Indian Army Armored Vehicles

[Fatalis]

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[darkindie]

Plus they come factory ready for battlefield management system unlike our AFVs which have so many extra panels and monitors fitted without any integration whatsoever that you feel like youre driving a jugaad space shuttle cross with a simulation rig (this is a problem not unique to us, even the US army suffers from feature creep without optimisation of existing resources)

On what basis are you saying this?

 

[darkindie]

What my understanding from reading between the lines is while from a hull and armour point of view, the WHaP is an excellent platform, its lethality with existing offerings of turrets leaves much to be desired.

then make a new indigenous turret and import a foreign one as a stopgap. Why import stryker instead of inducting WHAP when it has no problem?

 

[darkindie]

Especially when it comes to sensors and smart usage of said sensors, optical tracking of targets, locking onto small drones, passive scanning, etc etc. Wont go into details here, but these are key areas where Indian MIC is working towards, but will take some time to catch up.

we already have this capability from arjun program and namica program please educate yourself. Besides if indigenous sensors were not adequate then import sensors as stopgap.

 

[darkindie]

Even if trials happen we will not buy stryker, pretty doubtful it will even pass those trials. We only import those systems from US to which we do not have any other alternative locally or globally like p8i, sh60 seahawk or mq9b

 

[Binayak95]

On what basis are you saying this?

Eh ? Experience. Seeing it first hand with Zorawar right now arent we?

 

[darkindie]

Eh ? Experience. Seeing it first hand with Zorawar right now arent we?

what kind of experience? what's the problem with zorawar? it hasn't even completed developmental trials.

 

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We can also use John Cockerill turrets, which zorawar uses, to have a 105 mm version of WHAP, least to mention the other varients of that turret. Cockerill turrets are modular and can be swapped/reused based on mission profile...

These can be a stop-gap solution until an indigenous alternative is available.


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[Anants]

Stryker mat dekho. StrykerX dekho. But saara picture hi confused hai. What i have heard and understood is that Stryker X and AbramsX are on the table.

Both platforms are evolutions of the existing afvs, (though AbramsX in my opinion is an entirely new tank)

what both bring key tech is hybrid electric diesel propulsion - which as you all are aware, is excellent for low signature alongside mobility improvements.
Plus they come factory ready for battlefield management system unlike our AFVs which have so many extra panels and monitors fitted without any integration whatsoever that you feel like youre driving a jugaad space shuttle cross with a simulation rig (this is a problem not unique to us, even the US army suffers from feature creep without optimisation of existing resources)

What my understanding from reading between the lines is while from a hull and armour point of view, the WHaP is an excellent platform, its lethality with existing offerings of turrets leaves much to be desired.

Especially when it comes to sensors and smart usage of said sensors, optical tracking of targets, locking onto small drones, passive scanning, etc etc. Wont go into details here, but these are key areas where Indian MIC is working towards, but will take some time to catch up.

Stryker has an additional problem. Driver and Navigator/Radio operator has to rely on Screens now and they sit tandemly. Why? If we skip marketing gibberish - you need to place battery it's cooling system and motor somewhere.

Once again Army goes in for the being. In this ToT will they get the BMS (Battery Management System) and Hybrid Transmisioj Control Logic source code as part of ToT ? I doubt. And this time I don't blame army - this is clearly a push from the Gov.

Regarding Whap being Hotchpotch potch of systems- well most weapons all over the world are. Your Sukhois were/are too. Once you establish the ToT farce here, you can kiss Whap goodbye and good luck getting Indian Inc to again invest in Big ticket items.

Whap chahe Desi hai par Apna hai. First you specially ask IPMV version of Whap. They strip existing Whap to make IPMV. Then declare array yeh toh inferior hai Ladd nahin sakta...

We just saw Army had hardly budget for modernization or even Maintenance. Upar se raise 'betookay' decisions if ever taken.

 

[125mm_Smoothbore]

then make a new indigenous turret and import a foreign one as a stopgap. Why import stryker instead of inducting WHAP when it has no problem?

we are alrready making new turrets but why import stryker can only be answered by our dear govt pmo mod and army

 

[darkindie]

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we are alrready making new turrets but why import stryker can only be answered by our dear govt pmo mod and army

Neither pmo, mod or army has said anything. It's just retarded sellout journalists kanging.

 

[125mm_Smoothbore]

Neither pmo, mod or army has said anything. It's just retarded sellout journalists kanging.

maybe maybe not but stryker is pushed by army at least we can get that from the photos released and all

 

[Anants]

maybe maybe not but stryker is pushed by army at least we can get that from the photos released and all

No mate its govt driven. If they wanted they would have put foot down like LCA.

 

[Binayak95]

what kind of experience? what's the problem with zorawar? it hasn't even completed developmental trials.

The turret, fcs and sensor suite is all imported. The chassis is a development of K21.

I'm not saying that's wrong but the refinement that you're saying from the Zorawar is directly a result of decades of refinement that comes from OEMs who have been doing it form decades.

The problem with India is we have not done our homework and haven't supported our MIC apart from the Navy.

And the results are for everyone to see.

USMIC se import karke Stryker agar L&T ke tarah WHAP MK2 khada ho sakta hai toh let it be

 

[125mm_Smoothbore]

The turret, fcs and sensor suite is all imported. The chassis is a development of K21.

I'm not saying that's wrong but the refinement that you're saying from the Zorawar is directly a result of decades of refinement that comes from OEMs who have been doing it form decades.

The problem with India is we have not done our homework and haven't supported our MIC apart from the Navy.

And the results are for everyone to see.

USMIC se import karke Stryker agar L&T ke tarah WHAP MK2 khada ho sakta hai toh let it be

aint it modified abhay chassis ?

 

[Binayak95]

aint it modified abhay chassis ?

Tracks ko dekho bhai. k21 hi hai base mai.
It's logical. L&T built an entire factory to make AFVs with ToT from the koreans. Of course they'd leverage that.

The engine is the exact same Cummins as the K21.

 

[darkindie]

The turret, fcs and sensor suite is all imported. The chassis is a development of K21.

I'm not saying that's wrong but the refinement that you're saying from the Zorawar is directly a result of decades of refinement that comes from OEMs who have been doing it form decades.

The problem with India is we have not done our homework and haven't supported our MIC apart from the Navy.

And the results are for everyone to see.

USMIC se import karke Stryker agar L&T ke tarah WHAP MK2 khada ho sakta hai toh let it be

 

[Binayak95]

aint it modified abhay chassis ?

The armour package is DRDO's. Their ceramic composite mix is damn good.

Some of the sensor suites are Tonbo's and have that see through augmented reality tech.

It's a damn good prototype for the time frame. Service ready I'd say. L&T is the best goddamn integrator in India.

 

[darkindie]

Tracks ko dekho bhai. k21 hi hai base mai.
It's logical. L&T built an entire factory to make AFVs with ToT from the koreans. Of course they'd leverage that.

The engine is the exact same Cummins as the K21.

Turret is designed by drdo. Tot from koreans has helped L&T in k9 and building infrastructure to mass produce k9s and now zorawar.

 

[fire starter]

Tracks ko dekho bhai. k21 hi hai base mai.
It's logical. L&T built an entire factory to make AFVs with ToT from the koreans. Of course they'd leverage that.

The engine is the exact same Cummins as the K21.

Chassis is developed by cvrde drdo and is derived from ngmbt , Here is the tender.