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Is President Donald Trump about to make 'F-35 for India' his new flagship project in the India-U.S. defence trade space? The new American President's recent insistence on India significantly increasing its procurement of U.S. security equipment in his opening conversation with Indian Prime...

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Article describing patrakar's Haseen Sapna of Dolund offering us F-35

Then Dolund will snap his fingers, patrakar wakes up and sees on his phone
"BREAKING NEWS : TRUMP ASKS INDIAN GOVT TO BUY 114 F-16 OR FACE SANCTIONS"

 

[ArjunMK1A]

I have one argument to suggest.. J20 is highly manueverable like F-22 hence the canards right? J-20 flew somewhere around 2010. so Chini should be able to build stealth jet without canards based on J20 for added stealth if they want to. if you have F-22 class jet why would one go backwards to build twin engine F-35 with stolen tech?? unless J-20 isn't as stealthy, or Chong's stealth improvements don't match US. its same as after building AMCA we would do espionage to build F-35 again. Doesn't make sense to me.

Based on my Armchair brain. J-20 is the stepping stone for Chinaman to test 5th Gen technologies like IWB, Luneberg lens, Sensors etc. They may have some limitation at that time maybe hence few compromise like Canards.

Now you can see the J-35 which is more in-line with current 5th Gen or the undertesting J-36 which is even a new territory.

Unfortunately UNGENROLS were hard skulled and will ask for an Russian/American/French Unicorn.

 

[Nutcracker]

twin engine F-35 with stolen tech

It's literally a PLA Navy first program. J20 is not carrier capable, or can't be made into.

 

[randombully]

I have one argument to suggest.. J20 is highly manueverable like F-22 hence the canards right? J-20 flew somewhere around 2010. so Chini should be able to build stealth jet without canards based on J20 for added stealth if they want to. if you have F-22 class jet why would one go backwards to build twin engine F-35 with stolen tech?? unless J-20 isn't as stealthy, or Chong's stealth improvements don't match US. its same as after building AMCA we would do espionage to build F-35 again. Doesn't make sense to me.

J20 is not as stealthy as f22 just based on shape, but it still is stealthy enough to be called a "5th gen stealth fighter", there's a reason PLAAF plans 500+ of these big boys.

As for j35, it's mainly built for chinky navy, as j20 is not suitable, to make j20 suitable for naval operations it would have required complete design overhaul with folding wings but at the same time they had fc-31 prototype which was much more smaller and carrier friendly so if they have to redesign a fighter this one was better choice.
This was also a decision to help shenyang as they invested money in fc31 only to lost to j20 in airforce tender.
Now there is also a land based version of j35 called j35A/j31 so chink airforce could also buy it, but right now no confirmation or news of PLAAF showing interest, so most likely for export.

 

[Asmodeus]

J20 is not as stealthy as f22 just based on shape, but it still is stealthy enough to be called a "5th gen stealth fighter", there's a reason PLAAF plans 500+ of these big boys.

TBH I don't see any reason, Chongs do it because they can. it was the similar case with j10 as well. They have hundreds of them.
But you are missing the bigger point i made, J-20 is for shoot and scoot in air, it is not made for SEAD or deep penetration mission people claim to be. Their devlopement of pl17 and pl21 is a testament to that. ofc J35 is a naval variant and all. but J20 remains LO not VLO.

 

[randombully]

TBH I don't see any reason, Chongs do it because they can. it was the similar case with j10 as well. They have hundreds of them.
But you are missing the bigger point i made, J-20 is for shoot and scoot in air, it is not made for SEAD or deep penetration mission people claim to be. Their devlopement of pl17 and pl21 is a testament to that. ofc J35 is a naval variant and all. but J20 remains LO not VLO.

J20 is meant for shoot and scoot against US navy and airborne force multipliers which will be defended by F35's and Aegis along with 4th gen fighters.
You ain't gonna do SEAD against a navy.

Against land targets j20 will be more than capable of SEAD, especially against "our" land targets.

 

[Asmodeus]

J20 is meant for shoot and scoot against US navy and airborne force multipliers which will be defended by F35's and Aegis along with 4th gen fighters.
You ain't gonna do SEAD against a navy.

Against land targets j20 will be more than capable of SEAD, especially against "our" land targets.

There is absolutely no way j20 will be used against US navy, its a joke to even think with that humengous IR signature. It won't know from where it was downed by IR missile.
Against our 'Land' Targets it isn't stealthy enough to penetrate specially with that tiny fuel capacity and ineficient engines. Its more than enough when defending though against both. But I love how you are overestimating its capabilities.

 

[randombully]

There is absolutely no way j20 will be used against US navy, its a joke to even think with that humengous IR signature. It won't know from where it was downed by IR missile.
Against our 'Land' Targets it isn't stealthy enough to penetrate specially with that tiny fuel capacity and ineficient engines. Its more than enough when defending though against both. But I love how you are overestimating its capabilities.

@Ayan Barat bhai smajhao isko.

 

[Ayan Barat]

There is absolutely no way j20 will be used against US navy, its a joke to even think with that humengous IR signature. It won't know from where it was downed by IR missile.

"There is absolutely no way MiG-21 will be used against F-16, it's a joke to even think with this antique platform. It won't know from where it was downed by AMRAAM"
And yet we used MiGs against PAF F-16s.

So if war breaks out today then J-20 would be their primer fighter not because it can do this and that but because it's the best they've. And if indeed US Navy is concerned then it'll consist primarily of F/A-18E/F; not F-35s.

Against our 'Land' Targets it isn't stealthy enough to penetrate specially with that tiny fuel capacity and ineficient engines. Its more than enough when defending though against both.

It's a pure air-dominance fighter my Guy, just like F-22. These planes are made around 4-6x BVR-AAMs and 2x WVR-AAMs. The only scenario they might carry a bomb is if it's an emergency where there's no other platform available or maybe it's on a nuclear attack mission. So why would a plane that's supposed to carry only air to air missile even bother about land targets?

These planes are supposed to keep the sky clear so that the second wave of 4th gen fighters like J-16s can pummel the ground.

But I love how you are overestimating its capabilities.

• Underestimate your adversary, save money, war happens, cry that how stupid you were in your assessment
• Overestimate your adversary, waste money, war happens, laugh that how stupid you were in your assessment

So it's just a question of what kind of face you wanna make after a war; or
Baaki it's up to you

 

[Asmodeus]

@Aryan Don't know what are you on about..

Against land targets j20 will be more than capable of SEAD, especially against "our" land targets.

I was explaining why this is less probable, but according to you, speaking what is less probable is not allowed because we shot dowm F-16 with mig21. okay, then.

• Underestimate your adversary, save money, war happens, cry that how stupid you were in your assessment
• Overestimate your adversary, waste money, war happens, laugh that how stupid you were in your assessment

I guess you don't know what Love means.. sed
you are talking as if we are ther IAF, if we as nobodys', overestimate or underestimate the chinese, nothing happens. What matters is are we realisitic in our assesment to get a practical picture, or else this forum has no meaning.

 

[Kontakt5]

Chings ones is true stealth with canards?

If I may, the Americans use early production models of the F-35 with slightly decreased stealth capabilities for their aggressors to mimic the J-20. While using F/A-18's for Su-57's.
Despite early production variants of the F-35 being less stealthy than new models, the shaping is the biggest factor in stealth design, and the shape is basically the same. So the Americans at least believe the J-20 is just under the F-35 in stealth capabilities. Take this as you see fit.

 

[samsaptaka]

The Cost of US maal is not in terms of $$$.
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Going all in on US gear is only good if you don't mind having your Foreign Policy controlled from Washington DC and are willing to let your armed forces be their Sepoy in invading random countries across the world.

Well given the OP's history of posts esp. in the china thread, he seems to want us to go completely into the Unkil camp including becoming ourselves a complete abrahamic nation to boot ala SoKo. So there is that

 

[Corvus Splendens]

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[Hari Sud]

India will not see F35; it is not possible with the stringent conditions that the sale will include, if at all the sale is offered.

Hence, does India need stealth fighter that badly that it will go for Russian SU-57. No it is unlikely to happen.

Hence, Trump can offer help to peel India away from Russian hardware.

What Trump will offer is some basic technology and project management help to speed up AMCA development. He may also help better and speedier development of 110 kn engine to reduce the AMCA timeframe from ten years to 7 years.

In addition, India has take the AMCA, out of DRDO and place it directly under PMO with lateral addition of talent from elsewhere including abroad.

That help from America and removal of AMCA from inefficient DRDO will be very useful. Then the clever French could keep their development at home.

 

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Let's hope the Rooskies aren't lying this time lol

 

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Turkan leaves a bad review for F-35 on Twitter.

Posting this here because with the orange baboon's tantrums, many must be seeing haseen sapne of getting F-35 eventually
ofc after giving the MRFA to F-16

 

[Spitfire IX]

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Turkan leaves a bad review for F-35 on Twitter.

Posting this here because with the orange baboon's tantrums, many must be seeing haseen sapne of getting F-35 eventually
ofc after giving the MRFA to F-16

Buying foreign arms puts potential pressure on a country's foreign policy, doesn't it? I would say that of the countries vying for the MRFA contract, America is the most likely to exert pressure on India's foreign policy.

I would say don't buy a US fighter! Buy something else - preferably Tejas Mk2. The problem with buying Indian, though, is that India talks of making its own fighters but appears to be incapable of actually organising making them. Getting more Rafale is the obvious thing to do, isn't it? ASAP.

If things kick off with China (Taiwan), Modi cannot call Xi and ask for a postponement of a few years because India has allowed IAF to shrink to a few squadrons, only 2 of which are competitive fighters.

 

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Buying foreign arms puts potential pressure on a country's foreign policy, doesn't it? I would say that of the countries vying for the MRFA contract, America is the most likely to exert pressure on India's foreign policy.

I would say don't buy a US fighter! Buy something else - preferably Tejas Mk2. The problem with buying Indian, though, is that India talks of making its own fighters but appears to be incapable of actually organising making them. Getting more Rafale is the obvious thing to do, isn't it? ASAP.

If things kick off with China (Taiwan), Modi cannot call Xi and ask for a postponement of a few years because India has allowed IAF to shrink to a few squadrons, only 2 of which are competitive fighters.

Yes, incapable of "making" fighter jets saar
Here is AI made rendering of flying jet saar

 

[Spitfire IX]

Yes, incapable of "making" fighter jets saar
Here is AI made rendering of flying jet saar

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I take it that you have a problem with criticism of the Indian MIC and procurement process.

How many production Tejas has HAL delivered since production started? Remember, these aircraft were supposed to start replacing MiG-21 pre-2000.

How many Tejas Mk2 have been delivered? I remember that production of these was to follow on from last Tejas deliveries of 32 fighters+8 trainers scheduled for 2019.

When was TEDBF planned to fly? A 3 year delay has just been announced. I don't recall if that was for roll out or for first flight.

India, ROK and Turkiye started 5G fighter projects in 2010.

ROK is well organised. KAI KF-21 is in production with first deliveries scheduled for next year.

Turkiye is well organised. TAI has flown KAAN prototype P0. Further prototypes are scheduled for this year.

The AMCA received the go ahead for prototype construction and testing in March 2024. After many years no agreement has been organised to develop a 110K engine for use in AMCA Mk2. No company has been organised to build AMCA.

Some examples of how India is disorganised and does not appear able to do anything on time. Its project management needs to get organised so that instead of talking about making fighters, India actually makes them.

Have any of the fighter projects succeeded? Timewise, no. But Tejas Mk1A looks like it will be a good, albeit range-limited, payload-limited, light fighter/interceptor. I think that Mk2 will be a much better fighter. When will IAF receive it? Who knows outside of those involved in the project.? Rollout had been speculated for 2022 to celebrate 75 years of independence, was scheduled for 2023, was re-scheduled to 2024, was re-re-scheduled to 2025. Let's hope it rolls out this year.

By the way, has a company to build Tejas Mk2 been organised yet?