Indian Politics and Democracy

Prasad said:
Obvious question on everyone's mind now.

Can something like what happened in Bangladesh and Srilanka happen in India where democratically elected govts are overthrown by mobs?

Our checks and balances are strong and anyone who tries this stuff will need to survive the police, courts and even military.
but the question is, if someone tries it, can they do ala Bangla and SL?
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If any gvt in the future announces that it's watering down - not even ending - reservations you can expect exactly the same scenes to unfold here if the military fails to get a grasp of the situation. Already we saw a CISF personnel who was sympathetic to the farmers protest get triggered by an MP's comments on the same issue leading to a very public slap which cost her her job.
 
Clawreed said:
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Modiji couldn't have been more wrong when we look at the current state of the world. 🤣
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Babaji in his infinite wisdom telling the truth. But we cannot simply invade bangbros and kill 20 Crore to equalize with Genghiz khan.

So the next better solution is defensive posture and diplomatic relation. Build an wall.
 
A lot of people are forgetting the biggest difference between Bangladesh + rest of South Asia vs India in these type of situations:

In its ENTIRE INDEPENDENT HISTORY, Indian military has remained a-political and ALL other South Asian nations have had military being dragged into politics at some point or another.

For eg, India has never deployed the military to handle a completely internal security issue like riots or protests, Its only ever involved the military when there is organised threat to NatSec, like in the case of ULFA, JeM, etc. in N.East/Kashmir/Red belt, etc., with potential organised links to foreigners.

The moment you drag the army in and say 'hey you- go put down those protesters there', you are treading in dangerous territory and its a matter of time before the military feels they must 'rescue' the situation internally.
This is why, whenever there is law and order problem in matured democracies like USA or UK, even if its absolutely anti-national crap like BLM or Antifa or the current Uk riots, they've always gone hammer and tongs- VIA THE POLICE.

India so far, understands this. From Jawaharlal to Indira to Modi- they all respond to the Beedie type riots with 'police' - even if its declaring emergency and putting it under direct central rule, its still the POLICE that deals with this kinda thing.

This is why, a coup is extremely unlikely in India or USA or any such matured democracies : since the military has never been involved in an internal political issue, it becomes nearly impossible for the military to suddenly step in and 'do something' about the anarchy in the country.

And if you guys look closely through history, almost ALL countries that have had military coups, have had a past situation of the goverment first calling in the military to deal with the internal rebellion/political issue topic, which gives the military bigwigs, a precedent of 'well when this happened, we were asked to step in and do something, so now we should step in and do something'.

The lesson from BD is to centralize and strengthen police force. Crush this kinda rioting like the west does: via its police. Dont ever involve military, else military will one day try and take over. Its just that simple. So far India is 10/10 on this.
 
Whatever happens, never get provoked due to any issue especially caste related ones.
 
The anti-CAA riots, followed by the farmer-Khalistani protests, were orchestrated to provoke a forceful government response leading to high number of casualties. The intention was to generate global condemnation, allowing the instigators and their benefactors to escalate the unrest nationwide in the 2nd phase. While we criticized the govt for its weak initial response, their actions in hindsight seems like a very smart move. I really hope RA&W and IB are on highest alert. China will move most likely when we are distracted by internal strife.
 
GaudaNaresh said:
A lot of people are forgetting the biggest difference between Bangladesh + rest of South Asia vs India in these type of situations:

In its ENTIRE INDEPENDENT HISTORY, Indian military has remained a-political and ALL other South Asian nations have had military being dragged into politics at some point or another.

For eg, India has never deployed the military to handle a completely internal security issue like riots or protests, Its only ever involved the military when there is organised threat to NatSec, like in the case of ULFA, JeM, etc. in N.East/Kashmir/Red belt, etc., with potential organised links to foreigners.

The moment you drag the army in and say 'hey you- go put down those protesters there', you are treading in dangerous territory and its a matter of time before the military feels they must 'rescue' the situation internally.
This is why, whenever there is law and order problem in matured democracies like USA or UK, even if its absolutely anti-national crap like BLM or Antifa or the current Uk riots, they've always gone hammer and tongs- VIA THE POLICE.

India so far, understands this. From Jawaharlal to Indira to Modi- they all respond to the Beedie type riots with 'police' - even if its declaring emergency and putting it under direct central rule, its still the POLICE that deals with this kinda thing.

This is why, a coup is extremely unlikely in India or USA or any such matured democracies : since the military has never been involved in an internal political issue, it becomes nearly impossible for the military to suddenly step in and 'do something' about the anarchy in the country.

And if you guys look closely through history, almost ALL countries that have had military coups, have had a past situation of the goverment first calling in the military to deal with the internal rebellion/political issue topic, which gives the military bigwigs, a precedent of 'well when this happened, we were asked to step in and do something, so now we should step in and do something'.

The lesson from BD is to centralize and strengthen police force. Crush this kinda rioting like the west does: via its police. Dont ever involve military, else military will one day try and take over. Its just that simple. So far India is 10/10 on this.
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I think during Reservation related protests in Haryana in 2010 and 2016 , military was called in and some protesters/ anarchist were also killed due to direct firing by the soldiers.
 
GaudaNaresh said:
For eg, India has never deployed the military to handle a completely internal security issue like riots or protests, Its only ever involved the military when there is organised threat to NatSec, like in the case of ULFA, JeM, etc. in N.East/Kashmir/Red belt, etc., with potential organised links to foreigners.

The moment you drag the army in and say 'hey you- go put down those protesters there', you are treading in dangerous territory and its a matter of time before the military feels they must 'rescue' the situation internally.
This is why, whenever there is law and order problem in matured democracies like USA or UK, even if its absolutely anti-national crap like BLM or Antifa or the current Uk riots, they've always gone hammer and tongs- VIA THE POLICE.
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The highlighted part is not accurate, India has called upon its military to handle riots many a times. Infact, it has unfortunately become the norm to ask for army's intervention if riots go past 48 hrs. The state police is usually poorly trained and the state administrators incompetent or impatient, so they frequently put the burden on the center to control riots.
 
Anants said:

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What we are hearing across delhi circles - circulating amongst journalists now.

Sheikh Hasina was told by her army chief in no uncertain terms that the military will not get further involved in protest suppression activity, and prepared to withdraw from their positions defending government facilities - incl. PM residence. With the admin completely reliant on army troops and the near collapse of police forces, the withdrawal of army cover effectively ended the ability of the admin to control the protestors.

In effect, the army chief advised Hasina to resign and escape - we think that the army chief advised her that without her resignation, effective immediately, the army could not or would not guarantee her safety and that of her family i.e. she would not make it out alive.

With that the end of her reign was sealed.
 
DivineHeretic said:
What we are hearing across delhi circles - circulating amongst journalists now.

Sheikh Hasina was told by her army chief in no uncertain terms that the military will not get further involved in protest suppression activity, and prepared to withdraw from their positions defending government facilities - incl. PM residence. With the admin completely reliant on army troops and the near collapse of police forces, the withdrawal of army cover effectively ended the ability of the admin to control the protestors.

In effect, the army chief advised Hasina to resign and escape - we think that the army chief advised her that without her resignation, effective immediately, the army could not or would not guarantee her safety and that of her family i.e. she would not make it out alive.

With that the end of her reign was sealed.
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Army was dissuaded last time by India in 2012. This time Army got backed by engineered turmoil and already seems it had made backroom deal with US - so what happened seems Army had a role.
 
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