Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[125mm_Smoothbore]

DFB nibbiar challenge

If you were allowed to, what all would you fit on the bow for armament?
You have to keep the RBUs, but you can move it to the back or front whatever.

Just how much can we missile-max with the khali-sthan on the ship?
24x brahmos with 48 Barak8s?

offence is the best defence some LRSAM for precaution though

 

[Bleh]

I know, but can't we just make our designs a little more... you know?? Streamlined and clean??

Just a sec, gotta change my undies...

Shamelessly stolen from Reddit

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View: https://x.com/ajaynewsman/status/1879492630968721508

Patrakar got high res pics of commissioning

Another pic on wiki article of INS Nilgiri, looks like from it's sea trials but never seen this before

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Ok, where were we....?

Yes.
Shivalik was "clean", they kinda moved away from cleanliness . Should've been like this... Hope P-17B is.

NGD maybe, the NGC also looked pretty "clean" although far too much like we've directly copied China's Type-56 Corvettes.


Sadly NGMV isn't so.

It should be this, by all reasons as stealthy as possible because it's small & can actually be LO... Also it's pretty fucked if detected with it's protection level. It's sole USP should be low-observability!
Just use our OPVs & make the stealthy, then add some VLS, it will kill frigates.


Because while we're playing meeting-meeting Chinks are gonna replace their 50 Corvettes with the new one.

 

[GodEmperorDoom]

Ehh meaningless to try without UVLS. And this is not up to scale either. VLS stolen from 055 class, cell sizes adjusted to roughly mimic the max size of cells.
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Remove that RBU and install a AA Gun/Laser like Rheinmetall Oerlikon.

 

[vampyrbladez]

I think all things considered, it's better to have a decent number of VLS integrated in a new ship than no VLS. More VLS can be fitted into the platform as and when available.

Even the Brahmaputra Class had no Barak 1 VLS (24 equipped on each) when it was initially commissioned.

The shoulder-held Igla-M (SA-N-10) SAM launcher was used as a stop-gap measure aboard INS Brahmaputra at launch, until the ship was retro-fitted with the Israeli Barak SAM system, with fire control provided by an EL/M-2221 STGR radar. INS Betwa and INS Beas were commissioned with these systems deployed.

Spoiler: SOURCE

Brahmaputra-class frigate - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The Japanese Mogami Class frigate has no Mk. 41 VLS (16 planned for each) as of 2025.

The VLS has already been budgeted for all 12 ships of the class, but no ships have yet equipped with it. According to the Ministry of Defense, the first two VLSs will be delivered to the JMSDF during this fiscal year 2024. Specifically, these VLSs will be installed on JS Niyodo (FFM-7) and JS Yubetsu (FFM-8) at first.

Spoiler: SOURCE

Japan’s MHI Launches Tenth Mogami-Class Multirole Frigate for JMSDF - Naval News

Japanese shipbuilder Mitsubishi Heavy Industries launched Nagara, the 10th of a planned fleet of 12 Mogami-class frigates, for the JMSDF

www.navalnews.com

The South Korean KDX-III destroyer (Sejong the Great Batch II) has only 1 of 6 planned KVLS-II modules (4 cells in each module).

In the KDX-III Batch 2, the KVLS-II will be installed as six modules of four missiles each. These are located towards the rear of the vessel, aft of the twin funnels, and ahead of the helicopter flight deck. For the time being, Jeongjo is fitted with a test version of the KVLS-II, which appears to consist of just four cells, at least based on photos of the warship under construction. This suggests another five modules will be added at a later date.

Spoiler: SOURCE

South Korea's New Destroyer Is Designed To Fire Ballistic Missiles

South Korea's Jeongjo the Great destroyer is the first of a group of warships fitted with supersized vertical launch system cells.

www.twz.com

 

[Aaj Ka Hero]

View: https://youtu.be/r4_4W8HXO2Y?si=RpL9OyEA_bGY7x-J

 

[shade2]

I think all things considered, it's better to have a decent number of VLS integrated in a new ship than no VLS. More VLS can be fitted into the platform as and when available.

Even the Brahmaputra Class had no Barak 1 VLS (24 equipped on each) when it was initially commissioned.

Spoiler: SOURCE

Brahmaputra-class frigate - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The Japanese Mogami Class frigate has no Mk. 41 VLS (16 planned for each) as of 2025.

Spoiler: SOURCE

Japan’s MHI Launches Tenth Mogami-Class Multirole Frigate for JMSDF - Naval News

Japanese shipbuilder Mitsubishi Heavy Industries launched Nagara, the 10th of a planned fleet of 12 Mogami-class frigates, for the JMSDF

www.navalnews.com

The South Korean KDX-III destroyer (Sejong the Great Batch II) has only 1 of 6 planned KVLS-II modules (4 cells in each module).

Spoiler: SOURCE

South Korea's New Destroyer Is Designed To Fire Ballistic Missiles

South Korea's Jeongjo the Great destroyer is the first of a group of warships fitted with supersized vertical launch system cells.

www.twz.com

Chungmugong Yi Sun-sin-class destroyer - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yes, some pages back I gave an example of a class of Korean destroyers that came with 32 mk41 vls because their K-VLS was getting delayed, but later ships of this class came with K-VLS already installed and the rest had it retro-fitted, for a total of 24 K-VLS + existing 32 mk41 VLS.

@Ayan Barat also said some pages back than IN has the fancy supersonic/long range and expensive missiles( , Barak-8 ) in local production, but not the short-medium range cheaper and high quantity subsonic missiles( NASM-MR, VL-SRSAM in development )

So in all likelihood the Empty Spaces are to install these affordable missiles later on + one more benefit is they can use their budget to get few more ships of the same class for 7-8 ships total, instead of getting more barak8 and brahmos per class but getting like only 3 ships

 

[shade2]

Anyway since like what 7-8 years ago when i was interested in Navy topics, they have improved in some areas
for e.g

>Ordering ships in large quantities, like 7-8 for Frigates( hopefully NGD also ) and 16 ASW-SWC corvettes compared to like 3-4 before
>Dividing orders between shipyards, instead of the 10 foot MDL doing everything, now big warship orders split between MDL and GRSE
>CSL being given orders for Corvettes after their lone Navy project of INS Vikrant
>GSL being given orders for Talwar frigates, they haven't built corvettes before
>HSL being given the Navy fleet tanker contract inspite of not going for ((( ToT ))) with those Turkroaches
>They somehow managed to persuade GoI to buy the OtoMelara Strales guns/kits, it's the newest weapon upgrade in years

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Remove that RBU and install a AA Gun/Laser like Rheinmetall Oerlikon.

We don't have CIWS capable chemical lasers in the pipeline.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Looks like tri services are missile maxing for the Malacca Straits.

Here is how I think a Chinese intervention in the IOR will take place.

• The Chinese reaching the Malacca Straits can happen only when they have broken the island chain and defeated the JSDF Navy, US Navy and ROK Navy (3 x the current size of the PLAN) leaving a battered PLAN.

• The Chinese will then use armed merchant vessels to strike at US Navy, Indian Navy and Royal Australian Navy assets before moving in their main fleet.

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Spoiler: SOURCE

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

• PLAN submarines will then be deployed to mop up any survivors and initial QRTs and responders. Indian Navy has been anticipating this and investing in MQ-9s, ASW-SWC and Kamorta Class for this very reason.

• PLAN will then bring forth it's 'hedgehogs' like Type 055, Type 052D and use them to lock down the Malacca Straits for area denial and anti access.
  
  
• Then depending on the beating belted out to the PLAN in the Taiwan fight, 1-2 CBG will be deployed and then used to launch strikes against Andaman and Nicobar and the Eastern Seaboard.

I understand that corvettes have their uses like armed OPVs during peacetime and hit and run attacks against PLAN, PN however using a NGMV against the 'hedgehogs' is the equivalent of using these guys to fight a 26/11 style attack.

Spoiler: Image

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View: https://x.com/westerncomd_IA/status/1879494435425366041/video/2

 

[Flanker]

Just a sec, gotta change my undies...



Ok, where were we....?

Yes.
Shivalik was "clean", they kinda moved away from cleanliness . Should've been like this... Hope P-17B is.

NGD maybe, the NGC also looked pretty "clean" although far too much like we've directly copied China's Type-56 Corvettes.
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Sadly NGMV isn't so.
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It should be this, by all reasons as stealthy as possible because it's small & can actually be LO... Also it's pretty fucked if detected with it's protection level. It's sole USP should be low-observability!
Just use our OPVs & make the stealthy, then add some VLS, it will kill frigates.


Because while we're playing meeting-meeting Chinks are gonna replace their 50 Corvettes with the new one.View attachment 21941

tried to fix the blurry aft part

 

[shade2]

Remove that RBU and install a AA Gun/Laser like Rheinmetall Oerlikon.

Expensive Swiss maal with associated nakhras, besides, we're upgrading the current 76mm OtoMelara main gun on the ships with the Strales system and Dart ammo which does the same thing.

The other guns which have this guided-shell/timed air-burst CIWS feature like the Oerlikon are the Bofors 40mm L/70 and 57mm.

 

[shade2]

In a first, Indian Navy commissions 3 warships together. What makes Nilgiri, Surat & Vaghsheer unique

The ships were built with 75% indigenous materials & collaborations with global manufacturers. INS Nilgiri, INS Surat & INS Vaghsheer were commissioned Wednesday in the presence of PM Modi.

theprint.in

Patrakar gives some details about INS Nilgiri straight from it's captain.

The Nilgiri is the lead ship of the Navy’s seven new stealth frigates under Project 17A. It is considered to be a major advancement over the Shivalik-class frigates and incorporates elements such as an enclosed mooring deck, a low infrared signature, a deck rail system for the safe movement of crew and material that has enabled the removal of guardrails, among others, to boost the warship’s stealth features.

Speaking to ThePrint, Kapoor said, “In other ships, you will find there are a lot of fittings on the foxle, like anchors, chain cables etc. But here it is a clean deck. Everything has shifted to one deck below, onto the mooring deck that is completely concealed. This has ensured better radar suppression of the ship, and therefore, our stealth care design.”

He further said that Nilgiri’s Infra-Red Suppression System reduces emissions from the ship’s propulsion exhaust and power generation machinery, reducing the chances of any radars detecting the ship.

The commanding officer also demonstrated how the deck rail system of the Nilgiri works. Crew and materials can be latched to the deck rails with safety harnesses for any movement on the deck.

“The Nilgiri also has a Super Rapid Gun Mount (Upgraded) system, which has been used for the very first time in the Indian Navy. The gun is capable of firing smart ammunition, which is GP-guided, it can be guided by a laser also. It has given us enhanced ranges, more lethality and more accuracy,” Kapoor said.

“There were challenges in building Nilgiri, as it involved a lot of new equipment and new technology. But we have built a ship that is fully combat ready, and this will now become a standard fit for the Navy.”

The Captain says that the ship is supposed to be guard-rail-mukt so as to stealth-maxxx, but as the pictures we have seen show there are still guard-rails?
Perhaps they are not confident of the "deck-rail system" and need to still test it out further?

 

[Bleh]

DFB nibbiar challenge

If you were allowed to, what all would you fit on the bow for armament?
You have to keep the RBUs, but you can move it to the back or front whatever.

Just how much can we missile-max with the khali-sthan on the ship?
24x brahmos with 48 Barak8s?

Nothing too outlandish, because missiles are costly as fuck & Nirmala-ji is already fucking me at 30% & I don't wanna be fucked more. Just proportionate number of AShM & SSM (ideally some Nirbhay derivative) VLS... for Destroyer I'd have added AShBM silos too.

And a 33% increase in the SAM-UVLS, should house both LR-SAM & SR-SAM as required.