a second thought.

"Bleed China" strategy is good enough deterrence. What we know and learnt from 2020 skirmishes is that China is a cautious enemy, and doesn't play a losing game. The fear that USA will use India for their destruction is a deterrence strong enough for China to reconsider its many decisions.

Better keep the Ching away till we have enough domestic industrial capacity to stave them off ourselves without fully selling out to Uncle Sam, as we build up, it becomes less "easy peasy" for the Ching to attack us and get away with minimal costs.

Again, I have never advocated for dissolving MIC and become permanent lapdogs of foreign powers.

Keeping the China away plan sounds good but unfortunately isn't in our hands but completely depends on what China is planning. Even after goody-goody relations between Modi-Xi nariyal paani in Chennai China didn't even blink once before backstabbing us.

North Korea: 'No apology' for S Korea Cheonan sinking

North Korea rejects South Korean calls for an apology over the sinking of a warship, almost five years after the disaster killed 46 sailors.

www.bbc.com

This is an ancient report from 2015 of the Naarth Koreans sinking a SoKo corvette randomly in 2010.

No "befitting reply" was given from the SoKo to Naarthern brozzers over this, even though public sentiment was fully behind SoKo armed forces punishing the Kim-Jong worshippers.

A cope excuse was given that the SoKo govt was scared of the "Over 9000 Black Artillery Pieces of Kim Jong Un aimed at Seoul", but the truth is the start spangled masters of SoKo didn't allow them to retaliate, behind the scenes, remember it was 2010 and everything was Changa Xi economically in East Asia at the time.

By being US's bitch, you surrender your foreign policy to them, you attack when they tell you to, but you're supposed to take many L's when they forbid you to respond.
And the US can withdraw support at any time, leaving you holding the bag.

Not really informed about what happened during that incident, but what I will say is tit-for-tat reactions are generally never wise.

Well even without being US's bitch we took the last punch on the face vs. Pakistan yet didn't decide to strike back. So I guess strategic autonomy for us is like a beggar with no job mocking salarymen that they don't have any freedom.

Weak is respected by no one.