Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[705-Lira]

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Have heard AIM multiple times saying that the GE deal had slow engine delivery in their timeline.
On top of that potshot on HVT

What did he say about HVT sir?

 

[Migflug]

What did he say about HVT sir?

That in the early 2010s he was a su57 simp when the project was scrapped, he became a Tejas simp!

 

[SKC]

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[Blademaster]

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How useful is this buddy buddy refueling? The babus are so stupid and stinging because all it does is tie up one useful combat plane for refueling when it could have been used for combat role

 

[SKC]

How useful is this buddy buddy refueling? The babus are so stupid and stinging because all it does is tie up one useful combat plane for refueling when it could have been used for combat role

It can be quite useful in several scenarios and also might be one of the mandatory requirements for Tejas .

 

[Harry]

How useful is this buddy buddy refueling? The babus are so stupid and stinging because all it does is tie up one useful combat plane for refueling when it could have been used for combat role

The purpose of the Su-30 is primarily for defensive operations. It will engage targets while staying within the country's territory, similar to its role in Operation Swift Retort. For offensive operations beyond the Line of Control (LoC), a different platform would be required. Since it operates within the territory, it can also be used for buddy refueling.

 

[Gandaberunda]

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I really feel pity for Su 30 MKi. It’s been used as buddy refuller mini AWACS and what not. IAF should buy the tankers and AWACS and stop flexing these side gigs.

 

[Indianhawk]

I really feel pity for Su 30 MKi. It’s been used as buddy refuller mini AWACS and what not. IAF should buy the tankers and AWACS and stop flexing these side gigs.

Su30mki is not to be pitied. With new aesa coming in with 2400 trm it will actually become almost as powerful as netra mk1 awecs.

The purpose of the Su-30 is primarily for defensive operations. It will engage targets while staying within the country's territory, similar to its role in Operation Swift Retort. For offensive operations beyond the Line of Control (LoC), a different platform would be required. Since it operates within the territory, it can also be used for buddy refueling.

Is that why all rudram family is being integrated to su30mki! .

Anti radiation missiles will be the first wave of attack over enemy infrastructure to neutralize their radars.

With rudram3 mki can strike across pakistan and deep into Tibet.

 

[ArjunMK1A]

The purpose of the Su-30 is primarily for defensive operations. It will engage targets while staying within the country's territory, similar to its role in Operation Swift Retort. For offensive operations beyond the Line of Control (LoC), a different platform would be required. Since it operates within the territory, it can also be used for buddy refueling.

There is no concept of X planes needs to go outside/inside. We just have ganduji version doctrine, thus we need to do within LOC drama.

Also the SU-30MKI while can be formidable is still 2000s era relic. We are still in upgradation phase. It needs the new AESA, full blown jammers. We started recently and it take some time to apply across the fleet.

On good day, SU 30MKI with full fledge EW suit can blind enemy SAM and take out any point of Interest sites and come back safely. Israelis doing with F-15 and F-16. F-15 is an contemporary platform to our SU-30MKI.

 

[Patriots]

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[Patriots]

Inside story of attack on Balakot — from IAF officer who planned and executed it

A total of 16 aircraft, six each armed with Spice 2000 and Crystal Maze missiles, flew into PoK and struck Balakot terror camp while 4 remained in Indian territory as back-up.

theprint.in

 

[mist_consecutive]

https://theprint.in/defence/inside-...ot-from-iaf-officer-who-planned-and-executed-

You are just 6 years late in posting this.

 

[Patriots]

You are just 6 years late in posting this.

Balakot anniversary so..posted ...
Bdw always loved your article on this

 

[shade2]

IAF chief drops truth bombs, says his force in dire need of 35-40 aircraft/year, far behind in tech

Speaking at an event, Air Chief Marshal AP Singh also made a strong pitch for collaborative project between a foreign firm & Indian pvt player to produce fighter aircraft in India.

theprint.in

Speaking at a seminar hosted by the Chanakya Forum, ACM Singh emphasised that India must explore collaborative projects between foreign firms and Indian private players to produce fighter aircraft domestically, supplementing the state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited’s (HAL) production of the Tejas Mk-1A.

>Dassault order backlog is full apart from that no domestic partner
>EuroFighter no domestic partner
>Gripen no domestic partner
>No chance of Ruskals
>We already have Ruskal version of F-15

Meanwhile Tata-LM already produce F-16 wings in country and i'm sure they can scale up production for 114 fighters, also this will lead to "a possible path to F-35" too.

I can see HF-24 Marut from Heaven saying "Come beta, join me" to Tejas

 

[Asmaka Mahajanapada]

My conversation with Grok 3 on Balakot air battle and arguing on Pakistan's duplicity. Grok seems to agree with my assertions. Nothing that you already not knew but just some interesting AI take.

 

[Azaad]

IAF chief drops truth bombs, says his force in dire need of 35-40 aircraft/year, far behind in tech

Speaking at an event, Air Chief Marshal AP Singh also made a strong pitch for collaborative project between a foreign firm & Indian pvt player to produce fighter aircraft in India.

theprint.in

>Dassault order backlog is full apart from that no domestic partner
>EuroFighter no domestic partner
>Gripen no domestic partner
>No chance of Ruskals
>We already have Ruskal version of F-15

Meanwhile Tata-LM already produce F-16 wings in country and i'm sure they can scale up production for 114 fighters, also this will lead to "a possible path to F-35" too.

I can see HF-24 Marut from Heaven saying "Come beta, join me" to Tejas

You're not reading the situation right.

He's pitching for MRFA to be mfgd in India with a Pvt Sector player in collaboration with a Foreign OEM except it's a bit late in the day for that coz GoI believes in getting the balance 36 nos Rafales & closing the file on the entire MMRCA 2.0 / MRFA episode whereas the IAF is clinging on to the old story where Dassault would partner a local Pvt Sector player ( Anilbhai in this instance) & set up a FAL followed by a mfg line which would eventually emerge as a rival HAL.

This was the original plan of the GoI / MoD / IAF which got derailed. This has nothing to do with desi programs to the extent it won't impact them.

A lot of water has flown in the Yamuna since then. LCA Mk-2 when it comes will handle a significant amount of tasks which are currently the remit of the Jaguars, MiG-29 & the Mirage 2000 & which the MMRCA 2.0 / MRFA was supposed to replace.

Add to that the AMCA Mk-1 which will come on the heels of the LCA Mk-2 . MoD & GoI are convinced we don't need an MMRCA 2.0 / MRFA tender except procuring the Rafales be they 36 nos or 54 nos & that's that . It seems the IAF has yet to receive the memo.

But it's disturbing to see the prolonged campaign against HAL that too by someone of the stature of the ACM of the IAF. At some point it should or must result in retaliation by HAL. There's a limit to muck raking & the ACM is taking this too far. After all in this saga none of the players are clean be it HAL or ADA / DRDO or IAF & least of all MoD / GoI who're the biggest culprits IMHO.

 

[iNorthernerOn9]

As of today:

* PAF fields more number of fighter jets than IAF's Western, South-Western & Central air commands combined.

* The PAF has more fighter pilots in absolute numbers than these 3 commands combined. & overall the fighter pilot ratio of PAF:IAF is at an all time low of 3:4.

 

[shade2]

But it's disturbing to see the prolonged campaign against HAL that too by someone of the stature of the ACM of the IAF. At some point it should or must result in retaliation by HAL. There's a limit to muck raking & the ACM is taking this too far. After all in this saga none of the players are clean be it HAL or ADA / DRDO or IAF & least of all MoD / GoI who're the biggest culprits IMHO.

He's doing it on instructions of his political bosses, that there is no pushback is all the evidence you need.
No other Chief-of title carrying genrol from any of the 3 forces has uttered such jhumlas against any DPSU IIRC.

My question is why? I have arrived at the conclusion that it is to buy 114 F-16s as a part of the MRFA by shitting on Tejas/ADA/HAL, the money to be spent on GE F404, GEF414 etc and Tejas mk1a, Mk2 MWF can be redirected for the F16 purchase since it is also a single engine fighter.

This is mainly to appease the US and not necessarily Trump.

TLDR is besmirch HAL/Tejas/ADA in order to clear the way politically for imports, consensus is being manufactured that DPSU BAD and imports are the only way forward.

F16 is the only one of the MRFA plane contenders that has the scale to deliver the jets quickly.

Anyway in future we may get more clarity if my theory is correct or not.

If GOI is serious about domestic MIC than another 36 Rafales plus the frenchies providing us with certain gucci technologies in exchange would make sense but pata nahi.

 

[ArjunMK1A]

As of today:

* PAF fields more number of fighter jets than IAF's Western, South-Western & Central air commands combined.

* The PAF has more fighter pilots in absolute numbers than these 3 commands combined. & overall the fighter pilot ratio of PAF:IAF is at an all time low of 3:4.

If engine came, slide will be fixed temporarily against PAF, but against PLAAF, We need different set of doctrine itself, which we may increase the squadron size.

 

[Azaad]

He's doing it on instructions of his political bosses, that there is no pushback is all the evidence you need.
No other Chief-of title carrying genrol from any of the 3 forces has uttered such jhumlas against any DPSU IIRC.

My question is why? I have arrived at the conclusion that it is to buy 114 F-16s as a part of the MRFA by shitting on Tejas/ADA/HAL, the money to be spent on GE F404, GEF414 etc and Tejas mk1a, Mk2 MWF can be redirected for the F16 purchase since it is also a single engine fighter.

This is mainly to appease the US and not necessarily Trump.

TLDR is besmirch HAL/Tejas/ADA in order to clear the way politically for imports, consensus is being manufactured that DPSU BAD and imports are the only way forward.

F16 is the only one of the MRFA plane contenders that has the scale to deliver the jets quickly.

Anyway in future we may get more clarity if my theory is correct or not.

If GOI is serious about domestic MIC than another 36 Rafales plus the frenchies providing us with certain gucci technologies in exchange would make sense but pata nahi.

That besmirching was more on account of signing a G2G with France to get 36-54 Rafales for the IAF pronto thru direct imports . Unless the idea is to get Dassault to set up a mfg line here in which case the IN requirement for 26 nos Rafale M will be delayed. We'd know what is their game plan in the next 3-4 months.

The F-16 / F-21 won't figure in the IAF at all for the simple reason LM was planning to shut down a plant & shift it to India to mfg them locally in partnership with a Pvt Sector Player which in all likelihood would be Tatas.

That entire process will take anywhere between 5-6 years to fructify (& I'm being very optimistic here ) viz negotiations , signing off , shifting of the plant here , first FA roll out which puts it in 2031 for a war we're expected to wage against the Chinese anytime after 2028.

Besides how exactly are these F-16s going to help us go up against the PLAAF with their limitations ? It's not exactly in the league of the F-35 .

We need something off the shelf RN. The best way would be to get Macron to lean on Dassault to prioritise us over the other customers & start churning out Rafales within 2 years of signing the contract which we'd have to ink before the calendar year is out .

If we get too clever by half which we can always count on the dhotis & babooos to do , they'd try to get Dassault to set up a line here by committing only 36+25 FA whereas Trappier of Dassault has clearly indicated he won't consider anything below 100 nos to set up such a line & then there's the time taken to set up such a line which would take at least 2- 3 years & another 2-3 to get the first FA to roll out.