Indian Special Forces

I have tried my best but it seems like people are happy with mediocracy in this country be it the guys in the military or the people outside ima just shut up about it on Twitter now let them he happy with their beautiful patkas
These people if put on LOC will ask for Gucci gear.

Since no one from their family is fighting they think its a waste.

Plus some people carry looser attitude like this guy.

I always ask for better gear coz of only one reason that we should save every life we can.
 
Ok so saw someone defending this by saying the gear is like this because of the terrain it's very "terrain specific" now I am a noob and I know jackshit about stuff so I won't comment but to the respected members @Jedi Operator @Airborne22 @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR @rkhanna @lexCommando @spadex @Alby @VictorDelta4 with years of experience and knowledge I do put forward the question what terrain or mission dosent allow them to replace

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Whatever the fuck jugaad PC stitched together this is with a very light ergonomic laser cut molly PC preferably square cut and what terrain and mission profile dosent allow the soldiers to replace their pathkas with a decent ACH forget about HCBH especially the ones from MKU newer models which have been tested against AK rounds and have proved effective the one point people kept bringing up for why pathka is better that point has been dead for more than 2 years let's leave the rest of the gear comms and other shit let's just talk about these 2 things IK I am really a noob in this field and I know next to nothing so what could be the reason?
MARCOS From two different eras
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The top one looks like a Kargil era / african militia type
the lower one looks like gucci / light for working in this terrain

So what's the army's excuse ?

What about this terrain ?
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Same shitty stitched PCs which 9 para used to use in 2012-2016 btw.. there is another picture of pampore standoff where a 9 para operator is coming out of caspir where you can properly see the same shitty PCView attachment 6331
Looks like 31 RR CDO is getting decade old handover shit from units like 9 and 10. This is the condition of a unit under elite parachute regiment.. SF hai ya RR doesn't matter man. This gear is pathetic for fucking even light infantry in year 2024. American marines and French legions are better equipped than 9 para and on par with marcos, let alone joke units like these
Man he was hit in his last op due to this same attitude .
Two teams got into an engagement with a team of pigs , but had problem in pin pointing the other team's location to adjust their line of fire to prevent blue on blue .
To do this out of options they decided to flash their white light to relay their location to the other team thus exposing their own position and were targeted by UBGLs and the rest happened .
They had their monocular with them , had they had LAMs with them they would have been able to signal their location using their IR lasers and things might have ended different .

We lost one of our best men due to lack of these basic equipment/training .
 
Saw this post elsewhere and it's pretty spot on

"
Indian "defence" establishment is a socialistic welfare scheme to bribe masses and has very little to do with defence. Its basically a bunch of officies all trying to justify their existance. Any procurement or production or even war fighting is a distant after thought.

It works something like this.

  • Some Branch of Military wakes up and finds a certain capability missing or outdated.
  • Bureaucrats Drag their Feet
  • RFQ is written
  • Bureaucrats Drag their Feet
  • DRDO or HAL or Defence Board wakes up and tells every one they can make it in India
  • Bureaucrats Drag their Feet
  • Proposals are invited
  • Bureaucrats Drag their Feet
  • Forces push back on timeline for procurements
  • Bureaucrats Drag their Feet Scandal Happens
  • Bureaucrats Drag their Feet
  • DRDO/HAL promises moon and will be done by yesterday
  • Bureaucrats Drag their Feet
  • Few decades pass
  • Bureaucrats Drag their Feet
  • DRDO / HAL / Whatever is under Modi's Trunk fails to work or has so many issues that it works only when Indian Jyotish Shastra predicts it will work or requires constant Coconut breaking and Lemon cutting with a Caste Brahman chanting Mantras after half a century of development work.
  • Bureaucrats Drag their Feet
  • Conflict happens
  • Bureaucrats Drag their Feet
  • Indian military is found lacking due to some ancient equipment (yet again!)
  • Bureaucrats Drag their Feet
  • Orders to procure are hastily decided
  • Bureaucrats Drag their Feet
  • Someone in South Block says "But Mah ToT???"
  • Bureaucrats Drag their Feet
  • No orders placed and endless negotiation happens on ToT
  • Bureaucrats Drag their Feet
  • Finally DRDO / HAL / Modi's Dong says it needs foreign help to deliver
  • Bureaucrats Drag their Feet
  • Order is placed for 100000000x the original price and only comfort letters for ToT
  • Bureaucrats Drag their Feet
  • No ToT happens in reality or if it happens it is forgotten for 2-3 decades
  • Repeat and Rinse ed infinitum
"
Spot on boss, Spot on!
No matter how much you allow private industries to flourish, change will not come easy here
The beureaucrats and senior brass does not want any control away from their hands
Someone said it right, we are a country of mini Maos and mini Stalins
 
Ok so saw someone defending this by saying the gear is like this because of the terrain it's very "terrain specific" now I am a noob and I know jackshit about stuff so I won't comment but to the respected members @Jedi Operator @Airborne22 @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR @rkhanna @lexCommando @spadex @Alby @VictorDelta4 with years of experience and knowledge I do put forward the question what terrain or mission dosent allow them to replace

View attachment 6327

Whatever the fuck jugaad PC stitched together this is with a very light ergonomic laser cut molly PC preferably square cut and what terrain and mission profile dosent allow the soldiers to replace their pathkas with a decent ACH forget about HCBH especially the ones from MKU newer models which have been tested against AK rounds and have proved effective the one point people kept bringing up for why pathka is better that point has been dead for more than 2 years let's leave the rest of the gear comms and other shit let's just talk about these 2 things IK I am really a noob in this field and I know next to nothing so what could be the reason?
They are multiple reasons why this is happening -
This type of conflict they are inducted in isn't any high speed combat situation, it's mostly 6-7 terrorists they are hunting or killing, the "jaane de yar mein kyun apni salary kharchu foreign waale plate carrier pe" attitude kicks in.

All Cdo Groups (yes they are still staffed and structured like the good ole para commandos not SF that comprised of cdo groups instead of teams) are deployed around the clock in every region of J&K. No room for much improvement in standards.

Inducting new kit requires specific training to get familiar with it and to get the best out of it. Yeh toh woh karney se rahe

The clothes are the same that they were wearing in their barracks, the must've been told to get ready within 5 minutes.

The only modern thing 31 RR has is Drones, UGVs and Tavor Tar 21 with flattop (supressor, mor, Gx3 and mepro mini hunter included)

Lastly "Beggars have no choice". There are infsntry units with better kits than 31RR which has a rich CI-CT experience ever since it was raised by Maj Sapru and Col Mann in J&K but this unit doesn't seem to have even the kit inducted in 2010s ! (Non-glossy bolted ACH, PVS 14/Tata monocular, LBV etc.)

Same goes for the mavericks units deployed in J&K for CI-CT, the only better thing they have is clothing and helmets.

Look at 9 para, Marcos and other units that have kept on improving and experimenting.
These people if put on LOC will ask for Gucci gear.

Since no one from their family is fighting they think its a waste.

Plus some people carry looser attitude like this guy.

I always ask for better gear coz of only one reason that we should save every life we can.
SPOT ON ! LoC tenures ne badi badi units ko sudhara hai cause that's where they saw proper combat.
 
He has no idea about what he is talking.

Tactics has evolved with help of technology.

On top of that he has fake followers with less engagement than his folowers..Total looser attitude in life..couldnt clear MBBS and justifies that by saying "oh it was hardwork".

Our casualties would have been less had we had some decent equipment.
Sarcastically to Para SF
- Tum Pekiti Tersia Kali karlo pehle......keep training to fight with sticks and knives
- Dont practice enough CQB, long range shooting and actuall stuff

Yaar Major Sapru ne bhi toh kaha tha the quality of officers is decreasing, people come to SF battalion for instagramable shit and want to then go back
Major Sushant said the same thing that CI/CT ops mei marna koi achi baat nehi hai
Lt Gen PC Katoch mentioned it several times, wrote two bloody books discussing SF in India

Ye log kya sab fudu hain ? Ye log bhi keyboard warriors hain ?
What the fuck is wrong over here ? Do people just watch their podcasts to discover Yeti and leopards ? Do they not listen to the actual stuff they have to say ?
 
Next time someone does RR abt Yeh terrain specific hai ji etc etc. Show them these two pics -
31RR from Kokernag and 9 para from basantgarh. The terrain is similiar and op length of Basantgarh was longer. The uncertainity of enemy positions was same. IMG_20240813_103643_221.webp

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Whatever is the Terrain it does not change the fact that these user tailor stitched PCs are not NIR compliant . It doesn't change the fact that this material will glow under IR . It might not matter much when fighting terrorists but what will happen when we have to against Chinese or even paki SF .
Terrain doesn't change the fact that reloading from your battle belt will be faster than reloading from their LBVs and it will be the deciding between life and death when ambushed .
In mountain terrain, distance of engagements might go above 200m , it that case how will they engage them with these Tavors with antique ITL Mars , you need powered optics that they don't have .
Mountain terrain does not mean gunfight will become pleasant , men will still get hearing damage and suffer from tinnitus if they are not given ear protection .

But who are we to comment
Yepp send this dude pics of shivendra sir he operated in the "same terrain" send him pics of 9 in recent encounter why can't the leadership take this seriously the chalta he attitude has lost us people good people and we couldn't advocate for them to have better gear and that mf really said para has great inventory lmao
These people if put on LOC will ask for Gucci gear.

Since no one from their family is fighting they think its a waste.

Plus some people carry looser attitude like this guy.

I always ask for better gear coz of only one reason that we should save every life we can.
Should always be asking for better gear for our boys.
 
Same shitty stitched PCs which 9 para used to use in 2012-2016 btw.. there is another picture of pampore standoff where a 9 para operator is coming out of caspir where you can properly see the same shitty PCView attachment 6331
Looks like 31 RR CDO is getting decade old handover shit from units like 9 and 10. This is the condition of a unit under elite parachute regiment.. SF hai ya RR doesn't matter man. This gear is pathetic for fucking even light infantry in year 2024. American marines and French legions are better equipped than 9 para and on par with marcos, let alone joke units like these
Since this has been said. Split rigs are a good piece of personal kit if worn properly just like goswami shab(god bless his soul) is wearing in this pic. Armasen is also developing and getting their new split rigs tested by SF, fingers crossed
 
Man he was hit in his last op due to this same attitude .
Two teams got into an engagement with a team of pigs , but had problem in pin pointing the other team's location to adjust their line of fire to prevent blue on blue .
To do this out of options they decided to flash their white light to relay their location to the other team thus exposing their own position and were targeted by UBGLs and the rest happened .
They had their monocular with them , had they had LAMs with them they would have been able to signal their location using their IR lasers and things might have ended different .

We lost one of our best men due to lack of these basic equipment/training .
One of the finest operator from recent times killed just because they didn't had any equipment to check if their line of sight was not crossing their comrades.. talk about a reason to die
 
Since this has been said. Split rigs are a good piece of personal kit if worn properly just like goswami shab(god bless his soul) is wearing in this pic. Armasen is also developing and getting their new split rigs tested by SF, fingers crossed
Brother split rigs are good for recce setups and high altitude intel based ops where mobility is prioritized and enemy is not expecting you, but in hardcore encounters, proper chest rigs like the ones 9 was wearing in udhampur is the way to go imo
 
Man he was hit in his last op due to this same attitude .
Two teams got into an engagement with a team of pigs , but had problem in pin pointing the other team's location to adjust their line of fire to prevent blue on blue .
To do this out of options they decided to flash their white light to relay their location to the other team thus exposing their own position and were targeted by UBGLs and the rest happened .
They had their monocular with them , had they had LAMs with them they would have been able to signal their location using their IR lasers and things might have ended different .

We lost one of our best men due to lack of these basic equipment/training .
that was not his last op but koina
 

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