Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[Ayan Barat]

Why are our ships so under armed? It's really very curious to see. I can assume we have fewer AShM is because most of our ships are now moving to brahmos and maybe we can do same level of damage with fewer brahmos. But why is the SAM capacity so low? The most i have seen on our ships is 32 barak 1, that doesn't even give us proper SAM coverage let alone ABM capacity. What is the navy rationale for this design/policy?

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our pockets aren't deep enough

money is issue even our current VLSs remain empty

 

[Blademaster]

And you please don't go back to your "how can you be so derisive to quote a song lyrics" arc, we've already gone through that once. It ruins my mood when out of nowhere someone "behaves" like a boomer and lectures me for unnecessary stuff.

• There's nothing offensive or slang in my post.
• There enough informative stuff to focus on.

Learn to take a hint, boy.

 

[GodEmperorDoom]

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L&T will make two of the five FSS

So first underbid and then dump the extra orders which they can't deliver on time to Private Shipyards to prevent penalties. How much more longer does this chutyapa goes? Why is L&T so miserly? Do they think they are some Parama Pativrata? Even LM, NG and BAE everyone bribes and secures contracts. No bribes policy doesn't take them anywhere and settle for crumbs eternally.

 

[Nutcracker]

So first underbid and then dump the extra orders which they can't deliver on time to Private Shipyards to prevent penalties. How much more longer does this chutyapa goes? Why is L&T so miserly? Do they think they are some Parama Pativrata? Even LM, NG and BAE everyone bribes and secures contracts. No bribes policy doesn't take them anywhere and settle for crumbs eternally.

Was there even a bidding ? iirc L&T didn't have designing capability, so HSL got the contract of all 5. Now HSL will share the design with L&T for the building of 2 FSS.

 

[Fatalis]

So first underbid and then dump the extra orders which they can't deliver on time to Private Shipyards to prevent penalties. How much more longer does this chutyapa goes? Why is L&T so miserly? Do they think they are some Parama Pativrata? Even LM, NG and BAE everyone bribes and secures contracts. No bribes policy doesn't take them anywhere and settle for crumbs eternally.

HSL was nominated to build the FSS by the MoD and the government. They are sharing their work with L&T for faster delivery.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Yup, most probably.
Also an inclined launching variant of BrahMos should be bit cheaper than VLS launching variant (my theory, I could be totally wrong) as you don't need those extra bits to do "" and instead it's just a simple "" launch.

It's more likely that the Indian Navy initially planned to use 8 x BrahMos NG and since it wasn't ready on time, Plan B was to use a 2 x twin BrahMos ER setup compared to the older render where the launchers were midship.

My only doubt with this design is the missiles in the middle of the deck don't seem to be . Won't they be too big to place in middle? Either it is NASM-MR or GlideFire but even if it comes out to then also no issue.

However using Occam's razor, the Indian Navy starts with 16 x BrahMos and divides by 2 as you go down each class.

Kolkata, Vishakapatnam Class DDG - 16 x BrahMos
Shivalik, Talwar, Nilgiri, P 17B(?) FFG - 8 x BrahMos
NGMV DEG - 4 x BrahMos

I managed to enhance the image of the banner from the event and there is a possibility of 16 x VL-SRSAM since the X-Band MFR radar is similar to the one in INS Rana.

We can see some kind of VLS peeking out behind the naval officer's ear in the photo.

 

[Ayan Barat]

It's more likely that the Indian Navy initially planned to use 8 x BrahMos NG and since it wasn't ready on time, Plan B was to use a 2 x twin BrahMos ER setup per the ol

You can be absolutely correct, but I don't think navy has at any point shown such profound interest for BrahMos-NG. They usually go for what's cent percent tangible.

In fact BrahMos-NG in itself is an utterly baffling topic for me.
Take the example of Astra, it was fired for the first time in 2014. [Remove an year or two because a party generally avoids defence spending after immediately coming into power or near an election, focusing more on welfare schemes. One two years more because of Chinese BatMan] 2021, DRDO was launching Astra as VL-SRSAM. By 2022, DRDO was already on Astra Mk-II. By 2025, we can expect an Astra Mk-III. Even without the leeway of 3-4 years, DRDO managed to churn out a new variant every 2-3 years.

BrahMos is not sarkaari, there's no babudom, no tight budget...still the only feat they've managed to pull till date is indigenized bits and pieces, "increase" the range to 850km (increase in quotation, because they didn't increase it, they simply unlocked the "actual Russian range" decreased due to MTCR), literally dropped one from Su-30 instead of ground launching...this much in two and a half decades since first firing. And none of these are as significant as DRDO stuffing a dual pulse motor or ground launching one. What happened to BrahMos-NG? What happened to the much touted AWACS killer air-to-air missile? And BrahMos-2?

And I'm completely ignoring the fact that most of these indigenization has been done by the likes of less appreciated firms like Astra Microwave, Alpha Defence Technologies, DRDO, Data Patterns and who not.

You'd see how BrahMos-NG is slowly getting replaced at all other non-BrahMos Aerospace booths like IAF/Navy/HAL by other systems like Rudram and CATS in all the exhibitions. Moreover, if I'm not wrong then the initial mock-ups of this NGMV has 4x regular BrahMos on each side of the superstructure.

So extremely sorry for long rant and TL;DR, my theory's those are just some random missile tubes like Harpoon that someone added to show tentative 8x AShM. Just like how the much circulated leaked image of P-18 is actually Italian DDX.

I managed to enhance the image of the banner from the event and there is a possibility of 16 x VL-SRSAM since the X-Band MFR radar is similar to the one in INS Rana.

We can see some kind of VLS peeking out behind the Naval officer's ear in the photo.

Those can very well be 8x VL-SRSAM VLS on each side.

But what are the chances of them being the dome of AK-630?

 

[vampyrbladez]

Those can very well be 8x VL-SRSAM VLS on each side.

But what are the chances of them being the dome of AK-630?

The VL-SRSAM can be put under the FFBNW (Fitted For But Not With) category until we see the launch of the actual ship.

This the render of the Kamorta Class and the final configuration for configuration.

However, without VL-SRSAM these vessels will be absolutely toothless to protect an ASW squadron (1 x Kamorta Class, 4 x ASW-SWC).

 

[ezsasa]

A Passenger boat en route to #Elephantacaves from #Gateway of India In #Mumbai capsized after Indian Navy's speed boat hit it. The owner of the capsized boat, Rajendra Padate alleged that a speed boat which was circling nearby came & dashed into the boat.


View: https://x.com/OzarkarVallabh/status/1869365395553243366

Mumbai Boat Accident | Maharashtra CM Devendra Fadnavis says, "Near Mumbai, at the Butcher Island, a Navy boat collided with 'Neelkamal' passenger vessel at around 3.55 pm. As per the information till 7.30 pm, 101 have been rescued safely and 13 people have died. Among the 13 deceased, 10 are civilians and 3 are Navy personnel. Two people who are critically injured are admitted to the Navy hospital. Using 11 craft and 4 helicopters, the Navy, Coast Guard and police have carried out the rescue operations. The final information regarding any more missing people will be available tomorrow morning. The bereaved families will be given Rs. 5 lakhs ex gratia from the CM relief fund. The whole incident would be investigated by the police and the Navy..."


View: https://x.com/ANI/status/1869396176019272075

 

[Ayan Barat]

The VL-SRSAM can be put under the FFBNW (Fitted For But Not With) category until we see the launch of the actual ship.

This the render of the Kamorta Class and the final configuration for configuration.

However, without VL-SRSAM these vessels will be absolutely toothless to protect an ASW squadron (1 x Kamorta Class, 4 x ASW-SWC).

Imagine if during actual launch it turns out that the only air-defence other than two AK-630s are 2-4 Twin VSHORAD launchers...keeping with the IN's legacy of using Strelas on Veer/Khukri/Kora

 

[Yuyutsu]

MARCOS were onboard?? apparently 3 navy guys died

A Passenger boat en route to #Elephantacaves from #Gateway of India In #Mumbai capsized after Indian Navy's speed boat hit it. The owner of the capsized boat, Rajendra Padate alleged that a speed boat which was circling nearby came & dashed into the boat.


View: https://x.com/OzarkarVallabh/status/1869365395553243366

Mumbai Boat Accident | Maharashtra CM Devendra Fadnavis says, "Near Mumbai, at the Butcher Island, a Navy boat collided with 'Neelkamal' passenger vessel at around 3.55 pm. As per the information till 7.30 pm, 101 have been rescued safely and 13 people have died. Among the 13 deceased, 10 are civilians and 3 are Navy personnel. Two people who are critically injured are admitted to the Navy hospital. Using 11 craft and 4 helicopters, the Navy, Coast Guard and police have carried out the rescue operations. The final information regarding any more missing people will be available tomorrow morning. The bereaved families will be given Rs. 5 lakhs ex gratia from the CM relief fund. The whole incident would be investigated by the police and the Navy..."


View: https://x.com/ANI/status/1869396176019272075

 

[vampyrbladez]

Imagine if during actual launch it turns out that the only air-defence other than two AK-630s are 2-4 Twin VSHORAD launchers...keeping with the IN's legacy of using Strelas on Veer/Khukri/Kora

The VL-SRSAM can be put under the FFBNW (Fitted For But Not With) category until we see the launch of the actual ship.

This the render of the Kamorta Class and the final configuration post commissioning.

However, without VL-SRSAM these vessels will be absolutely toothless to protect an ASW squadron (1 x Kamorta Class, 4 x ASW-SWC).

The NGMV is thus analogous to the Buyan Class.

Since there is no helipad on the ship, we cannot even deploy a modular Tor like missile system onto it as an interim measure like the Russians.

 

[ezsasa]

MARCOS were onboard?? apparently 3 navy guys died

looks like it. freeze the frame just before impact, there's a guy in camo.