Indian Air Force: News & Discussions (28 Viewers)

[shade2]

If I ever come across a Turkish Anka-3 drone near the Pakistan border, I’ll modify it to start delivering pizzas with it!

Ok saar, will need more advanced hardware than raspberry pi tho

 

[redpanda]

It's not saar, these drones are rc plane pro plus max with explosive warhead or payload and whatever military grade materials used.

Maybe folks like us can get into loitering munitions business

But then again there is no guarantee of government buying those stuff when there are so many options. And civilian drone industry is still not mature enough.

 

[South Block]

View: https://x.com/ShiroBarks/status/1937908237615174128

Is this true?

What all has been sacrificed just to force Govt to order a specific model of French jet?

It’s all internal sabotage......always has been. If you're sitting on a $15 billion budget (IAF) and still find yourself in such a pathetic position, then honestly, nothing can be done here. Period..........Just look at the numbers.......for the price of the last major fighter jet deal, nearly ₹59,000 crore, you could’ve bought around 140 Su-30MKIs at ₹450 crore apiece.......Sure, it’s not a perfect comparison different capabilities, different roles but it highlights how absurd the planning and priorities have been...........The problem isn't funding, it's the complete lack of strategic clarity, accountability, and execution.......... Decision-making is paralyzed, indigenous programs are suffocated, and imported "prestige buys" take precedence over actual capability building............ If this isn’t sabotage from within bureaucratic, procedural, and political then what is ?

 

[redpanda]

It’s all internal sabotage......always has been. If you're sitting on a $15 billion budget (IAF) and still find yourself in such a pathetic position, then honestly, nothing can be done here. Period..........Just look at the numbers.......for the price of the last major fighter jet deal, nearly ₹59,000 crore, you could’ve bought around 140 Su-30MKIs at ₹450 crore apiece.......Sure, it’s not a perfect comparison different capabilities, different roles but it highlights how absurd the planning and priorities have been...........The problem isn't funding, it's the complete lack of strategic clarity, accountability, and execution.......... Decision-making is paralyzed, indigenous programs are suffocated, and imported "prestige buys" take precedence over actual capability building............ If this isn’t sabotage from within bureaucratic, procedural, and political then what is ?

I mean IAF could have order newly built upgraded Su-30 MKI. Like with new radars, newer EW suites, etc.

 

[Ajatshatru]

It’s all internal sabotage......always has been. If you're sitting on a $15 billion budget (IAF) and still find yourself in such a pathetic position, then honestly, nothing can be done here. Period..........Just look at the numbers.......for the price of the last major fighter jet deal, nearly ₹59,000 crore, you could’ve bought around 140 Su-30MKIs at ₹450 crore apiece.......Sure, it’s not a perfect comparison different capabilities, different roles but it highlights how absurd the planning and priorities have been...........The problem isn't funding, it's the complete lack of strategic clarity, accountability, and execution.......... Decision-making is paralyzed, indigenous programs are suffocated, and imported "prestige buys" take precedence over actual capability building............ If this isn’t sabotage from within bureaucratic, procedural, and political then what is ?

Tejas MK1A and MK2 will address all the major challenges once the GE engine issue is resolved.

 

[Ajatshatru]

I mean IAF could have order newly built upgraded Su-30 MKI. Like with new radars, newer EW suites, etc.

Super Su-30MKI, equipped with the AL-41 engine and Indian avionics, can be ordered.

 

[South Block]

I mean IAF could have order newly built upgraded Su-30 MKI. Like with new radars, newer EW suites, etc.

They could have but then someone, somewhere some top military officer, babu, or politician misses out on millions in kickbacks quietly parked in foreign accounts....... It’s never been about national interest, just personal gain wrapped in defence deals.

 

[redpanda]

Tejas MK1A and MK2 will address all the major challenges once the GE engine issue is resolved.

I don't often put pessimistic take but sometime I too think some IAF babooz have a corrupt import khor mindset. And there are similar minded MoD babooz as well. Nothing stops IAF babooz from declaring Tejas Mk1A & Mk2 after limited series production and induction as not good enough. "Maza nayi Aya" Wale drame. Then they will fly some odd 30 Mk1A and Mk2 respectively while asking for more imports..

 

[shade2]

I mean IAF could have order newly built upgraded Su-30 MKI. Like with new radars, newer EW suites, etc.

This is just a figleaf.

Govt is only considering imports now because of literally dropping fighters and squadrons.
If we had a pipeline of 72 MKIs from 2019 they would be least bothered.

In effect the ultimate chindi govt has been forced to open it's wallet because the situation is that dire.

Tejas MK1A and MK2 will address all the major challenges once the GE engine issue is resolved.

Won't be resolved, I can almost see the Orange Baboon placing export controls on GE engine export until "India doesn't import Big, Beautiful quantities of US Wheat, rice, soybean, pulses and milk"

The insistence on using only US or UK engines is a case of possible dalali in and of itself.

I don't often put pessimistic take but sometime I too think some IAF babooz have a corrupt import khor mindset. And there are similar minded MoD babooz as well. Nothing stops IAF babooz from declaring Tejas Mk1A & Mk2 after limited series production and induction as not good enough. "Maza nayi Aya" Wale drame. Then they will fly some odd 30 Mk1A and Mk2 respectively while asking for more imports..

By some miracle if there are no GE engine issues they will say 4.5gen is obsolete, cancel existing order and import F-35 as a stopgap till AMCA is ready.

 

[South Block]

What SB is saying is many IAF babooz have a corrupt import khor mindset. And there are similar minded MoD babooz as well. Nothing stops IAF babooz from declaring Tejas Mk1A & Mk2 after limited series production and induction as not good enough. "Maza nayi Aya" Wale drame. Then they will fly some odd 30 Mk1A and Mk2 respectively while asking for more imports..

They paid 100 million $ for some private entity to put second indian in space......tell all about their mindset & priorities.

 

[redpanda]

They paid 100 million $ for some private entity to put second indian in space......tell all about their mindset & priorities.

While they haven't increased the budget of ISRO for human space mission yet. I don't understand how they expect ISRO to do all of that with the same chindi budget.

 

[shade2]

View: https://x.com/KSingh_1469/status/1936737252920398178

Thoughts of y'all nibbiars

C-295 is ideal replacement for An-32

It has more payload capacity than the an-32 and also a rear ramp door



Will be produced in India and is already ordered so repeat order would be easier rather than jhamela of new tender

I would prefer the C-390 from Embraer but since it can carry LT Zorawar

 

[randombully]

View: https://x.com/KSingh_1469/status/1936737252920398178

Thoughts of y'all nibbiars

C-295 is ideal replacement for An-32

It has more payload capacity than the an-32 and also a rear ramp door

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Will be produced in India and is already ordered so repeat order would be easier rather than jhamela of new tender

I would prefer the C-390 from Embraer but since it can carry LT Zorawar

Were going up in class for replacement.

5 ton capacity avro, replaced by 9ton c295.

7.5 ton capacity an32 being replaced by 18-30 ton capacity mta.

And we need to go up in class, if we wish to sustain decent supplies in high altitude in case of war with China.

 

[shade2]

Does IAF have dedicated EW planes y'all nibbiars? Like these private jet based ones



Or is it only Su30 with EW pods?

 

[redpanda]

Does IAF have dedicated EW planes y'all nibbiars? Like these private jet based ones

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Or is it only Su30 with EW pods?

Tbh I would prefer a growler like platform. These kinds of big birds are quite vulnerable.

 

[randombully]

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Does IAF have dedicated EW planes y'all nibbiars? Like these private jet based ones

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Or is it only Su30 with EW pods?

We have this old ass signit elnit one.

 

[shade2]

Tbh I would prefer a growler like platform. These kinds of big birds are quite vulnerable.

Yes but they seem to be widely available to buy from 5 places including our jewish vendors

As for Pods-on-MKI are there such pods equivalent to growler?

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We have this old ass signit elnit one.

Very sad, we should buy new ones no?
Is there any program for this?

 

[redpanda]

As for Pods-on-MKI are there such pods equivalent to growler?

HAL can turn MKI into something like growler if IAF/MoD babus wish to.

 

[randombully]

Yes but they seem to be widely available to buy from 5 places including our jewish vendors

As for Pods-on-MKI are there such pods equivalent to growler?



Very sad, we should buy new ones no?
Is there any program for this?

Yeah, also future awacs, ISTAR, even Current P8i can perform lots of function of EW planes.
What we need would be a comjam jet( with other multipurpose functions too, signit, elnit, relay node, command node etc)

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[ArjunMK1A]

It’s all internal sabotage......always has been. If you're sitting on a $15 billion budget (IAF) and still find yourself in such a pathetic position, then honestly, nothing can be done here. Period..........Just look at the numbers.......for the price of the last major fighter jet deal, nearly ₹59,000 crore, you could’ve bought around 140 Su-30MKIs at ₹450 crore apiece.......Sure, it’s not a perfect comparison different capabilities, different roles but it highlights how absurd the planning and priorities have been...........The problem isn't funding, it's the complete lack of strategic clarity, accountability, and execution.......... Decision-making is paralyzed, indigenous programs are suffocated, and imported "prestige buys" take precedence over actual capability building............ If this isn’t sabotage from within bureaucratic, procedural, and political then what is ?

IAF purchases were always have political influence. Started from Rajiv Gandhi swedish fetish and then followed by entire Indian Political spectrum (Congress & BJP) coming together to support then Russian factory in Irkutsk, based on the request from Boris Yeltsin.

So in both the scenarios the victim is Mirage 2000. Rajiv Gandhi was screwing up with Saab Viggen and when IAF was going forward with Mirage 2000 orders, we as country decided to help Russians by ordering the SU30 MK which later become MKI.

So, SU30 came in 1999-2000 and then our MMRCA drama started in 2006 and ends up in one of the worst negotiations/mudslinging and then finally G2G in 2015 which is the first purchase after SU 30. Solid 15 years drama.

Now 30 years post SU30 purchase, what considered an non requirement at that time becomes the need of the hour for IAF.

An SU 30 MKI

1. Can carry huge armament in its arsenal. Approx 8.3 tonnes.
2. Can carry 10 Astra MK1
3. Can carry an A for stand off Strikes.
4. Can carry atleast 5+ CATS Hunter for standoff strikes similar to SCALP.
5. Can Launch ALBM like Rudram 3.
6. Being an Twin seater, Apt candidate for Combat Teaming systems like CATS, NSRT Abhimanyu.

Going to its capability, Rafale, MWF, Tejas MK1A and AMCA can't hold candle for the munitions this Ivan is carrying.


But surprisingly IAF is reluctant to order additional aircrafts to increase its numbers. The only answer for this either the cost of maintenance is high and that AL31 is made up of WAX and need constant MTBO. But the situation is basically you are without aircraft against you are with an aircraft with high maintenance/poor MTBO. They should have chosen the latter. But they are not doing anything for the platform which time and again proves highly versatile.

Choinese pretty much have 1000 flankers alone, LOL. USAF have around 500 F15 variants. Meanwhile we are OK with 272 SU 30 MKI.

We should have invested a lot of money on this platform and also it is good time to replace the construction from TI-AL to Composite body which we done for Tejas. Composites will give an lighter aircraft, better with RCS.

But changing to Composite mean the aircraft is officially an new plane and HAL needs to get certification from CEMILAC itself. Also, we may end up with J16 Scenario. But chinaman company Shenyang is ready to provide assurance and done the due diligence. HAL should do the same, since it has been 20+ years after you got ToT for the product.

Additional SU 30 MKI will be useful, when we can change few squadrons into EW planes. Extra planes mean we can take on PLAAF well in Tibet theatre.

But instead we are in the situation where IAF collectively looks clueless and struggles to get on par with PAF which is a shame when you are going against PLAAF.

Also MOD's consistent behavior of cost cutting when you are clearly don't have alternatives is a concern.

View: https://x.com/KSingh_1469/status/1936737252920398178

Thoughts of y'all nibbiars

C-295 is ideal replacement for An-32

It has more payload capacity than the an-32 and also a rear ramp door

View attachment 41410

Will be produced in India and is already ordered so repeat order would be easier rather than jhamela of new tender

I would prefer the C-390 from Embraer but since it can carry LT Zorawar

We should streamline this transport saga.

1. AN32 >>>> C295 (Manufactured in India)
2. C130J + C390 (Embraer is ready for manufacturing in India, get those guys since you are in so called BRICS and you are fiddling around) or C130J factory with same TASL
3. IL76, C17 >>>>> C17 (Boeing is reopening the factory and dangle the carrot with Trump and get the orders for it).

Just C295, C130J, C390 and C17 is enough.