Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[Anants]

Valid argument but there are some nuances

Yes but what are "these" boats? There are 5,00,000 boats, about which exactly are you talking

A wooden fishing trawler? Then you're absolutely correct in your assessment.
A Sucha-II class patrol ship of the coast guard? It has a reported range of more than 10,000km

There was reason why I excluded 4,98,000 ships and mentioned just 2,000 instead of outright saying China has half a million boats. Or why I counted just Maritime Safety Administration, Coast Guard, Aux Fleet and Maritime Transport Border Defence and excluded things like Ministry of Transport, Scientific Vessels and Maritime Militia.
Because by reducing the number to I don't know, maybe 1% we can kind of filter out most of the low endurance vessels. Again I'm not saying that all 2,500 of these vessels would be able to go as far away as mainland America because this number would definitely include some things like inshore patrol vessels; but it would be way smaller in terms of percentage.

Since yesterday I'm playing the devil's advocate for PLA-N but as of now only mentioned ships like 55s and 52s...and completely ignored those Type 22s. Those are tiny, fast, carries 8x AShMs but perhaps the most dangerous stats is the fact that China has more than 80 of those.
Endurance was the primary reason why I excluded them, followed by the fact that they've a comical air defence.
So yeah, I'm well aware of this endurance point that you're trying to highlight.

Exactly
And that was the whole point for bringing this specific topic, they've quite a robust support element.

Ayan the fishing boats were seen in arabian sea recently too. So they do seem to have reach till IOR

 

[Ayan Barat]

Even with these boats they need significant logistic support. I mean sustaining a fleet of 2000 boats is no easy task and will set off every bell and alarm. No way it’s gonna happen.

These are just those boats that are shouting their coordinates on transponders

Somewhere among these is a medium sized Chinese vessel with two kamikaze Unmanned Submerged Vehicles.

Ayan the fishing boats were seen in arabian sea recently too. So they do seem to have reach till IOR

Alarm over Chinese research ships in Indian Ocean Region

The presence of research vessels have raised security concerns as experts believe that the Chinese could be surveying the Indian Ocean to improve their submarine warfare capabilities.

m.economictimes.com

From the article "around 600 Chinese fishing boats are present in the IOR every year from 2015 till last year"

Also people miss the point that it's far easier to increase the endurance of a small fishing boat given it's space, engine and design as opposed to say a destroyer that has both a gas-guzzling engine and lack of space to store extra fuel.

 

[Blademaster]

These are just those boats that are shouting their coordinates on transponders
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Somewhere among these is a medium sized Chinese vessel with two kamikaze Unmanned Submerged Vehicles.

Alarm over Chinese research ships in Indian Ocean Region

The presence of research vessels have raised security concerns as experts believe that the Chinese could be surveying the Indian Ocean to improve their submarine warfare capabilities.

m.economictimes.com

From the article "around 600 Chinese fishing boats are present in the IOR every year from 2015 till last year"

Also people miss the point that it's far easier to increase the endurance of a small fishing boat given it's space, engine and design as opposed to say a destroyer that has both a gas-guzzling engine and lack of space to store extra fuel.

Try coordinating them from thousands of miles away.

 

[Ayan Barat]

Try coordinating them from thousands of miles away.

Spoiler: Definitely tricky but not impossible

Especially for an adversary like China

 

[AbRaj]

View: https://x.com/ShivAroor/status/1863891425290797543


Imagine the sub's captain grabbing the collar of the fisherman and asking nikal dus crore

Grape. Naby Stronk. Another one bites the dust. Seems like Naby is practising is How to sink your own boats effectively and effortlessly

 

[AbRaj]

This is the only explanation needed!

What’s worse, our enemies are getting Fifth gen airframes at a price 1/3 to 1/2 of this French Citroen.
French are known to produce overpriced crap be it an automobile or a jet. Everything is always expensive but underperforming to their EU and US competitors. Just forgot about Chinese Xiomis, Vivos and Huwave. They are just unmatched for what they offer

 

[AbRaj]

Type 055 and 054 max range ~9000km (wikipedia)
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Type 052 max range ~7000km
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relax anon

Yes. They don’t have refuelers and neither have naval bases in nearby where they can refill their tanks. So no worry. Just chill Dondhu.
PS: Most of the Indian defence forum members are not defence enthusiasts but Dumb braggarts who like to brag mindlessly without using their brain

 

[Nibbler]

Yes. A&N is critical if we want to dictate the war at Malacca strait. But problem we are facing is numerical advantage of PLAN Ships.

On the other hand ships at our end still do not have UVLS. Our AD systems lacks ABM. Our ships still not armed sufficiently due to lack of UVLS/ Cost factor.

We have expensive . But no Subsonic missile in large numbers. Nirbhay, ITCM were in development state right now. Hypersonic kid is new one, but currently not ship launched.

Navy/DRDO needs to develop the UVLS to improve the packaging. Otherwise we are bleeding money due to some basic mistakes.

my post was more to highlight how far a type 055/054 whatever that disembarks from their naval base in hainan could get before having to turn around assuming they arent resupplied on the way

Valid argument but there are some nuances

Yes but what are "these" boats? There are 5,00,000 boats, about which exactly are you talking

A wooden fishing trawler? Then you're absolutely correct in your assessment.
A Sucha-II class patrol ship of the coast guard? It has a reported range of more than 10,000km

There was reason why I excluded 4,98,000 ships and mentioned just 2,000 instead of outright saying China has half a million boats. Or why I counted just Maritime Safety Administration, Coast Guard, Aux Fleet and Maritime Transport Border Defence and excluded things like Ministry of Transport, Scientific Vessels and Maritime Militia.
Because by reducing the number to I don't know, maybe 1% we can kind of filter out most of the low endurance vessels. Again I'm not saying that all 2,500 of these vessels would be able to go as far away as mainland America because this number would definitely include some things like inshore patrol vessels; but it would be way smaller in terms of percentage.

Since yesterday I'm playing the devil's advocate for PLA-N but as of now only mentioned ships like 55s and 52s...and completely ignored those Type 22s. Those are tiny, fast, carries 8x AShMs but perhaps the most dangerous stats is the fact that China has more than 80 of those.
Endurance was the primary reason why I excluded them, followed by the fact that they've a comical air defence.
So yeah, I'm well aware of this endurance point that you're trying to highlight.

Exactly
And that was the whole point for bringing this specific topic, they've quite a robust support element.

They dont have a robust enough support element to pull off what you are saying.

also outside of logisitcs you have to ask whwould their goal be be? do a blockade of a subcontinent? good luck.

They will also be clearing out their fleets from their own coastlines while murderous america is sits right there. If you open a map of first island chain you almost sypathize with them tbh.

I think the biggest worry would be if china becomes an american vassal like the rest of the east asians. I honestly think the ccp's continued existence with its hubris in check from an economy battling deflation and ageing is actually in india's interest.

The greater satan will always be amerishart.

India is very lucky that its coast line doesnt look like this LMAO

 

[jaijaganath]

Grape. Naby Stronk. Another one bites the dust. Seems like Naby is practising is How to sink your own boats effectively and effortlessly

Not significant damage it will be repaired when it arrives at port and yeh sab hote rehta hai

 

[Nibbler]

Yes. They don’t have refuelers and neither have naval bases in nearby where they can refill their tanks. So no worry. Just chill Dondhu.
PS: Most of the Indian defence forum members are not defence enthusiasts but Dumb braggarts who like to brag mindlessly without using their brain

since you wont take it from dumb indian braggart like me here is a white written aritcle quoting many chinese

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Bases:



Logistics:

The actual fight:



PPS: my experiece with indian defence forums is the exact opposite. lots of people like you who want to sit around shivering and pissing yourself whle taking great offence if i dont want to join you lol

 

[AbRaj]

Not significant damage it will be repaired when it arrives at port and yeh sab hote rehta hai

Have some shame. Why are you defending this shameful practice because Millions are chimp change for you. Even today this motormouth was advising Pak forces not to spend money on modernisation, meanwhile his men are destroying one by one whatever ships they even have. More than half of our public lives below poverty line and middle class include people like me are getting robbed by our taxation system. And what these Aholes are doing? Sinking their imported subs, toppling their surface ships and ramming them up to fishing boats. WTH is wrong with each one of them be it Airforce, Army or Navy ?
Its not first time that such type of event happened. Its one among series of blunders they are doing since decades still unable to rectify the lapses and hrld accountable those doing it. FFS we have Nuclear subs and ACCs accidents that were swept under the rug without much accountability. Why not this Motormouth of a Chief too is held accountable for the blunders that his men are doing? And don’t even talk about the rampant corruption and shortsightedness they did when they bought that russian junk of ACC and subsequent blackmail by russians
Whats worse we have a damaged Nuc sub, a surface ship(frigate) and now a brand new submarine all got damaged at the same time and all will be rotting on the repair shops for long time. And we don’t have even half of what is required. Millions and Billions are not small amount.

 

[AbRaj]

since you wont take it from dumb indian braggart like me here is a white written aritcle quoting many chinese

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Bases:

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Logistics:
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The actual fight:

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PPS: my experiece with indian defence forums is the exact opposite. lots of people like you who want to sit around shivering and pissing yourself whle taking great offence if i dont want to join you lol

And what does this doc is showing that proves anything discussed here ?
They need bigger flotilla? They need more supply ships? So ? Just look at the disparity in number and offensive power comparison of the two and kerp in mind that unlike us they produce everything of their own and at a pace nobody can match in next few decades. Even right now they have dozens of destroyers, couple of dozens of frigates and subs and half a dozen ACC are being buit in the shipyards.
Just because right-now they have less number of ships means that we Indians should just chill till the war starts.

 

[NerVik]

Have some shame. Why are you defending it because Millions are chimp change for you. Even today this motormouth was advising Pak forces not to spend money on modernisation, meanwhile his men are destroying one by one whatever they even have. More than half of our public lives below poverty line and middle class include people like me are getting robbed by our taxation system. And what these Aholes are doing? Sinking their imported subs, toppling their surface ships and ramming them up to fishing boats. WTH is wrong with each one of them be it Airforce, Army or Navy ?
Its not first time that such type of event happened. Its one among series of blunders they are doing since decades still unable to rectify the lapses and hrld accountable those doing it. FFS we have Nuclear subs and ACCs accidents that were swept under the rug without much accountability. Why not this Motormouth of a Chief too is held accountable for the blunders that his men are doing?
Whats worse we have a damaged Nuc sub, a surface ship(frigate) and now a brand new submarine all got damaged at the same time and all will be rotting on the repair shops for long time. And we don’t have even half of what is required. Millions and Billions are not small amount.

Sometimes I feel like we need a down vote function for randy rona posts like this. Voicing concerns is one thing, what you are doing is frankly just bi*#hing and randi rona. There is a proper way to voice concerns and if you are trying to make a point maybe it will help if you posted some metrics or articles. Maybe compare global operational numbers see if we really are all that bad. Maybe wait for investigation to complete and then pass your gyaan.

 

[AbRaj]

Sometimes I feel like we need a down vote function for randy rona posts like this. Voicing concerns is one thing, what you are doing is frankly just bi*#hing and randi rona. There is a proper way to voice concerns and if you are trying to make a point maybe it will help if you posted some metrics or articles. Maybe compare global operational numbers see if we really are all that bad. Maybe wait for investigation to complete and then pass your gyaan.

Sorry Shaktimaan

 

[Nibbler]

And what does this doc is showing that proves anything discussed here ?
They need bigger flotilla? They need more supply ships? So ? Just look at the disparity in number and offensive power comparison of the two and kerp in mind that unlike us they produce everything of their own and at a pace nobody can match in next few decades. Even right now they have dozens of destroyers, couple of dozens of frigates and subs and half a dozen ACC are being buit in the shipyards.
Just because right-now they have less number of ships means that we Indians should just chill till the war starts.

>they have supply ships and bases, we should panic
>no actually they aren't there yet, relax
>y-yeah but they will get them so we should panic

sigh, its all so tiresome.

WhY WOnT BAAbuuus bUy SOmE RaFALes??? DOnT THey KNoW ABouT CHEEn FIshINg FLeeT?????

there am I a indian defence forum poster to your liking now

 

[AbRaj]

>they have supply ships and bases, we should panic
>no actually they aren't there yet, relax
>y-yeah but they will get them so we should panic

sigh, its all so tiresome.

WhY WOnT BAAbuuus bUy SOmE RaFALes??? DOnT THey KNoW ABouT CHEEn FIshINg FLeeT?????

there am I a indian defence forum poster to your liking now

LOL, so basically we are not yet effd up, although in all probably we are going to and in near future. But its Alright. And although their single destroyer now has more firepower and better sensors and weapons than all our CBG combined. But Everything is ok just chill.
We can always say that “Agar F17NG hota to….”( Humari bund blasting na hui hoti)

BTW French products are all same, overpriced load of crap. You can never win anything with a French machine be it a war or a race. Dassault is citroen of fighter jets.

Ohh Rafale se yaad aaya, where is our Teja bhai ? Haven’t heard a whisper since almost a year. Such a stealth our Teju is having. HAL must be awarded with “Hila-le-Pakistan” for such a marvellous achievement.

 

[Nibbler]

LOL, so basically we are not yet effd up, although in all probably we are going to and in near future. But its Alright. And although their single destroyer now has more firepower and better sensors and weapons than all our CBG combined. But Everything is ok just chill.
We can always say that “Agar F17NG hota to….”( Humari bund blasting na hui hoti)

BTW French products are all same, overpriced load of crap. You can never win anything with a French machine be it a war or a race. Dassault is citroen of fighter jets.

Ohh Rafale se yaad aaya, where is our Teja bhai ? Haven’t heard a whisper since almost a year. Such a stealth our Teju is having. HAL must be awarded with “Hila-le-Pakistan” for such a marvellous achievement.

its all over.

china fishing expedition 2025 is the last chapter.

 

[Heat]

Some folks are really imagining a Jutland-style scenario out of nowhere in the Bay of Bengal ! But let’s be real, choke points aren’t exactly ideal for large-scale naval offensives. The ship-to-ship comparisons being made in this thread only make sense if one of the following happens:

1. China somehow sneaks a massive fleet into the Bay of Bengal while the Indian Navy is caught napping.
2. China permanently stations a large fleet in the IOR.
3. India decides to invade the SCS.

Out of these, only the first is a plausible tactical scenario. With India’s growing real-time surveillance capabilities (like the recent approval of 52 new surveillance satellites by the CCS), even that point becomes moot.

Honestly, I think the Navy is doing pretty well given their historic funding constraints. Despite limited resources, they’re gearing up to be the most capable branch of the armed forces in the coming decade. Sure, monetary challenges persist, but with the economy expanding, things are looking up for them.

 

[Nutcracker]

Have some shame. Why are you defending this shameful practice because Millions are chimp change for you. Even today this motormouth was advising Pak forces not to spend money on modernisation, meanwhile his men are destroying one by one whatever ships they even have. More than half of our public lives below poverty line and middle class include people like me are getting robbed by our taxation system. And what these Aholes are doing? Sinking their imported subs, toppling their surface ships and ramming them up to fishing boats. WTH is wrong with each one of them be it Airforce, Army or Navy ?
Its not first time that such type of event happened. Its one among series of blunders they are doing since decades still unable to rectify the lapses and hrld accountable those doing it. FFS we have Nuclear subs and ACCs accidents that were swept under the rug without much accountability. Why not this Motormouth of a Chief too is held accountable for the blunders that his men are doing? And don’t even talk about the rampant corruption and shortsightedness they did when they bought that russian junk of ACC and subsequent blackmail by russians
Whats worse we have a damaged Nuc sub, a surface ship(frigate) and now a brand new submarine all got damaged at the same time and all will be rotting on the repair shops for long time. And we don’t have even half of what is required. Millions and Billions are not small amount.

Abe xhutiya stop your Rndi rona. It was that fishing boat which came towards the surfacing submarine. Low IQ fishermen like you saw periscope and sped up the boat towards sub and collided with it.

 

[Ayan Barat]

also outside of logisitcs you have to ask whwould their goal be be? do a blockade of a subcontinent? good luck.

Can't comment on others opinion but I've been pretty clear about mine

Even if a single naval blockade is compromised

Pretty much exactly what happened during Trident and Python but with the tables turned.

They might in for just a hit-n-run attack to damage as much ships and infrastructure as possible and then quickly head home/nearest friendly port.

Again a tactic mastered by us during 71.

So

I think the biggest worry would be if china becomes an american vassal like the rest of the east asians. I honestly think the ccp's continued existence with its hubris in check from an economy battling deflation and ageing is actually in india's interest.

The greater satan will always be amerishart.

Look Buddy, I'm terminally retarded.
Not to mention my room temperature IQ.
So the thing is I really don't have the intellect to even think about all these US vassal/US doing 9-11/Left/Right/Amerishart/Soros/Supremacists/IAI Lora/Lehsun. Uparwaale ne paav bhar dimaag hi diya hai, I prefer to use it in technical stuff or to shitpost

So your biggest worry is China becoming US vassal and my biggest worry is this

with two primary pain points

1. We've no means to engage them without getting engaged. 2. We've nothing to defend us

my experiece with indian defence forums is the exact opposite. lots of people like you who want to sit around shivering and pissing yourself

Interesting observation, mine has been bit different.
> Feeling paraud Indian army, jung ke maindan me kadi na haarde...oh oh ho
> Galwan happens
> "Wo don't even have sufficient arctic clothing!?"
> Surprised Pikachu face