Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[Ayan Barat]

Can it be done by modifying something we already have with minimum effort ?

The RIM-116 is made by strapping a Stinger seeker on a Sidewinder missile. So for the seeker we definitely have VSHORAD one but we don't have any Sidewinder analogue. The closest would be Astra but it's too heavy and more of an ESSM analogue.

And what else will be needed besides the projectile?
Also looking at the pictures of USN and PLAN CIWS, ours look like ancient

I'll be posting a detailed article on this topic soon.

So as long as it has an ammo feed, gun is always live.

No to mention the fact that some older generation miniguns can be fired by just rotating the barrel cluster by hand.

 

[Ayan Barat]

Perhaps the first clear view of Thakur with his arms chopped off...I know it may sound bit sadistic, but looks good.

 

[Fatalis]

Perhaps the first clear view of Thakur with his arms chopped off...I know it may sound bit sadistic, but looks good.
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They could have gone for SRGM instead of the A-190M gun as the former is planned to be used on Triput class.

 

[vampyrbladez]

More pictures of INS Tushil

 

[vampyrbladez]

INS Surat

Before Sea Trials :

After Sea Trials :

Older 76mm SRGM cupola to be replaced before or post commissioning.

Credit: VivekSi85847001 (Twitter)

 

[Ayan Barat]

They could have gone for SRGM instead of the A-190M gun as the former is planned to be used on Triput class.

Maybe the Italians were not okay with sending TDP to Russian shipyard because even for "for but not with" type set-up where the guns would have been fitted here in India, the Russian shipyards would have needed quite a bit of technical insight. As for Triput Class, they're being made completely here so not a big deal.

We have already replaced the 100mm on Trishul with SRGM because I'm pretty sure we don't make 100mm gucci ammo and it's all imported. So just a matter of time before all of the 100mm gets replaced

 

[125mm_Smoothbore]

 

[mist_consecutive]

Pretty cool that we commissioned 3 big ships in a single month (with last Kalvari-class submarine to be comissioned next month in Jan).

INS Surat - Vishakhapatnam class Destroyer
INS Tushil - Improved Talwar-class Frigate
INS Nilgiri - Nilgiri class Frigate

INS Vagsheer - Kalvari-class Submarine (next Month)

This alone is enough to sink entire Pakistani Navy and blockade insignificant countries like Bangladesh.

 

[NerVik]

Pretty cool that we commissioned 3 big ships in a single month (with last Kalvari-class submarine to be comissioned next month in Jan).

INS Surat - Vishakhapatnam class Destroyer
INS Tushil - Improved Talwar-class Frigate
INS Nilgiri - Nilgiri class Frigate

INS Vagsheer - Kalvari-class Submarine (next Month)

This alone is enough to sink entire Pakistani Navy and blockade insignificant countries like Bangladesh.

It's a refreshing change of news from the usual delays and accidents. But.
What I really want is to focus in PLAN, we went past PN a long time ago. We need to upgrade the arms on our capital ships they are too underarmed, and missing key defensive weapons like a RIM analogue. We are missing a BMD system and equally important we need to speed up indigenization. We are still using the likes of Barak 8, MFSTAR, Indra radars, and Ukrainian engines. Also I am not seeing much progress or even any efforts to combat drone warfare, where do we stand on that?

 

[shade2]

Pretty cool that we commissioned 3 big ships in a single month (with last Kalvari-class submarine to be comissioned next month in Jan).

INS Surat - Vishakhapatnam class Destroyer
INS Tushil - Improved Talwar-class Frigate
INS Nilgiri - Nilgiri class Frigate

INS Vagsheer - Kalvari-class Submarine (next Month)

This alone is enough to sink entire Pakistani Navy and blockade insignificant countries like Bangladesh.

Speaking of them, how does the Navy's current inventory stack up against their soon to be 15 Black AIP Submarines of Ola?

afaik we have

• Most warships with sonars and heavyweight torpedo launchers and the Navy-pasand RBU-6000 for what it's worth, most with helipad
• That carries Romeo/SeaKing/Kamov for ASW submarine detection and all can carry torpedos themselves
• P-8I Poseidon that drops sonobuoys, can carry 5 torpedos and has an assortment of other ASW stuff
• Our submarines themselves, the vintage German and Roosi ones and the latest Kalvaris

And we will get in the future

• 16 ASW-SWC Corvettes
• 8 Predator SeaGuardian drones, if Amrika Saar graciously delivers them to us
• C-295 based ASW planes, these can carry torpedos also.

TLDR is our current stack good enough or do we badly need those German U-boots for which the Navy has the hots for?
In general does various surface and aerial ASW platforms make up for lack of literal submarines?

 

[rohitb3]

Still no full clear pic of Nilgiri? Is it some secret high tech warship with no public pictures ?

 

[Blood+]

Can it be done by modifying something we already have with minimum effort ?

Yes, my modifying the NGCCM aka ASRAAM, but we will need a license for inhouse production.

Also looking at the pictures of USN and PLAN CIWS, ours look like ancient

Yeah but our ships have significantly more of those on board than their USN/ PLAN counterparts. Take for example, the latest PLAN DDGs like Type 055 and 052D. Now, each of those comes with one very impressive eleven barreled monster of a Gatling gun but they have got only one, facing the front, thus leaving the rear section without any cover (I know, I know, they have got their HQ-10s for that).

This set up is also quite deficient in handling a multi directional saturation attack, especially if the incoming threats happen to be of supersonic nature.

Meanwhile, each IN vessel comes with at least 2 or even 4 such guns. Plus, some of them have got the Barak-1 for close quarter defense.

 

[shiphone]

lol, you'd better have a study why 2 AK630 were placed on each side a ship and normally salvo required for a combat operation....

AK630 is an old and outdated gun....the dispersion of projectile is so horrible that actually it was designed to resist against the airplanes and old generation Anti ship missile ... 'more guns(at least 2 on each side)' is the MUST not the advantage.

 

[AbRaj]

Yes, my modifying the NGCCM aka ASRAAM, but we will need a license for inhouse production.

For a imported AAM its just not worth it to invest so much time and resources.

Yeah but our ships have significantly more of those on board than their USN/ PLAN counterparts. Take for example, the latest PLAN DDGs like Type 055 and 052D. Now, each of those comes with one very impressive eleven barreled monster of a Gatling gun but they have got only one, facing the front, thus leaving the rear section without any cover (I know, I know, they have got their HQ-10s for that).

This set up is also quite deficient in handling a multi directional saturation attack, especially if the incoming threats happen to be of supersonic nature.

Meanwhile, each IN vessel comes with at least 2 or even 4 such guns. Plus, some of them have got the Barak-1 for close quarter defense.

I see. But IMO majority of the incoming projectiles will be approaching from sides due to large surface area exposed, compared to front and back. Few good CIWS with good targeting system and high rate of fire can do the job quite efficiently compared to multiple independent inefficient systems