Indian Special Forces

[125mm_Smoothbore]

is this type of restructuring possible in Indian navy ?? i think if navy opts for it first army will fall in soon.
Modernisation of MARCOS i think was a big factor in recent PARA sf modernisation drive.

navy plans things very well imo from a to z they have good loadout on the ships the mordernisation is going goo marcos rocks right left and center the stuck deals might flow (p-75i) ,strategic submarines are getting rolled out at a good pace

 

[Binayak95]

Again sorry for my language, but the main culprit of all this imo is this asshole Lt Gen Vinod Bhatiya
- proudly says that three new SF battalions were raised when he was the Col of the Parachute Regiment
- allways maintained his stance on the fact that SF should be expanded
- was the guy who sabootaged the idea of a seperate SF Reg time and again
- was the guy who put false charges against Col Hunny Bakshi and his TSD unit

He needs to be told that the Op Cactus in Maldives was not a special operation on the army's side, it was a classic mission that the Paras were to do.


PS - (I'd suggest @Binayak95 that our 'Army of North Virginia/Black Squadron/G Squadron/14 Int' was the TSD and it should again start on, it should be under AFSOD and try having guys tri-servicely.)

Yeap. TSD was our ISA. Nowadays Idk how's it being handled. NTRO?

 

[125mm_Smoothbore]

View: https://x.com/ghatakoperator/status/1811753825646043259

 

[RDXChauhan]

Reorganization of Army Special Forces and making them small and effective

Special Forces Regiment

• 9 battalion
• 10 battalion
• 1 battalion
• 21 battalion

National Guard Special Forces (Similar to US Army’s National Guard Green Beret units who will operate within US Soil if need be)

• 4 Para SF – Kashmir (CI/CT ops)
• 11 Para SF – North East (CI/CT ops)

Special Forces Operations Enablers

• 2 Para SF – similar to US Army Asymmetric Warfare Group https://www.americanspecialops.com/asymmetric-warfare-group/
• 12 Para SF – similar to US Army Special Reaction Team https://www.americanspecialops.com/special-reaction-team/

Parachute Regiment

• 5th Para Battalion
• 6th Para battalion
• 7th Para battalion
• 23rd Para battalion
• 29 Para battalion

Marine Corps Unit

13 Para SF be converted to something like Marine Recon battalion, since diving is not a compulsory training for Marine Recons and in Para SF also very few are trained divers, we have already seen 13 Para in countless exercises in Andaman so they could be similar to Marine Recons who slither, by boat or parajump on a beach and give landing pre-requisites to regular amphibious units while MARCOS will do it’s own job of beach recce and combat swimmer capabilities, over the beach assaults etc.

Additional Recommendations

• Create a unit like SFSG of the UK, where people from Parachute regiment could go on deputation for 2-3 years. Since the deputation program has worked in SFF, SG and NSG so it can work for SFSG too, thus people from Parachute regiment who want to be SF and don’t want to volunteer for SF Regiment away from their own battalion will be sent to SFSG then come back, the same way it happens in UK
• Probations can be in battalions, however after that, all four battalions of SF Regiment will go to SFTS, Bakloh to do 6 months of additional training, similar to US SEAL’s SQT
  
  
  What say @Arad Operator @Noob @Binayak95 @DumbPilot @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR ??

Couldn't agree more

 

[RDXChauhan]

CIJWS Best Student Trophy awarded to Maj Sudhir Walia 9SF

 

[Jedi Operator]

Yeap. TSD was our ISA. Nowadays Idk how's it being handled. NTRO?

Not NTRO, there was nothing Technical about TSD, it was HUMINT and black ops unit. NTRO is a SIGINT/ELINT/TECHINT unit similar to US's NSA. We as Indian might like to think that TSD's role is played by the 'Unknown gunmen' but na we have no such capability now. The 'Unknown gunmen' were known to be blue on blue

Also let's see this:
In mid-80s, we had CIT-J & CIT-X doing these sorts of works
That got closed
We had TSD in the aftermath of 26/11
That got closed
We have no idea what agencies work in this domain now, probably we'll only know about their name if and when they get disbanded also. So I wish we never do

(Also, technically the TSD is still there, there's no one to man it or take care of it. On paper it's there (ironic cause on paper the unit did not even exist) but you know what I mean....all this was said by Col Hunny Bakshi himself.

 

[samsaptaka]

View: https://x.com/TacticalKafir/status/1811728562648441267?t=pvtNe8GgQkEO9pr0q7ze1A&s=19

View attachment 2600

Aatankvadi ke pille…..

 

[RDXChauhan]

View: https://x.com/KalashnikovOpe1/status/1811666863912333559?t=M_Qv1WBTYAAlOQKPvoHvDw&s=19

 

[Kilomike2]

PARA SF somewhere in the valley.
He's 6"4

 

[Binayak95]

Not NTRO, there was nothing Technical about TSD, it was HUMINT and black ops unit. NTRO is a SIGINT/ELINT/TECHINT unit similar to US's NSA. We as Indian might like to think that TSD's role is played by the 'Unknown gunmen' but na we have no such capability now. The 'Unknown gunmen' were known to be blue on blue

Also let's see this:
In mid-80s, we had CIT-J & CIT-X doing these sorts of works
That got closed
We had TSD in the aftermath of 26/11
That got closed
We have no idea what agencies work in this domain now, probably we'll only know about their name if and when they get disbanded also. So I wish we never do

(Also, technically the TSD is still there, there's no one to man it or take care of it. On paper it's there (ironic cause on paper the unit did not even exist) but you know what I mean....all this was said by Col Hunny Bakshi himself.

Blue on blue nahi. Mercenary on blue. Though I've heard a few really high profile knock outs were indeed 'us'

 

[Jedi Operator]

Blue on blue nahi. Mercenary on blue. Though I've heard a few really high profile knock outs were indeed 'us'

vesse blue on blue unke liye hoga hum toh red on red bol sakte hai lmao

 

[Airborne22]

PARA SF somewhere in the valley.
He's 6"4View attachment 2620

Many times people report these guys are terrorists. There has been a surge in such reports in recent times after a slightly dormant period.

 

[Screambowl]

Many times people report these guys are terrorists. There has been a surge in such reports in recent times after a slightly dormant period.

Could be CAD as well, in coordination wit JI-N

 

[Airborne22]

Again sorry for my language, but the main culprit of all this imo is this asshole Lt Gen Vinod Bhatiya
- proudly says that three new SF battalions were raised when he was the Col of the Parachute Regiment
- allways maintained his stance on the fact that SF should be expanded
- was the guy who sabootaged the idea of a seperate SF Reg time and again
- was the guy who put false charges against Col Hunny Bakshi and his TSD unit

He needs to be told that the Op Cactus in Maldives was not a special operation on the army's side, it was a classic mission that the Paras were to do.


PS - (I'd suggest @Binayak95 that our 'Army of North Virginia/Black Squadron/G Squadron/14 Int' was the TSD and it should again start on, it should be under AFSOD and try having guys tri-servicely.)

Not just him, there was one brig deepak of some para regular unit (I don't remember the name exactly), he was made the officer in charge of a modernization plan which he totally fucked up in the favour of equalizing regular para and para sf units. His argument for increasing number of SF battalions was that US has an army sof command and he somehow managed to push the fact that 82nd/101st Airborne and paratroopers are a part of it. I'll try finding those proceedings on my old drives.

 

[Arad Operator]

Not just him, there was one brig deepak of some para regular unit (I don't remember the name exactly), he was made the officer in charge of a modernization plan which he totally fucked up in the favour of equalizing regular para and para sf units. His argument for increasing number of SF battalions was that US has an army sof command and he somehow managed to push the fact that 82nd/101st Airborne and paratroopers are a part of it. I'll try finding those proceedings on my old drives.

I would differ, the conversion of exAirborne units was necessary as massive paradropping missions were a thing of the past! IDK think we would be able to paradrop hundreds of troops during the future conflicts especially in China or TOR(explains conversion of V units).
But I also want to clear that the current structure of Army SF is very poor according to me, the OG units with new raisings should have been transferred to a New SF(R) like the SFOD-D, while the OG Airborne units should've been retained under the PARA Regt as PARA SF(Airborne) units similar to SFG of the US Army...

Thanks

 

[Airborne22]

Not just him, there was one brig deepak of some para regular unit (I don't remember the name exactly), he was made the officer in charge of a modernization plan which he totally fucked up in the favour of equalizing regular para and para sf units. His argument for increasing number of SF battalions was that US has an army sof command and he somehow managed to push the fact that 82nd/101st Airborne and paratroopers are a part of it. I'll try finding those proceedings on my old drives.

https://cenjows.in/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Layout-Inside_Synergy.pdf

Check out the 4th topic. These people were hell bent to equalize para and para sf ! @Jedi Operator

 

[Airborne22]

I would differ, the conversion of exAirborne units was necessary as massive paradropping missions were a thing of the past! IDK think we would be able to paradrop hundreds of troops during the future conflicts especially in China or TOR(explains conversion of V units).
But I also want to clear that the current structure of Army SF is very poor according to me, the OG units with new raisings should have been transferred to a New SF(R) like the SFOD-D, while the OG Airborne units should've been retained under the PARA Regt as PARA SF(Airborne) units similar to SFG of the US Army...

Thanks

What about the War Establishment, Charter and Operational Deployments of your proposed SF(AB) units ? Will it be similiar to SFGs ? Because the SFGs were raised to have a certain mission set, the one our SF follows right now would be closer to their 75th Ranger Regiment, while our W/E is similiar to their 1st SFOD-D. The US Army still has paratroopers, Russia still boasts VDV, China too boasts a Paratroopers unit. I might've misunderstood your Idea here (apologies for that) but it sounds exactly like Paki SSG type of thing.

 

[Jedi Operator]

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[Waanar]

So you want them to expose themselves without knowing from where the fire is coming and retaliate indiscriminately just on trees and stones?

No argument can deny that you need air cover.




Thank fully the terrorist haven't brought suicide drones along themselves but they will surely improvise before you do due to your lethargic mind set.

phir se yahan rudali naach karna jab kuch ho jayega.

Geniuses won't read previous posts and start braying like they're making some new, innovative 200 IQ plan.

Is there some sort of a threat to preemptively and randomly launch (of course planned) combing operations in the hinterlands?

We have such a huge manpower. Why aren't there constant dismounted patrols in those regions?
Is the intel grid so weak that there's literally zero hint of the terrorists being in a rough 100 Kilometers radius?

There's so many things that are failing here, its hard to count it all.
Its not just infantry or SF or all that sexy stuff. Its local police, its intel and its processing.

If we have to be absolute cheapskates, start running a DJI drone down the road the convoy is going down. Its not going to spot a well hidden piece of shit but it will at least mitigate that risk to some extent.
10000 Rs per jeep of men isn't that expensive, man.
Come on.

We live in an era where rudimentary forms of ISR cost less than a damn bicycle.

I know you're flustered with the death of soldiers but at least, like, idk, actually READ what people are writing before trying to dump your frustrations on the interwebs?

In case your brain still ain't processing what I'm saying, I'm advocating for both drones AND bulletproof vehicles.

Crazy idea, I know. How can someone even think of giving soldiers the maximum amount of survivability possible?

Why are some people like this...

 

[KumaoniReborn]

that's so fake , 5100 bullets would be quite a few minutes ( keeping in mind the quality of weapons we have). And they still were'nt able to wound even one tango. that's BS, who even writes such stuff.

Ofc. An armchair general like yourself knows how to fire guns.