Indian Air Force: News & Discussions


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It is a legit requirement. PSUs ,DRDO programme are all running late. Tejas mk 2 won't get inducted before 2030 atleast. Amca by ADA's own estimate is atleast 10 yrs delay. What do we do till then if pak were to get 5G jets which it will ? Has the govt held Hal, DRDO accountable for delay in development? Frankly govt should first hold itself responsible for the delay in sanctioning funds for Mk2 and AMCA. Only a hard whip on all research, production agencies+ generous govt funding will set the house in order and we will probably have some 2-3 yrs early

This has been debated to death - why the programs are running late. They will always be running late because we keep changing the requirements, keep adding new things which brings the agencies to drawing board again. if everything going right then we get stuck with the pricing.

Also, if we sign a 5th Gen place deal today how early we will get the first plane? What are the options available for us.​
 
Bcoz of lackluster attitude regarding
modernisation over past 3.5 decades we have been hit by 2 issues at once (which no other major/professional/serious airforce has faced):

*Falling fighter squadron strength &
* Enemy inducting 5th gen fighters while our own option whether indigenous or imported is nowhere in sight

As to how soon Pakis will induct their 1st 5th gen fighter? I am convinced it would be no later than March 2027... after that our leaders, marshals, media and general populace can keep discussing the poor state of paki economy... which is our favorite timepass cope.
 
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OTOH , the good ACM is telling us there's no offer for F-35 on the table & OTOH we're being told that Paxtan will be featuring the FC-31 soon which means we need a 5th Gen FA pronto.

However the IAF in its wisdom has deemed the 4.5th Gen + Rafale good enough to handle the J-20.

That , till date neither has the IAF nor "sources" close to it or the MoD / GoI - read "corridors of power" like Shishir Gupta of HT or ANI have ever spoken of the Su-57 should tell those advocating for it what the aforementioned entities think of the Russian plane .

Make out of it what you can or connect the dots .
 
OTOH , the good ACM is telling us there's no offer for F-35 on the table & OTOH we're being told that Paxtan will be featuring the FC-31 soon which means we need a 5th Gen FA pronto.

However the IAF in its wisdom has deemed the 4.5th Gen + Rafale good enough to handle the J-20.

That , till date neither has the IAF nor "sources" close to it or the MoD / GoI - read "corridors of power" like Shishir Gupta of HT or ANI have ever spoken of the Su-57 should tell those advocating for it what the aforementioned entities think of the Russian plane .

Make out of it what you can or connect the dots .
I think more than F35, IAF wants Rafale. In fact it has been treating the Russian assets like stepchildren for quite some time now. We could have had a couple of squadrons of Super Sukhoi if the IAF were serious about it, but we have none at hand, which says a lot about the IAF's preference.

Given the Chief's comments and reports, one can deduce that IAF wants Rafle in MMRCA not only as a fighter but also to crush HAL's monopoly by having it manufactured by a private player. They would risk not having Su 57 and F35 for the time being, if Rafale is produced in large numbers(100+ ) by private Indian MIC
 

Lmao he wants a trip in it, but I guess unfortunately LM does not have a twin seater F35 ever built. (No pic I could found)

It's getting annoying now. These vardi walas are more loyal to their fellow vardi wala than nation.
Has any top ranked OROP Jurnail made media appearances and told how step-motherly treatment LCA recieved in contrast to IAF opening their all orifices in favour of substandard foreign maal.
 
Lmao he wants a trip in it, but I guess unfortunately LM does not have a twin seater F35 ever built.

It's getting annoying now. These vardi walas are more loyal to their fellow vardi wala than nation.
Has any top ranked OROP Jurnail made media appearances and told how step-motherly treatment LCA recieved in contrast to IAF opening their all orifices in favour of substandard foreign maal.
He did mention about changes in SQR for Tejas which led to further delays.
 
He did mention about changes in SQR for Tejas which led to further delays.
Common man doesn't understand what SQR is, they won't even get that it's IAF causing delays, they only remembers him yapping majja nahi aya. Their dire situation is not making of 1 year's engine delay, yet his loudmouth attitude has diverted all blame towards HAL. What is he doing about awacs, refueler, ISR , elint platforms ?
 
Most of the purchases may well have been done in the Pappu Sr era but they were mostly negotiated for or initiated during IGs era.

Clutterji is devastating in his punchline & this is an indictment on Leaderji's defence policies. Apart from gestures & anodyne statements every Diwali or Dusshera where he marches off to remote locations to spend time with them being filmed to glory by every news channel in India he's actually not reformed the system SUBSTANTIALLY in any way whatsoever.

To make matters worse the only one effective DM he's had in his cabinet the late MP bolted to Goa the first chance he got with the result his predecessors or successors have mostly been place holders reflecting in the policies & actions of the MoD.

Apparently talk is the MRFA tender is to be revived . Furthermore defence reforms will entail that procurement procedures lasting a decade or more will now HAVE to be closed in a couple of years at the most , Israel style , where no requirements last for more than 2-3 years meaning that official requirements once issued by the armed forces are met either thru local mfg or by buying from external sources within 2-3 years.

Marry the 2 together & you could have an agreement on the MRFA by 2028 whereas we're supposed to go up against China by 2030 .

Why wasn't this done all these years then especially since the previous ACM Chaudhari was adamant he wanted the MRFA tender expedited ?

Shows us the seriousness of this administration on such a critical matter of one of the arms of our forces confronted as we are by 2 N powers at our borders where those borders are live & expected to get more alive if there's such a term or livelier , in the next few years.

Absolutely pathetic state of affairs !
 
I think more than F35, IAF wants Rafale. In fact it has been treating the Russian assets like stepchildren for quite some time now. We could have had a couple of squadrons of Super Sukhoi if the IAF were serious about it, but we have none at hand, which says a lot about the IAF's preference.

Given the Chief's comments and reports, one can deduce that IAF wants Rafle in MMRCA not only as a fighter but also to crush HAL's monopoly by having it manufactured by a private player. They would risk not having Su 57 and F35 for the time being, if Rafale is produced in large numbers(100+ ) by private Indian MIC
IAF wants Fifth Gen jet and if pak acquires then we will have to go for 5th gen F35/ Su-57. IAF wants Rafale ( not peacemeal 18-36 orders but 72-114 MRFA).
 
IAF wants Fifth Gen jet and if pak acquires then we will have to go for 5th gen F35/ Su-57. IAF wants Rafale ( not peacemeal 18-36 orders but 72-114 MRFA).
Correct, Rafale to break HAL's monopoly, build quality/quantity while F35/57 as a 5th gen Stopgap. But Rafale is still the top most priority ahead of 5th Gens imv
 
Correct, Rafale to break HAL's monopoly, build quality/quantity while F35/57 as a 5th gen Stopgap. But Rafale is still the top most priority ahead of 5th Gens
HAL has monopoly because India private sector is busy in screwdrivergiri 🪛. HAL is just lead integrated for MK1A with all major sub systems are manufactured by private partners. HAL is ready to give up assembly lines to private players for MK2 production and for AMCA private players wasted 3 years and now govt back to HAL but govt still trying for PPP.
Rafale price is almost similar to F35 in overall acquisition and if IAF selects F35 then it’s curtains for Rafale. IAF wants Rafale in numbers and it doesn’t make any sense to procure 4.5+ gen jet over 5th gen jet in numbers.
 
Correct, Rafale to break HAL's monopoly, build quality/quantity while F35/57 as a 5th gen Stopgap. But Rafale is still the top most priority ahead of 5th Gens imv
We're not getting the F-35. Period. The very fact the ACM- IAF has now made a public announcement stating there's no offer on the table should tell you their thinking else he would've qualified his statement with - there's no offer on the table but since President Trump has indicated the US can offer us the F-35 , we'd be approaching the DoD for further clarifications. Neither has the MoD or any one in the Cabinet made such an observation.

Bottom line - the status quo persists. USAF won't offer us the F-35 directly expecting us to approach them & we won't approach them directly nor would we be taking their baits on indirect offers. End of story.
 
We're not getting the F-35. Period. The very fact the ACM- IAF has now made a public announcement stating there's no offer on the table should tell you their thinking else he would've qualified his statement with - there's no offer on the table but since President Trump has indicated the US can offer us the F-35 , we'd be approaching the DoD for further clarifications. Neither has the MoD or any one in the Cabinet made such an observation.

Bottom line - the status quo persists. USAF won't offer us the F-35 directly expecting us to approach them & we won't approach them directly nor would we be taking their baits on indirect offers. End of story.
Trump offered F35 because Russians were offering Su 57 joint production and engine development. If we consider to go for fifth gen jets then trump will dangle F35. Also since Trump has announced US DoD will surely offer F35 to us to save the face of POTUS.
 
Trump offered F35 because Russians were offering Su 57 joint production and engine development. If we consider to go for fifth gen jets then trump will dangle F35. Also since Trump has announced US DoD will surely offer F35 to us to save the face of POTUS.
You are extremely naive if you think Trump is serious about it. You can't take anything that comes out of Orange Baboon's mouth seriously.
 
You are extremely naive if you think Trump is serious about it. You can't take anything that comes out of Orange Baboon's mouth seriously.
All the QUAD members operate F35 except India and trump means business. He just wants business to his MIC and F35 sale to India can easily fetch billions. You can’t take anything seriously from his mouth but he is arm twisting us by hugging Modi for his benefits and now tariffs deadline issued despite reducing import duties.
 
All the QUAD members operate F35 except India and trump means business. He just wants business to his MIC and F35 sale to India can easily fetch billions. You can’t take anything seriously from his mouth but he is arm twisting us by hugging Modi for his benefits and now tariffs deadline issued despite reducing import duties.
But buying F35 would be a disaster for IAF. It is an excellent platform, but we have never operated American fighter aircraft before and we won't be able to integrate it with our Air Force. If bought, it will work as a standalone platform in a silo. We can't this logistical nightmare for the next 4 decades.
 

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