Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[Asmodeus]

@Aryan Don't know what are you on about..

Against land targets j20 will be more than capable of SEAD, especially against "our" land targets.

I was explaining why this is less probable, but according to you, speaking what is less probable is not allowed because we shot dowm F-16 with mig21. okay, then.

• Underestimate your adversary, save money, war happens, cry that how stupid you were in your assessment
• Overestimate your adversary, waste money, war happens, laugh that how stupid you were in your assessment

I guess you don't know what Love means.. sed
you are talking as if we are ther IAF, if we as nobodys', overestimate or underestimate the chinese, nothing happens. What matters is are we realisitic in our assesment to get a practical picture, or else this forum has no meaning.

 

[Kontakt5]

Chings ones is true stealth with canards?

If I may, the Americans use early production models of the F-35 with slightly decreased stealth capabilities for their aggressors to mimic the J-20. While using F/A-18's for Su-57's.
Despite early production variants of the F-35 being less stealthy than new models, the shaping is the biggest factor in stealth design, and the shape is basically the same. So the Americans at least believe the J-20 is just under the F-35 in stealth capabilities. Take this as you see fit.

 

[samsaptaka]

The Cost of US maal is not in terms of $$$.
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Going all in on US gear is only good if you don't mind having your Foreign Policy controlled from Washington DC and are willing to let your armed forces be their Sepoy in invading random countries across the world.

Well given the OP's history of posts esp. in the china thread, he seems to want us to go completely into the Unkil camp including becoming ourselves a complete abrahamic nation to boot ala SoKo. So there is that

 

[Corvus Splendens]

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[Hari Sud]

India will not see F35; it is not possible with the stringent conditions that the sale will include, if at all the sale is offered.

Hence, does India need stealth fighter that badly that it will go for Russian SU-57. No it is unlikely to happen.

Hence, Trump can offer help to peel India away from Russian hardware.

What Trump will offer is some basic technology and project management help to speed up AMCA development. He may also help better and speedier development of 110 kn engine to reduce the AMCA timeframe from ten years to 7 years.

In addition, India has take the AMCA, out of DRDO and place it directly under PMO with lateral addition of talent from elsewhere including abroad.

That help from America and removal of AMCA from inefficient DRDO will be very useful. Then the clever French could keep their development at home.

 

[shade2]

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1886468320247079114

Let's hope the Rooskies aren't lying this time lol

 

[shade2]

Turkan leaves a bad review for F-35 on Twitter.

Posting this here because with the orange baboon's tantrums, many must be seeing haseen sapne of getting F-35 eventually
ofc after giving the MRFA to F-16

 

[Spitfire IX]

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Turkan leaves a bad review for F-35 on Twitter.

Posting this here because with the orange baboon's tantrums, many must be seeing haseen sapne of getting F-35 eventually
ofc after giving the MRFA to F-16

Buying foreign arms puts potential pressure on a country's foreign policy, doesn't it? I would say that of the countries vying for the MRFA contract, America is the most likely to exert pressure on India's foreign policy.

I would say don't buy a US fighter! Buy something else - preferably Tejas Mk2. The problem with buying Indian, though, is that India talks of making its own fighters but appears to be incapable of actually organising making them. Getting more Rafale is the obvious thing to do, isn't it? ASAP.

If things kick off with China (Taiwan), Modi cannot call Xi and ask for a postponement of a few years because India has allowed IAF to shrink to a few squadrons, only 2 of which are competitive fighters.

 

[shade2]

Buying foreign arms puts potential pressure on a country's foreign policy, doesn't it? I would say that of the countries vying for the MRFA contract, America is the most likely to exert pressure on India's foreign policy.

I would say don't buy a US fighter! Buy something else - preferably Tejas Mk2. The problem with buying Indian, though, is that India talks of making its own fighters but appears to be incapable of actually organising making them. Getting more Rafale is the obvious thing to do, isn't it? ASAP.

If things kick off with China (Taiwan), Modi cannot call Xi and ask for a postponement of a few years because India has allowed IAF to shrink to a few squadrons, only 2 of which are competitive fighters.

Yes, incapable of "making" fighter jets saar
Here is AI made rendering of flying jet saar

 

[Spitfire IX]

Yes, incapable of "making" fighter jets saar
Here is AI made rendering of flying jet saar

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I take it that you have a problem with criticism of the Indian MIC and procurement process.

How many production Tejas has HAL delivered since production started? Remember, these aircraft were supposed to start replacing MiG-21 pre-2000.

How many Tejas Mk2 have been delivered? I remember that production of these was to follow on from last Tejas deliveries of 32 fighters+8 trainers scheduled for 2019.

When was TEDBF planned to fly? A 3 year delay has just been announced. I don't recall if that was for roll out or for first flight.

India, ROK and Turkiye started 5G fighter projects in 2010.

ROK is well organised. KAI KF-21 is in production with first deliveries scheduled for next year.

Turkiye is well organised. TAI has flown KAAN prototype P0. Further prototypes are scheduled for this year.

The AMCA received the go ahead for prototype construction and testing in March 2024. After many years no agreement has been organised to develop a 110K engine for use in AMCA Mk2. No company has been organised to build AMCA.

Some examples of how India is disorganised and does not appear able to do anything on time. Its project management needs to get organised so that instead of talking about making fighters, India actually makes them.

Have any of the fighter projects succeeded? Timewise, no. But Tejas Mk1A looks like it will be a good, albeit range-limited, payload-limited, light fighter/interceptor. I think that Mk2 will be a much better fighter. When will IAF receive it? Who knows outside of those involved in the project.? Rollout had been speculated for 2022 to celebrate 75 years of independence, was scheduled for 2023, was re-scheduled to 2024, was re-re-scheduled to 2025. Let's hope it rolls out this year.

By the way, has a company to build Tejas Mk2 been organised yet?

 

[rockdog]

J20 is meant for shoot and scoot against US navy and airborne force multipliers which will be defended by F35's and Aegis along with 4th gen fighters.
You ain't gonna do SEAD against a navy.

Against land targets j20 will be more than capable of SEAD, especially against "our" land targets.

J20 & J16, Possible SEAD lineup

 

[randombully]

J20 & J16, Possible SEAD lineup

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Can it fill ARM missile, inside it's weapons bay? Or have to carry it externally?

 

[rockdog]

Can it fill ARM missile, inside it's weapons bay? Or have to carry it externally?

Quite possible inside

 

[randombully]

Quite possible inside

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So they are making it multirole from air superiority,
Previously I was thinking PLAAF will buy j35 as multirole and j20 will be dedicated air superiority( can still do multirole if needed, with external load).
But with this it looks like there's not much need for j35 in airforce, what are the chances of plaaf buying j35?

 

[rockdog]

So they are making it multirole from air superiority,
Previously I was thinking PLAAF will buy j35 as multirole and j20 will be dedicated air superiority( can still do multirole if needed, with external load).
But with this it looks like there's not much need for j35 in airforce, what are the chances of plaaf buying j35?

News said: PLAAF testing wing is speeding up trials of J35A.

Which means Navy version would be named as J35C.

PLAAF might be not urgent since it has full speed production of J20.

And SAC so far might need bring 100 J35C for navy as first priority in coming yrs. And Pakistan AF might treated 24 to 36 as 2nd batch.

If you count 24 J35C for each AC from 001, 002, 003 and 004 already in shipyard.

 

[randombully]

News said: PLAAF testing wing is speeding up trials of J35A.

Which means Navy version would be named as J35C.

PLAAF might be not urgent since it has full speed production of J20.

And SAC so far might need bring 100 J35C for navy as first priority in coming yrs. And Pakistan AF might treated 24 to 36 as 2nd batch.

If you count 24 J35C for each AC from 001, 002, 003 and 004 already in shipyard.

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So looks like plaaf will still buy them.

 

[shade2]

Mirage 2000 crashed in Shivpuri, MP, both pilots ejected safely

Air Force's Mirage 2000 Fighter Jet Crashes Near Shivpuri In Madhya Pradesh

A twin-seater Mirage 2000 fighter aircraft of the Indian Air Force (IAF) crashed today near Shivpuri in Madhya Pradesh while it was on a routine training sortie.

www.ndtv.com

 

[Indianhawk]

Mirage 2000 crashed in Shivpuri, MP, both pilots ejected safely

Air Force's Mirage 2000 Fighter Jet Crashes Near Shivpuri In Madhya Pradesh

A twin-seater Mirage 2000 fighter aircraft of the Indian Air Force (IAF) crashed today near Shivpuri in Madhya Pradesh while it was on a routine training sortie.

www.ndtv.com

With this I guess crash record is almost similar for mig29 and mirage of airforce.

 

[shade2]

With this I guess crash record is almost similar for mig29 and mirage of airforce.

If only they'd made the decision of inducting a certain """"MiG 21++++++""""" earlier and in good numbers, the pilots wouldn't have to fly these life-hazard jets that are way past their retirement age.

We are seeing these crashes now but you see last years gallantry awards and there are citations of Chad Pilots saving these geriatric planes with the control surfaces not working or the canopy flying off and other such situations, we don't know how many such other "near crash" scenarios might have occurred, but chad pilot actions might have prevented crashes.

 

[Indianhawk]

If only they'd made the decision of inducting a certain """"MiG 21++++++""""" earlier and in good numbers, the pilots wouldn't have to fly these life-hazard jets that are way past their retirement age.

We are seeing these crashes now but you see last years gallantry awards and there are citations of Chad Pilots saving these geriatric planes with the control surfaces not working or the canopy flying off and other such situations, we don't know how many such other "near crash" scenarios might have occurred, but chad pilot actions might have prevented crashes.

These mirages have just been upgraded that too at almost 50 million each !