Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[Binayak95]

How dare the ACM say what is the truth. HAL has been lying from day one. when GE said in the contract they can deliver 3 - 4 engines a year because the line is shut down and that it would take 2 years - 3 years before full rate production, what business did HAL have promising 24 aircraft a year.

FFS, they have 7-8 engines from the reserve, why the hell arent those Mk1As in IAF hands? because they are not ready.
Astra integration is pending. Python integration is pending. A2G tests are pending. Heck, it was only this week or last that mid air refueling got validated. Lazy jackasses at HAL are letting down the extremely impressive hard work done by the few.

Even DHRUV. For 6 years you knew the control rods will fail, what exactly did you do?

why should either of the 4 services that operate it risk the lives of their men AFTER knowing that HAL fucked around?

Believe me there are several skeletons yet to tumble out of the HAL closet. Including money and other gifts from certain slavic peoples.

 

[shade2]

As of today:

* PAF fields more number of fighter jets than IAF's Western, South-Western & Central air commands combined.

* The PAF has more fighter pilots in absolute numbers than these 3 commands combined. & overall the fighter pilot ratio of PAF:IAF is at an all time low of 3:4.

PAF fields 156 JF-17 with more on order
Certain Junk Fighters are receiving upgrades of AESA radar and BVR missiles from Chings too..

IAF playing games of IOC, FOC, not-mk1a-because-one-missile-wasnt-launched etc with Tejas.


IN meanwhile has no paucity in quantity and quality of ships vs PN
It's because they have been designing and building their own stuff since the late 70s

PN is now AAAAH I'M IMPOORTING Ching and Turkan ships, they placed an order for 8 Mard -e- Chowmein AIP subs in a vain effort to do equal-equal with IN surface fleet in ~2015 but as of writing not even one of these subs have been delivered

At some point we will have to fight China, and piecemeal gold-plated imports won't help there, but still they haven't learnt any lessons, Tejas is the red-headed step-child forced upon by the GoI even today and they still lust after Gold-Plated import du jure.

They have to internalize that part of their war fighting duties is preparing for war, which for a country of our size and facing an adversary like China means domestic design and production of platforms and weapons, they can't keep on playing the current "pass the file" games and chai-biscoot sessions with their IAS and -Minister counterparts any longer.

 

[Spitfire IX]

How dare the ACM say what is the truth. HAL has been lying from day one. when GE said in the contract they can deliver 3 - 4 engines a year because the line is shut down and that it would take 2 years - 3 years before full rate production, what business did HAL have promising 24 aircraft a year.

FFS, they have 7-8 engines from the reserve, why the hell arent those Mk1As in IAF hands? because they are not ready.

I have more confidence in what you say than in what HAL says.

 

[Asmodeus]

You're not reading the situation right.

He's pitching for MRFA to be mfgd in India with a Pvt Sector player in collaboration with a Foreign OEM except it's a bit late in the day for that coz GoI believes in getting the balance 36 nos Rafales & closing the file on the entire MMRCA 2.0 / MRFA episode whereas the IAF is clinging on to the old story where Dassault would partner a local Pvt Sector player ( Anilbhai in this instance) & set up a FAL followed by a mfg line which would eventually emerge as a rival HAL.

This was the original plan of the GoI / MoD / IAF which got derailed.

This was a good plan in 2016 when we ordered Rafales, Any idea why it got derailed? why didn't gov made it MAKE IN INDIA from the start, it would have been good propagenda for elections as well as some backdoor donations through Reliance if at all. let alone all the boasting they would get to do that we set things right and bla bla blah highground.. morales... India first..

 

[GodEmperorDoom]

This was a good plan in 2016 when we ordered Rafales, Any idea why it got derailed? why didn't gov made it MAKE IN INDIA from the start, it would have been good propagenda for elections as well as some backdoor donations through Reliance if at all. let alone all the boasting they would get to do that we set things right and bla bla blah highground.. morales... India first..

We got that thing called Pappu which barked SCAM SCAM at behest of either Eurof@ggots/Burgerchods. Surely we couldn't proceed with such political environment then.

But one silver lining is it didn't happen because the money-upto 20B would have gone to gutters since F*rench are anyhow not gonna transfer that if we go by their shenanigans until now. I had more faith in Burgerchods transferring more ToT and Know-How than French.

 

[Azaad]

This was a good plan in 2016 when we ordered Rafales, Any idea why it got derailed? why didn't gov made it MAKE IN INDIA from the start, it would have been good propagenda for elections as well as some backdoor donations through Reliance if at all. let alone all the boasting they would get to do that we set things right and bla bla blah highground.. morales... India first..

To my mind 3 principal reasons - the first being RaGa's campaign insinuating Anilbhai stood to make a fortune thus linking that to Modi & the BJP which made the GoI put the entire procurement on the back burner ( there was a court case on as well which ended in humiliation for RaGa ) , the second being GoI being tight fisted with defence CAPEX as a result of which it was proposed the Rafales could come in piece meal fashion ala the MKIs instead of through the MRFA tender route which brings us to the third point & the role of ex ACM Chaudhari in this affair , who in turn shot down the suggestion , insisting on the tender & had a public spat on this with CDS the late Gen Rawat with 3 years being lost in the bargain & here we are.

 

[AbRaj]

My conversation with Grok 3 on Balakot air battle and arguing on Pakistan's duplicity. Grok seems to agree with my assertions. Nothing that you already not knew but just some interesting AI take.

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Grok/chatGPT/Gemini tells what you want to hear. Its not a God. Its answers are based on your input.

 

[shade2]

This was a good plan in 2016 when we ordered Rafales, Any idea why it got derailed? why didn't gov made it MAKE IN INDIA from the start, it would have been good propagenda for elections as well as some backdoor donations through Reliance if at all. let alone all the boasting they would get to do that we set things right and bla bla blah highground.. morales... India first..

Mudi got scared of Raul's barkings.
Even though the SC case also fell flat on Raul's face.

Last I checked there were rumors that they will have RFP for MRFA this year so everyone can play trial-trial, tender-tender, pass-the-file, chai-biskoot sessions for next 4-5 years in order to do a """"clean""""" procurement, by then will Mudi be in power, will the Frenchies and Europoids still sell the same jets? who knows.


Meanwhile, "SQUADRONS DECLINING SAAAR" cheekte rahenge, Tejas delay hota rahega and F-35 ki dalali "defence journalists" karte rahenge...

We got that thing called Pappu which barked SCAM SCAM at behest of either Eurof@ggots/Burgerchods. Surely we couldn't proceed with such political environment then.

But one silver lining is it didn't happen because the money-upto 20B would have gone to gutters since F*rench are anyhow not gonna transfer that if we go by their shenanigans until now. I had more faith in Burgerchods transferring more ToT and Know-How than French.

The burgers also wouldn't, if you want tech you have to either reverse engineer the stuff you have or engage in industrial espionage and hiring top-tier experts and specialists in whatever required fields to build the tech in house.

Ofc for this you need open wallets and generous funding, chindi govt doesn't want to spend that money to jaane do

This ToT concept is a total scam, nobody is going to spoon feed you the good stuff aside from very rare scenarios like the Russi giving us full ToT for a certain SSN design that was modded to make the Arihant-class SSBN

 

[shade2]

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Do y'all nibbiars agree with this?