Indian Politics and Democracy

shade2 said:
The first UP election that was won was because of Modi magic.
They selected Yogi as a power move on the incubmbents in the UP BJP political scene.

Now later Yogi started becoming popular, Batman-Robin started seeing him as a threat, the next UP election was won on the basis of Yogi's Bulldozer magic, and by now his popularity among the people made it so that he couldn't be replaced as CM.

Unlike others i don't think that Bhajipao high command sabotaged the LS 2024 seats in UP, if they had those they wouldn't have had to keep Naidu close with blank cheque for AP.

The "showing their place" stuff happens in state elections, muncipal elections or by-elections.
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Prasad said:
The whole 'Yogi is a threat to Modi and Shah' is pretty much an invention of opposition to split Rajput votes..
Anyone could clearly see that.

Imagine this, UP is pretty much the crown jewel of BJP. It's not Gujarat, MP or any other state. It's UP.
They handed their crown jewel to Yogi, twice.

Insinuations aside, exactly what is in public to remotely indicate that Yogi is not liked by Modi or Shah?

Coming to candidates, yes, some were tough to swallow but that is par for course for national parties with central leadership having a greater say.
In fact, it's par for course for any party. The top leadership always has the final say.

These smart people are saying to fix Yogi, Modi & Shah deliberately sabotaged themselves in UP...I can at least buy that logic if it were assembly elections where Yogi would be affected. These are national elections.

Someone convince me why Modi & Shah cut their own balls to spite Yogi?
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Even I feel its stupid to think that BJP tried to sabotage themselves in UP. Delhi ka rasta UP se he... proven formula for long. But I can't rule out in fighting.

For the bold part, I don't think Modi ji has issues. In fact, their rapport, at least the one available in public domain, is positive only. It could be between AS and Yogiji.
 
Prasad said:
Eventually BJP will lose. 3 consecutive terms in Indian politics is a miracle.
They might lose the next elections, not because they did bad but because of the nature of electoral politics.

Why the average IT coolie, let's include coolies from every facet of industry and govt employees, all of them would get their brains fixed with a single term of Cong in power.
That's how most people turned to BJP 15 years back.
Every generation needs a kick. And Congress is an expert at giving not only a kick but also shoving a boot up hindu's bumhole.
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While its too early, I don't think so.
They might be losing presence in some places. But they also are winning newer territories. Its important they keep healthy alliances, while aiming to win 272 alone and being popular with first time voters.
I propose 'ek aur baar, 300 paar' as the slogan for 2029 :ROFLMAO:
A lot depends on US election results this year.
 
Vinash said:
"If anyone stands against Hinduism, we'll burn them to Ashes"

The kind of leader H's deserve, not the hisab chuktha chutiya in power right now.


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>BT's party was/is a regional party
>BT's party never could come to power by itself even in the state(granted MH is a large state )

At the end of the day Bhajipao being milque toast is a function of them needing to stay in power.

Viraat Hindu leedors are no use if they are like a 20 seat party in state elections while the centre is controlled by a party that is itself lead by whiteys and half-breeds

Criticizing Ambedkar openly is impossible when even if they do maxxx appeasement, Chorgress spins 400 paar as a scheme to remove reservation and the SCs then vote for congress and abandon BJP.
 
Vinash said:
"If anyone stands against Hinduism, we'll burn them to Ashes"

The kind of leader H's deserve, not the hisab chuktha chutiya in power right now.


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Usually I make it a point not to engage you but misconceptions & half knowledge which if not clarified & dispelled can be dangerous.

A bit of background about the controversy helps

Riddles in Hinduism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

This incident dates back to the mid to late 1980s before the SRJB movement blew up across the country. Now the Dalit movement though fragmented then & now is a formidable force in Maharashtra especially when it comes to issues on Dr Ambedkar where all factions sink their differences & unite.

At that point in time the SS was an urban phenomenon restricted to Thane & Mumbai where they gained popularity among native Maharashtrians on the insider vs outsider issue namely promotion of the local's interests over outsiders with the outsider initially being the Gujaratis who dominated the economy in Mumbai & later on the South Indians.

That's how he built up his support base in these cities. This was in the 1960s . The SS won the BMC elections in early 1980s. That provided them with the much needed finances needed to build up their organisation & expand.

The only places they could expand was into the rest of Maharashtra . Now this was a unique phenomenon of a predominantly urban party with a very restricted program in one corner of the state trying to expand over the rest of the state. Back in that time the urban rural divide was vast with the urban population in Maharashtra being ~ 20% .

This issue of publishing the work of Dr Ambedkar a controversial issue due to the topic came at the right time for the SS & BT . He exploited it fully to build up his organisational presence across the state. Eventually the SRJB movement which blew up soon after became his focus & the book ban issue faded into the background. He never raised it ever in his lifetime even when the Govt of Maharashtra later continued to publish the book.

It helps to note that in between 1960-1970 the SS functioned as the muscle arm of the Congress & the same Gujarati barons whom he & the SS vilified in public to put down the trade unions dominated by the communists.

en.wikipedia.org

Krishna Desai - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
 
Suryavanshi said:
There is a constant perception among the urban naxal liberandu that Gujarat is an overrated state and most of its wealth is ill begotten through the favorable policies of Mudi.
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so it is a udta teer syndrome.

libtard intellectual class hate money makers who don't give them hafta.
libtard NGOs hate money makers because if there is more money in the society, that would make their NGOs power less.
libtard politicians hate money makers because if that money gets redistributed in the society, poverty politics lose their prominence.

so an old wine in new bottle that was supposed to be about demonising the money making class is getting repurposed, beneficiary is still the same the libtards, in our case congis.

funny part is, some times i find folks who talk about shatrubodh on even days, on odd days they use logics that has commie/congi origins. ideally folks who are so worried about shatrubodh, should also be alert to the fact that shatru is not always a person it can also be an idea.
 
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@ezsasa I thought this would be interesting to you. I do not know but this discussion and lecture by Jeffrey seems to be reflection of what US is really thinking on India China situation. This Jeff seems to be holding quite sway - and says his students in Washington failed him... he clearly articulated India is not ally ...
Not sure who he is but discussion clip and of all comments only one liked comment makes things clear where they stand:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WxtJlpOwm8
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@Mods move this post to appropriate thread - because I could not find one. We really Need a thread named "India through American Intelligentsia lens:"
 
Anants said:
@ezsasa I thought this would be interesting to you. I do not know but this discussion and lecture by Jeffrey seems to be reflection of what US is really thinking on India China situation. This Jeff seems to be holding quite sway - and says his students in Washington failed him... he clearly articulated India is not ally ...
Not sure who he is but discussion clip and of all comments only one liked comment makes things clear where they stand:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WxtJlpOwm8
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@Mods move this post to appropriate thread - because I could not find one. We really Need a thread named" India through American Intelligential lens"
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this jefferey sachs is popping up in my YT recommendations as well for past few months for some reason.

on Mearsheimer, i had written about him on DFI when he came to Indian express think fest interviewed by grandson of goenka. pointing out his hypocrisy, that thread is deleted now.
 
ezsasa said:
this jefferey sachs is popping up in my YT recommendations as well for past few months for some reason.

on Mearsheimer, i had written about him on DFI when he came to Indian express think fest interviewed by grandson of goenka. pointing out his hypocrisy, that thread is deleted now.
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Actually gut says-- this is reflection of US deep state. They have antipathy for India and wants US to mend or adjust for Chinese aspirations.
 
Anants said:
@ezsasa I thought this would be interesting to you. I do not know but this discussion and lecture by Jeffrey seems to be reflection of what US is really thinking on India China situation. This Jeff seems to be holding quite sway - and says his students in Washington failed him... he clearly articulated India is not ally ...
Not sure who he is but discussion clip and of all comments only one liked comment makes things clear where they stand:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WxtJlpOwm8
View attachment 11479

@Mods move this post to appropriate thread - because I could not find one. We really Need a thread named "India through American Intelligentsia lens:"
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This Jaffrey Sachs guy is a deep state mandarin, one of the OG neocons/leftists responsible for the rape of Russia in the 90s . He's a very dangerous person with Cold war era East coast mentality (Pak-China is an ally) . If Kamala comes to power expect US India ties to worsen .
 
Anants said:
Actually gut says-- this is reflection of US deep state. They have antipathy for India and wants US to mend or adjust for Chinese aspirations.
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incidentally jaishankar two days in a row in different public interactions, made it a point to mention something along the lines of "we need to be aware of motivations of different players, plan for them, execute our own plans in our self interest".
 
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