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After Sukhoi, 3 more jets to be mated with BrahMos - The Tribune
MiG 29, Mirage & Tejas will carry ‘next generation’ missile.www.tribuneindia.com
No one is getting crazy on their stealth aspectGuys stop going crazy about Stealth jets before you actually ever SEE a stealth jet do penetration missions against at least a peer competitor or near-peer competitor ADS system.
Like wot de foc - what has stealth actually done in terms of actual war performance to merit such panic ? Heck, Israel *HAS* F35s and they have not announced a SINGLE deep strike mission in Iran with their stealth jet and Iran has far shittier ADS on paper than Pakis.
Yes,stealth gives us more tools to play with, but our ADS is no joke and if nobody has used stealth against anyone with a mediocre ADS like Iran, why are we going 'omg omg' with Stealth ??
We need numbers first and foremost. Pump up the Squadron numbers to 40 or so with tejas 1&2 +Su-30 combos and only then worry about stealth as it comes online for us.
I am not exactly sure WTF we need stealth jets so bad for - we are not going to bomb Chengdu by air lanchedin next 50 years, if ever. At best it will be blow up Chinese military infrastructure 500km-1000km inside tibet. For that, we again launch from over our air space or Bhutan air space- which is our air space in combat scenario.
We are far more interested in busting stealth and neutralizing Stealth jets - which is not impossible on paper- than we are in getting stealth, fyi.
people who often go RCS signature crap forget, this isnt magic - you dont become invisible in all radio frequency spectrum. If you go stealth mode in VLF, you may just become even more visible in ELF because guess what - the funky shape you do actually doesnt deflect away or absorb the ELF frequencies. Sure, ELF is used for low resolution weather radar and stealth jets are invisible to active combat radar frequences on ground or air at VLF, but i am sure there are people much smarter than me trying to figure out or have already figured out how to make this simple EM frequency reality translate into spotting stealth jets.
"On the contrary, the Americans use F/A-18 and F-16 in Su-57 camo pattern for aggressors as the Russians.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk03RJCTWq8
(I can't find the original source, but M7 made a video on it)
About J20, it's a decent LO Air superiority fighter, IG.
Size is Inconsequential if you can mask your radar return to the required extent, so is manoeuvrability.
In the case of a J20, it was designed to be a long-range sniper, and that's what it is. (Lack of Gun goes to show what Chinkis had in mind when creating it)
Canards of J20 make such an angle that it reflects the radar waves away, its belly is smoother than F-35, one could call its belly underwhelming compared to F-35.
Engines' nozzles are serrated to minimise radar returns, Canards are serrated(IIRC, not sure about canard serration)
Modern fighters can control the angle of their canards to reduce radar return
Though not as stealthy, it has the same order of RCS return as the F-35 at least in frontal aspect and has a larger(about 1800+ T/R module antenna) 3rd gen AESA(claimed by the Chinese) and should have a decent EW capability(there is no way that huge ass plane got no Integrated(Internal) EW suite/Active stealth capability
Also note that the median RCS is without RAM and all around, and not just frontal.
F-35 vs J-20 vs Su-57 Summary
Introduction Previously, we have done HFSS simulation to evaluate the mean and median radar cross section as well as the radar scattering pattern of the four common stealth fighters namely F-35A, S…basicsaboutaerodynamicsandavionics.wordpress.com
And the Newer J20 are coming in with WS-15 engines, can carry 6 PL-15 in IWB( Don't remember if it's with newer PL-15E missiles, if no, then this could go higher to 8 and goated side bay capable of carrying a total of 2WVR missiles
SEAD/DEAD has never been performed by stealth jets against even a mediocre ADS, let alone an advanced ADS like us.
Didn't the a S 300 site get bombed in Iran? I mean Iran could count as a mediocre ADS.
Yes but credit was taken by Israeli F15 and they claimed to've fired without entering Iranian air space.Meaning they did what we did - fire missile at ADS from stand-off distance and not penetrate ADS.
Are you guys dense or something??"On the contrary, the Americans use F/A-18 and F-16 in Su-57 camo pattern for aggressors as the Russians.
This is how you know the American military thinks the Russian fighter is a joke."
hmmm....so making russian su 57 camo pattern on american aircrafts f18 etc means american thinks russian su 57 is joke.....dude what kind of logic is this??
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It’s a missile defence shield
lol...dude they themself ans this in their article.Are you guys dense or something??
Using the F/A-18 and F-16 aggressors to mimic the Su-57 is basically calling it 4.5 gen. Instead of using F-35.
If you guys don’t know, the US often paints their aggressors to match the aircraft they are trying to mimic. So are you saying the Americans are soo impressed with the Su-57 they chose to train fighting against it with their previous gen tech..
U.S. Navy's Adversary F/A-18E Super Hornet Has Been Given A Su-57 Felon Color Scheme
One F/A-18E Super Hornet of VFC-12 now sports a paint scheme inspired by the Russian Su-57 Felon. A U.S. Navy F/A-18E Super Hornet "Red 12", belonging toU.S. Aggressor Jets Adopt Su-57 Paint Scheme to Mimic New Russian Fighter; F-16C and F-18D Emerge in ‘Ghost’ Colours
On May 19th the U.S. Air Force's 64th Aggressor Squadron based at Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada unveiled its first fighter jet, an F-16C Fighting Falcon, in theSecond USAF F-16 Aggressor gets Sukhoi Su-57 Felon “ghost” paint scheme - The Aviation Geek Club
Second USAF F-16 Aggressor gets Sukhoi Su-57 Felon “ghost” paint schemeU.S. Navy Adversary Unit Reveals Super Hornet Masquerading As Russia’s Top Fighter
Navy adversary squadron VFC-12 has unveiled a newly painted F/A-18E that looks like a Su-57 Felon as it commences the overhaul of its fleet.
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Propaganda my ass. The US still simulates training against enemy 4.5gen like su-35, I’m not saying the Su-57 is complete utter garbage. It is however not up to the 5th gen standard. Just because they paint it in camo doesn’t mean it’s for only WVR training, those aircraft with those paint schemes participate in BVR and WVR training, and are put in the specific aggressor squadron for training. If they are performing WVR range for su-57 with hornet, they are using the hornet for BVR as well.lol...dude they themself ans this in their article.
"The new F/A-18E “Red 12” of VFC-12 shows a color scheme sported by the Su-57 prototype nicknamed “White Shark”: it appears to be painted in such a way the silhouette of a Su-57 is seen from distance, a scheme referred to as “Mako”. This reminds what the Russians did on the Su-57 with bort number 053 that, wearing a a special pixelated camouflage on the underside of the aircraft that mimics the plan view shape of the Hunter remotely piloted aircraft, was seen at MAKS 2019".
"Aggressor jets are quite popular for sporting eye-catching paint schemes that replicate the camouflage, markings and insignas of Russian and Chinese combat aircraft, so that pilots in training who come within visual range of these adversary jets get the same sight they would see if they were engaging an actual threat. And, as The Aviationist reported in an exclusive story in September 2020, the F-35 are going to be painted with threat representative color schemes."
they did it with F35 also in 2022:-
First F-35A in Aggressors Paint Scheme Unveiled At Nellis AFB
Here's the first Aggressor Lightning II of the 65th AGRS (Aggressor Squadron). On Jun. 9, 2022, the U.S. Air Force reactivated the 65th Aggressors
mocking enemy aircrafts for different reasons by doing its paint jobs, doesnt mean they think its junk. if its junk, why u hv to do all these exercises etc for that junk fighter....this is mainly used for visual range fighting exercise for their pilots. not for beyond visual range fighting of stealth, otherwise no point in painting them. if their pilot cant see from them in a distance. it also proof they r not sure they can defeat su 57 in beyond visual range distance, so they r exercising for visual range fighting with su 57. stop ur propaganda.
lol...so now u shift ur points from "junk fighter" to now "not that good 5 genration fighter"
. did anyone here is saying su57 is comparable with f35 or f22 raptor? atleast not on paper strength. do chinese j20 or j35 is comparable to f35 or f22 on paper? so why we need F35 level capable fighter (specially when we hv no option). american never provide us source code to integrate our missiles etc. even if they agreed they will not ready to integrate F35 with our other fighters (specially russian) or s400. that mean if we will using F35 on a operation, we hv to neither use our s400 or neither russian fighters. coz they can treat each other enemy assets.
J-35 might be stealthier than J20 we don't know the progress Chinese have made in RAMs.lol...so now u shift ur points from "junk fighter" to now "not that good 5 genration fighter"
we need limited su 57 (36-40 approx) to counter pakistan upcoming j35. coz we cant counter chinese 200-300 j20 with only some fighters. for that we hv to make AMCA in good numbers. but it will take its sweet time, so we r in hurry to buy a 5 genration fighter. even a half cooked 5 genration like su 57 is good enough to deal with chinese half cooked 5 genration like j20 or j35.
dont think in a 5 genration fighters fight only better stealth technology play its role. beside this sensors, jamming capabilities, bvr missiles quality, pilot capabilities, defensive mechanism like chaff/flair quality etc also play its rule for final result.
biggest advantage of buying su57 over f35 is its custom ability nd not interference from its buyer country. previously our IAF was planning to counter chinese aircrafts with rafale. if su 57 proof itself more capable than rafale to IAF, then they should definitely buy it.
america pampers pakistan time to time with IAF nd providing them money for different reasons. they r not trust worthy in case of pakistan. coz pakistan is their dog. which they can use against afganistan, iran nd india. so they will never want that pakistan get hardly kicked by indians.
fair enough....but still chinese didnt make a 5 genration engine for their j20 nd j35. so even its stealthy, its old engine hv no suppressors for engine heats. nd their radars can be not fully utilised its capability with less power with older copied chinese engines. if radar isnt that powerful, its stealth advantage of come closer to enemy fighters goes down (if enemy fighter hv capable radars nd infrared sensor/EOT).
