Indian Small Arms and Weapons

[Mr.Evil]

View: https://x.com/ajitkdubey/status/1831009601010995254

 

[Mr.Evil]

this gives you a glimpse of the existing rot in the Basic firearms training of IA!
Every clown under this video is complaining about the recoil and no one fuckin notices this nonce handling the rifle like a retard!

They never trained with 7.62x51 that’s why I hope the next gen will be way better.
lol they are blaming a SIG Gucci rifle and not the fuckin shooter who is griping that shit like a waiter with plates.

 

[Whitecollar0007]

5.56*45
7.62*39
7.62*51
Imagine 3 fucking calibres for assault rifles
I am not counting snipers and pistols

Imagine that we're long entangled in a 2 front war situation and suddenly MoD announces Drafting of general public. Then imagine regular guy with average physique being given a full NATO powered rifle and asked to go fight. If he's not able to handle the rifle and asks for a change, imagine IA giving him an INSAS instead...

It's horrifying to even think of...

 

[VictorDelta4]

View: https://x.com/ajitkdubey/status/1831009601010995254

My guy here has a better shooting stance than that Colonel.

 

[Whitecollar0007]

They never trained with 7.62x51 that’s why I hope the next gen will be way better.
lol they are blaming a SIG Gucci rifle and not the fuckin shooter who is griping that shit like a waiter with plates.

Well, they had the hathi maar SLR for quite some decades. That should be enough to teach them something about a 7.62 full NATO round recoil. It's actually the lack of recoil control tactics that should be taught as a basic first step to jawans but alas...our methods of training, trainers as a whole and even our process of selection of right cartridge done by Jernais is complete and utter sub standard.

 

[Ayan Barat]

Damn...everyone's talking about recoil and physique and what not

It seems not many are fan of Autumn...

View: https://youtu.be/s3PHdWs4udw&t=145
...she's 11 by the way.

 

[Magadha Naresh]

Damn...everyone's talking about recoil and physique and what not

It seems not many are fan of Autumn...

View: https://youtu.be/s3PHdWs4udw&t=145
...she's 11 by the way.

And being 11 , she should not hold a damn gun to be really honest .

 

[Corvus Splendens]

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View: https://t.me/based_sigma_1210/2231

Now that's a COD setup. Recoil be damned.

 

[Mr.Evil]

Iam genuinely curious what’s the plan here?how is this supposed to work?

View: https://x.com/KesariDhwaj/status/1830908953129295887

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Iam genuinely curious what’s the plan here?how is this supposed to work?

View: https://x.com/KesariDhwaj/status/1830908953129295887

The 7.62x39 rounds will arc down like howitzer shells because of their low velocity and hit unsuspecting choinese bois from above.

Spoiler

/s

 

[Mr.Evil]

The 7.62x39 rounds will arc down like howitzer shells because of their low velocity and hit unsuspecting choinese bois from above.

Spoiler

/s

Wait all of you guys are saying it’s a bad round why tf did army select it then?iam sure they do testing and shit no?or do they just go inky pinky ponky and select it

 

[username unkown]

Wait all of you guys are saying it’s a bad round why tf did army select it then?iam sure they do testing and shit no?or do they just go inky pinky ponky and select it

Its cheap it kills

 

[Ayan Barat]

Wait all of you guys are saying it’s a bad round why tf did army select it then?iam sure they do testing and shit no?or do they just go inky pinky ponky and select it

Short answer; we're complicit to buy something from Russian to please them after numerous high value defence deals with West. Hence we bought whatever they shoved down our throats.

If our soldiers really were so adamant on getting an AK and we really cared about the CQB performance of 7.62x39mm then we could have easily gone for an upgraded Trichy Assault Rifle. Ironically a much better AK (milled vs stamped) but without paying any royalty or establishing a new factory and joint venture.


USSR and China were the two very first country to adopt 7.62x39mm ammunition. Just google whether they're still using it or not.

Long answer; there are few terms like Ballistic Coefficient (BC), energy retention, supersonic flight, drift-drop and wound profile in external ballistic that are key to performance. Only a layman would go with the argument of "7.62x39mm kills, 5.56x45mm injures" instead of these parameters.

Caliber - Bullet - Weight - Velocity
5.56x45mm - Mk262 - 77gr - 2,700fps
7.62x39mm - M67 - 123gr - 2,400fps

Ballistic Coefficient (BC)
Bit cumbersome to calculate but it gives a dimensionless number which tells the bullets ability to overcome air resistance; the higher the BC the slower it'd lose velocity.
Approx BC for Mk262 is 0.4 and that for M67 is 0.3

Energy Retention
How much energy a bullet loses after every meter of travel because of air resistance and gravitational pull. The more energy a bullet would retain at the anticipated engagement range, the more damage it would do to the target.
For Mk262 it's 1,100ft-lbs @ 100yd, 780ft-lbs @ 300yd and 540ft-lbs @ 500yd.
For M67 it becomes 1,130ft-lbs @ 100yd, 610ft-lbs @ 300yd and 350ft-lbs @ 500yd.

Supersonic Flight
The faster (or supersonic) a bullet would go, the lesser it would get affected by wind and gravity. Also as a bullet would slowly decelerate from supersonic speed it would ultimately hit transonic speed...transonic speed scares aerodynamic engineers more than hypersonic; in this phase weird things start happening. Gere also the bullet might drastically lose its velocity or even simply tumble down if it goes transonic. So what we try to achieve is to maintain this supersonic speed for as long as possible.
A Mk262 is supersonic till 850yd. For M67 is 500yd

Drift & Drop
Continuation of the previous point. If it has comparatively higher velocity and lower weight then it would have lesser drift (bullets going sideways due to wind) and lesser drop (bullet going downward because of gravity).
At 300yd a Mk262 drops about 9" and at the same range it's a whopping 23" for M67. Similar ratios are for drift.

Wound Profile
Yellow line's at 30cm penetration depth

Red line's at 20cm penetration depth

 

[Mr.Evil]

Short answer; we're complicit to buy something from Russian to please them after numerous high value defence deals with West. Hence we bought whatever they shoved down our throats.

If our soldiers really were so adamant on getting an AK and we really cared about the CQB performance of 7.62x39mm then we could have easily gone for an upgraded Trichy Assault Rifle. Ironically a much better AK (milled vs stamped) but without paying any royalty or establishing a new factory and joint venture.
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USSR and China were the two very first country to adopt 7.62x39mm ammunition. Just google whether they're still using it or not.

Long answer; there are few terms like Ballistic Coefficient (BC), energy retention, supersonic flight, drift-drop and wound profile in external ballistic that are key to performance. Only a layman would go with the argument of "7.62x39mm kills, 5.56x45mm injures" instead of these parameters.

Caliber - Bullet - Weight - Velocity
5.56x45mm - Mk262 - 77gr - 2,700fps
7.62x39mm - M67 - 123gr - 2,400fps

Ballistic Coefficient (BC)
Bit cumbersome to calculate but it gives a dimensionless number which tells the bullets ability to overcome air resistance; the higher the BC the slower it'd lose velocity.
Approx BC for Mk262 is 0.4 and that for M67 is 0.3

Energy Retention
How much energy a bullet loses after every meter of travel because of air resistance and gravitational pull. The more energy a bullet would retain at the anticipated engagement range, the more damage it would do to the target.
For Mk262 it's 1,100ft-lbs @ 100yd, 780ft-lbs @ 300yd and 540ft-lbs @ 500yd.
For M67 it becomes 1,130ft-lbs @ 100yd, 610ft-lbs @ 300yd and 350ft-lbs @ 500yd.

Supersonic Flight
The faster (or supersonic) a bullet would go, the lesser it would get affected by wind and gravity. Also as a bullet would slowly decelerate from supersonic speed it would ultimately hit transonic speed...transonic speed scares aerodynamic engineers more than hypersonic; in this phase weird things start happening. Gere also the bullet might drastically lose its velocity or even simply tumble down if it goes transonic. So what we try to achieve is to maintain this supersonic speed for as long as possible.
A Mk262 is supersonic till 850yd. For M67 is 500yd

Drift & Drop
Continuation of the previous point. If it has comparatively higher velocity and lower weight then it would have lesser drift (bullets going sideways due to wind) and lesser drop (bullet going downward because of gravity).
At 300yd a Mk262 drops about 9" and at the same range it's a whopping 23" for M67. Similar ratios are for drift.

Wound Profile
Yellow line's at 30cm penetration depth
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Red line's at 20cm penetration depth
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Thanks for such a detailed answer man I get it now so we just fked ourselves to please the ruskies well done lads.

 

[username unkown]

Thanks for such a detailed answer man I get it now so we just fked ourselves to please the ruskies well done lads.

First over expensive aks for Russians instead of upgraded Trichy
And now gold plated junk stryker for america yeah same stryker which are hated by american troops themselves

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Thanks for such a detailed answer man I get it now so we just fked ourselves to please the ruskies well done lads.

We could've asked Rosiya for the AK-202 in 5.56. We didn't.

 

[truthsoldier]

We could've asked Rosiya for the AK-202 in 5.56. We didn't.
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It is strange kind of diplomacy we play where we sacrifice our own industries for pleasing a foreign country. Any serious country of our size and requirement would have asked top private engineering companies to sit and design rifles indigenously in 75 yrs but for the love of hit-your-own-foot diplomacy and OFB unions we did not do it

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Drdo has created one gun if I remember in 6.8spc

 

[gokusan]

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I think they introduced this back in 2015 , if only we had better understanding between army and the organisation ..

 

[Ayan Barat]

In early 60s, just four or five years after getting designed we're one of the very first countries to have tested ArmaLite's AR-10. If selected, we'd have started licensed production of an AR platform even before US had adopted it.

In 2024, we're going gaga over a Kalashnikov designed in 1946 and eventually replaced in 1974.