Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[shade2]

We have "frens" everywhere. If Americans blocks us, we buy French, if French block us we buy Russian. We just buy. The civilian exchequer is so risk averse like typical Indians, they wont "gamble" big bucks on R&D, unless it's tech nobody will sell us. Thank god for the missile program.

Missile program exists exactly because nobody would sell us those.

This arms embargo thing could happen in the coming years with deep state gunning for Gobi with their regime change protests, and the Russian going for a sequel of the USSR collapse/dissolution in the future.

The French, Jooz can be arm-twisted into complying and Uncle Sam already has embargo'd us for GE F404

The only counter argument for arms embargo is Bharat's dubious distinction of being the (((world's largest arms impoorter))), which will mean any such embargo would only be temporary.

It really is just better if we get some R&D program for a fighter jet engine with some existing foreign engine set as the performance "target" without it being openly (((linked))) to some actual fighter that is hawked to the <REDACTED>

This should be funded through some "strategic" budget like S4, S5 sub and the ICBM/missile development projects are, funding should be generous and continuous and infra like FTB and all must be domestically acquired.

 

[Ayan Barat]

what is the difference in mounting that Yahudi radar on C-295 vs our mounting it on IL-76, does a large plane bring any advantages?

There are way more informed members on this thread, I'd let them come up with a more exhaustive list. I'd state just one advantage.

Of all the planes in IAF inventory that are actively used, Il-76s have kind of comically severe spare parts issue. Not a big deal for transport as C-17s are already there to complement them...but a big deal because all our aerial refueler and large AWACS are Il-76s.

So one advantage that C-295 would definitely bring is the fact that we've a full fledged assembly line here in India.

 

[Vishnugupt]

From this forum itself, i remember reading that (((GE F404))) was chosen by the Air M*rshlols themselves
(((Delinking))) Kaveri from Tejas then was only inevitable.

Not only that bro.

UN Generals waited 5 years to give Tejas MK1a orders. They had placed orders only after GE stop manufacturing GE-404 engine.

GE has been senting constant reminder to UN Generals about engine lines coming to an end. No fuck was given by UN Generals.

 

[high_IQ_bharatiya_sainik]

Tejas MK1A induction: Late 2025-early 2032 ( follow on orders for 97 tejas will be cancelled )
Tejas MK2 prototype roll-out: Early 2026
Development ends in early 2031 LSP : late 2031
Tejas MK2 1st squadron by late 2033; All deliveries completed by 2037 (optimistic)
TEDBF development with prototype roll-out: Late 2035
TEDBF: 57 delivery schedule: 2036-2042 ( with option for follow-on orders depending on Aircraft Carriers )
AMCA: First LSP inducted into IAF by late 2038 ( optimistic )
AMCA: 40 MK1 operational with IAF by 2043 ( optimistic )

 

[Bleh]

jab bana nahi sakte to kharidna hi padega... It is irony that a country that can land on Moon and Mars, can produce MIRV, PSLV, GSLV but can not produce an engine for aircraft...

Making jet engine is much harder than rockets

 

[mist_consecutive]

@shade2 @Vishnugupt and other members. Kindly keep emotions in check and language civil. Avoid chhapri language and low-iq posting.

We don't want oversensitive veterans hounding us (again) because of your uncouth behaviour.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Y'all nibbiars is there any info about the Air Marshlols looking into this C-295 based AWACS?

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C295 AEW

The C295’s airborne early warning version features IAI/ELTA’s fourth-gen AESA radar and integrated IFF as its primary sensor.

www.airbus.com

Apparently it carries the EL/W-2090 radar that is already in service with the IAF on the IL-76 transport jet

Since we already have a facility to produce these, 12 on order/planned to be acquired for Navy in ASW config

C-295 has bright future ahead. It will probably replace our entire An-32 inventory as well in future. Previously IAF/DRDO experimented with balancing an idli over Avro, so this is a natural evolution of that.

We have "frens" everywhere. If Americans block us, we buy French, if the French block us we buy Russian. We just buy. The civilian exchequer is so risk averse like typical Indians, they wont "gamble" big bucks on R&D, unless it's tech nobody will sell us. Thank god for the missile program.

And that is not a bad thing. Better to have friends than enemies during times of conflict.

Even Russian soviet-era factories can't keep up with attrition of war. Now they are importing weapons from North Korea and Iran, aren't they glad they have such friends ?

There are way more informed members on this thread, I'd let them come up with a more exhaustive list. I'd state just one advantage.

Of all the planes in IAF inventory that are actively used, Il-76s have kind of comically severe spare parts issue. Not a big deal for transport as C-17s are already there to complement them...but a big deal because all our aerial refueler and large AWACS are Il-76s.

So one advantage that C-295 would definitely bring is the fact that we've a full fledged assembly line here in India.

You sure about IL-76s servicability issue ? As what I can see from Flightradar IL-76s / 78s enjoy pretty high > 70% availaiblity rate, which will disprove your spare parts theory.

If parts is the issue then it makes sense why DRDO is using Airbus-320/321 platform for the next generation AEW&S.

 

[Ayan Barat]

You sure about IL-76s servicability issue ? As what I can see from Flightradar IL-76s / 78s enjoy pretty high > 70% availaiblity rate, which will disprove your spare parts theory.

CAG report from 2017

And even today you'd occasionally see tenders for various parts of Il-76; the lastest...

 

[mist_consecutive]

CAG report from 2017
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And even today you'd occasionally see tenders for various parts of Il-76; the lastest...
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2017 was good 8 years away. Not sure this still holds true, but maybe you are correct. I cannot prove it otherwise so let it be.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

2017 was good 8 years away. Not sure this still holds true, but maybe you are correct. I cannot prove it otherwise so let it be.

Russians are no position to supply spares. They are barely keeping their own fleet operational. Bypass the red tape and start fabricating the parts here.

 

[GodEmperorDoom]

Russians are no position to supply spares. They are barely keeping their own fleet operational. Bypass the red tape and start fabricating the parts here.
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It may not be possible without shedding too much money. The Russians are still in 80s/90s hangover into thinking that we are some Agrarian Rookies. They could help us and also help themselves by offloading some of the parts here to maintain spares for us and also themselves. Companies like Dynamatic, Tata, VEM supply to foreign OEMs and it's not like vintage Russian maal is some Aliencraft.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Companies like Dynamatic, Tata, VEM supply to foreign OEMs and it's not like vintage Russian maal is some Aliencraft.

They trade with Russians and they'll lose American contracts like AIM-132 seekers, AH-64 Fuselage, C-130 parts, F-16 wings instantly. We can still buy parts from Russia thanks to our diplomats, but as soon as we start supplying the Russian war machine directly, Predators, Neptunes, GE engines will all get halted or delayed until further diplomatic circus. Russians CAN NOT be the beneficiary of the parts we make here. Too many negatives.

 

[shade2]

@shade2 @Vishnugupt and other members. Kindly keep emotions in check and language civil. Avoid chhapri language and low-iq posting.

We don't want oversensitive veterans hounding us (again) because of your uncouth behaviour.

Ye kya hai, kab hua?

 

[shade2]

Not only that bro.

UN Generals waited 5 years to give Tejas MK1a orders. They had placed orders only after GE stop manufacturing GE-404 engine.

GE has been senting constant reminder to UN Generals about engine lines coming to an end. No fuck was given by UN Generals.

Admirals should be asked by govt about their "system" and the same should be forced upon Generols and Air Marshlols

This drama of (((vendor-customer))) back and forth and over 9000 trials must stop.
Never hear the Admirals giving passive-aggressive threats about "not enough ships saar, ship numbers declining saar"

Imagine atleast 5-10 years back if the Air Marshals would be "satisfied" with Tejas, HAL walas could have setup their 24 jets/year lines then and there, we would not have to hear the whining about self-inflicted declining sqdrn numbers

PAF inducted 200 of those JunkFighter-17s even though it wasn't some J-10 or F-16 wunderwaffe either

 

[shade2]

There are way more informed members on this thread, I'd let them come up with a more exhaustive list. I'd state just one advantage.

Of all the planes in IAF inventory that are actively used, Il-76s have kind of comically severe spare parts issue. Not a big deal for transport as C-17s are already there to complement them...but a big deal because all our aerial refueler and large AWACS are Il-76s.

So one advantage that C-295 would definitely bring is the fact that we've a full fledged assembly line here in India.

Yes that's the main reason ofc, since they have the same platform with assembly line with even Navy and CG getting a few planes, it would be very reasonable to fit those Jewish radars onto this plane, instead of dealing with IL-76 and roosi spares issues.

The Netra awacs radar can also be fitted onto this c-295 unless they have a reason for choosing private jet based body like the current Embraers.