Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[Charlie]

Keep on getting new dates then, if you think anything will change in PSU it will not, now I not blaming the talent, most of the guys are very talented and will be swooped up by private industry but the culture in there is just not changing.

If you think TEJAS mk1 is just being delayed because of GE, then they are taking you for a ride, it’s one of the problems not the only problem.

Well of course all blame is not on PSU and there is user issues as well but you have to start from somewhere.

kickbacks are everywhere in some form or other you just need to equip Indian private industry enough to do that for generals to prefer them.

This is something no one will say openly but will end up happening

As I said before tejas is not being delayed just because of GE engine.

Keep blaming the airforce calling it an import airforce, but reality is quite different, we need a competitive system integrator from the private sector and should be on cost + profit bases like f35 contract

Let them build the same plane rather then allowing HAL to keep adding assembly lines.


View: https://youtu.be/CE1nIop1zFc?si=7plbywYgNA5ldJ4H

 

[randombully]

As I said before tejas is not being delayed just because of GE engine.

Keep blaming the airforce calling it an import airforce, but reality is quite different, we need a competitive system integrator from the private sector and should be on cost + profit bases like f35 contract

Let them build the same plane rather then allowing HAL to keep adding assembly lines.


View: https://youtu.be/CE1nIop1zFc?si=7plbywYgNA5ldJ4H

Hal does final assembly, lots of components including all the sections of fuselage are biult by "private"subcontractors of HAL

 

[bruno]

Can you help me to understand what does he means by Tejas MK1A can be called like that only by name and not my capability?
He talked about stuff with systems in the video, but not sure to understand everything... Is he talking about integration issue ? Like it's not a matter of hardware only but about integration and software ?

 

[ezsasa]

As I said before tejas is not being delayed just because of GE engine.

Keep blaming the airforce calling it an import airforce, but reality is quite different, we need a competitive system integrator from the private sector and should be on cost + profit bases like f35 contract

Let them build the same plane rather then allowing HAL to keep adding assembly lines.


View: https://youtu.be/CE1nIop1zFc?si=7plbywYgNA5ldJ4H

every time a new piece of information or news or scenario comes up, theoretical bulldozing the existing fundamentals can't be the premise of the discourse.

as things stands today, even private sector cannot fulfil air chief's delivery schedule, simply because a lot of things are happening in parallel. there are things happening literally for the first time that haven't happened before in this country. it would be stupid of any private company, to take up aircraft integration without the completion of design, integration and certification of all components and weapon systems.

let's see what happens with tata's C-295 integration, obviously we all want them to succeed. their success in that deal would mean the country will be one step closer to a private company taking up aircraft assembly/integration.

just like forces prefer "proven technologies", private companies prefer to bet on stabilised and proven business models because they have shareholders to answer to.

this is just the first decade of private companies getting to take on large contracts, let's not be hasty to assume we the fanboys know all the variables that are in play.

 

[Ayan Barat]

This news has already made to the top headlines of major news sites. In coming days this IAF Vs HAL is only going to get messier with everyone from YouTubers to FanBois to Brats everyone jumping to it.

So, in case you want an unbiased opinion about who's really at faults for this Tejas debacle then consult this masterpiece of mine

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[TumAapHum]

Its time GoI get their head outta their asx and order Su-57. HAL can transition from Su-30 to FGFA production while we let ADA/DODO do their thing with private production partners and target a more manageable 2050+ introduction timeline for AMCA, just in time for LCA replacement. LMAO!!

 

[Charlie]

every time a new piece of information or news or scenario comes up, theoretical bulldozing the existing fundamentals can't be the premise of the discourse.

as things stands today, even private sector cannot fulfil air chief's delivery schedule, simply because a lot of things are happening in parallel. there are things happening literally for the first time that haven't happened before in this country. it would be stupid of any private company, to take up aircraft integration without the completion of design, integration and certification of all components and weapon systems.

let's see what happens with tata's C-295 integration, obviously we all want them to succeed. their success in that deal would mean the country will be one step closer to a private company taking up aircraft assembly/integration.

just like forces prefer "proven technologies", private companies prefer to bet on stabilised and proven business models because they have shareholders to answer to.

this is just the first decade of private companies getting to take on large contracts, let's not be hasty to assume we the fanboys know all the variables that are in play.

Well I can tell right now it’s unfair you give psu 60 years to setup and still support them when they don’t deliver but use a different yard stick for private industry. Give them some time to mature they won’t take even 1\4 of the time.

If you are expecting private firms to put their own money, then it’s never gonna happen, we need private defence contractors before defence companies as of now.

We need our L3 Harris, Raytheon and Lockheed Martin before wishing for Anduril.

Why do you think mmrca airforce is keen on, getting fighter is one thing but the airforce solves one more issue that’s the monopoly of the HAL.

I believe in indigenous system as well but not the inefficiency.

C295 will progress well, as you said they have to respond to shareholders,

Read between the lines when airforce people talk about.