Indian Special Forces

[lexCommando]

6 para airborne (now SF :/)

 

[Noob]

Reorganization of Army Special Forces and making them small and effective

Special Forces Regiment

• 9 battalion
• 10 battalion
• 1 battalion
• 21 battalion

National Guard Special Forces (Similar to US Army’s National Guard Green Beret units who will operate within US Soil if need be)

• 4 Para SF – Kashmir (CI/CT ops)
• 11 Para SF – North East (CI/CT ops)

Special Forces Operations Enablers

• 2 Para SF – similar to US Army Asymmetric Warfare Group https://www.americanspecialops.com/asymmetric-warfare-group/
• 12 Para SF – similar to US Army Special Reaction Team https://www.americanspecialops.com/special-reaction-team/

Parachute Regiment

• 5th Para Battalion
• 6th Para battalion
• 7th Para battalion
• 23rd Para battalion
• 29 Para battalion

Marine Corps Unit

13 Para SF be converted to something like Marine Recon battalion, since diving is not a compulsory training for Marine Recons and in Para SF also very few are trained divers, we have already seen 13 Para in countless exercises in Andaman so they could be similar to Marine Recons who slither, by boat or parajump on a beach and give landing pre-requisites to regular amphibious units while MARCOS will do it’s own job of beach recce and combat swimmer capabilities, over the beach assaults etc.

Additional Recommendations

• Create a unit like SFSG of the UK, where people from Parachute regiment could go on deputation for 2-3 years. Since the deputation program has worked in SFF, SG and NSG so it can work for SFSG too, thus people from Parachute regiment who want to be SF and don’t want to volunteer for SF Regiment away from their own battalion will be sent to SFSG then come back, the same way it happens in UK
• Probations can be in battalions, however after that, all four battalions of SF Regiment will go to SFTS, Bakloh to do 6 months of additional training, similar to US SEAL’s SQT
  
  
  What say @Arad Operator @Noob @Binayak95 @DumbPilot @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR ??

I very much like your idea

 

[Jedi Operator]

Wheres our army of Northern Virginia/ISA? (tongue in cheek argument)


Isnt the SG already SFSG alike? Why create a redundancy?
I like the specialisation that our SFs undertake - as per their AO - but I'll admit it introduces an element of inflexibility and costs at the army level - so perhaps more generic SF units are required but i feel overwhelmingly underqualified to even opine on that subject.

wait is SG like a Special Forces Support Group (SFSG ?) in role and function ??
I used to belive they are our TFO, Army of Northern Virginia/ISA
and the SCTU is like Delta

 

[Airborne22]

wait is SG like a Special Forces Support Group (SFSG ?) in role and function ??
I used to belive they are our TFO, Army of Northern Virginia/ISA
and the SCTU is like Delta

You are right here. However I guess SCTU doesn't exist no more, atleast on paper. Those duties have been largely transferred to NSG for domestic HR/CT and some other unit for foreign HR/Hot Extraction or CT etc. Their current focus is on Intelligence and Deep surveillance in denied territories. (Take this information with a bucket of salt)

 

[Screambowl]

We can discuss about deterrents all day, Kal ko they'll bring in Anti-UAS measures, what will we do then ? bring in heavy armoured vehicles? they'll bring in high yielding IEDs to stop these behemoths and then engage the troops at close range with their current tactics i.e usage of armour piercing bullets. IF you're wondering how they'll bring it in, don't worry, they already have a lot of this stuff at their disposal. It's just a matter of time they'll start implementation of this stuff.

These elites won't do brainstorming before hand, but only after crisis happens. This is the reason why Indian special forces are suffering casualties. This is my point. We just saw here on this forum. I have hurt some one's ego .

Some one said here that 5-6 years ago there was a brain storming on how to deploy drones or quad copters as it had endurance issues. Arre yaar 5-6 saal pehle to iphone 15 bhi nahi tha, who is stopping them to develop such a system to detect fire and immediately retaliate, or get one.

There is AI, there are highly advance sensor there are new power electronic systems. Now quad copters even fly for 45 minutes to 1 hour. These first 15-20 minutes are crucial to detect fire.

Or just have 2-3 fixed wing drone system flying 24x7 over J&K.

 

[Airborne22]

These elites won't do brainstorming before hand, but only after crisis happens. This is the reason why Indian special forces are suffering casualties. This is my point. We just saw here on this forum. I have hurt some one's ego .

Some one said here that 5-6 years ago there was a brain storming on how to deploy drones or quad copters as it had endurance issues. Arre yaar 5-6 saal pehle to iphone 15 bhi nahi tha, who is stopping them to develop such a system to detect fire and immediately retaliate, or get one.

There is AI, there are highly advance sensor there are new power electronic systems. Now quad copters even fly for 45 minutes to 1 hour. These first 15-20 minutes are crucial to detect fire.

Or just have 2-3 fixed wing drone system flying 24x7 over J&K.

The convoy wasn't SF, SF doesn't move like that. SF Casualities that happened last year had different reasons and the area and geography was very different from this one. Go through the open source information of what happened during this convoy ambush, get educated on the main issue and give solutions AND MOST IMPORTANTLY GET THIS SHIT OUT OF THE SF THREAD FOR FUCKS SAKE MAN.

 

[Airborne22]

SF or other , now are you happy. I quoted both. The route was not sanitized before hand as usual, MI network failed to recognize the threat, no drone in the vicinity for air support, etc etc.

any ways, adios.

READ THE NAME OF THE THREAD DAWG IT SAYS INDIAN SPECIAL FORCES. PLEASE POST TO THE RELEVANT THREAD FOR EVERYONE'S CONVENIENCE. YOU'LL GET RELEVANT REPLIES OVER THERE.

 

[Tier 1 Patriot]

View: https://youtu.be/QnFismsFTpQ?si=HijdemklNtizOyUz

 

[Airborne22]

View: https://youtu.be/QnFismsFTpQ?si=HijdemklNtizOyUz

So many crazy untold stories from NE. Do we have more SF stories from current situation in Manipur ?

 

[Arad Operator]

Reorganization of Army Special Forces and making them small and effective

Special Forces Regiment

• 9 battalion
• 10 battalion
• 1 battalion
• 21 battalion

National Guard Special Forces (Similar to US Army’s National Guard Green Beret units who will operate within US Soil if need be)

• 4 Para SF – Kashmir (CI/CT ops)
• 11 Para SF – North East (CI/CT ops)

Special Forces Operations Enablers

• 2 Para SF – similar to US Army Asymmetric Warfare Group https://www.americanspecialops.com/asymmetric-warfare-group/
• 12 Para SF – similar to US Army Special Reaction Team https://www.americanspecialops.com/special-reaction-team/

Parachute Regiment

• 5th Para Battalion
• 6th Para battalion
• 7th Para battalion
• 23rd Para battalion
• 29 Para battalion

Marine Corps Unit

13 Para SF be converted to something like Marine Recon battalion, since diving is not a compulsory training for Marine Recons and in Para SF also very few are trained divers, we have already seen 13 Para in countless exercises in Andaman so they could be similar to Marine Recons who slither, by boat or parajump on a beach and give landing pre-requisites to regular amphibious units while MARCOS will do it’s own job of beach recce and combat swimmer capabilities, over the beach assaults etc.

Additional Recommendations

• Create a unit like SFSG of the UK, where people from Parachute regiment could go on deputation for 2-3 years. Since the deputation program has worked in SFF, SG and NSG so it can work for SFSG too, thus people from Parachute regiment who want to be SF and don’t want to volunteer for SF Regiment away from their own battalion will be sent to SFSG then come back, the same way it happens in UK
• Probations can be in battalions, however after that, all four battalions of SF Regiment will go to SFTS, Bakloh to do 6 months of additional training, similar to US SEAL’s SQT
  
  
  What say @Arad Operator @Noob @Binayak95 @DumbPilot @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR ??

Opinion by @Arad Operator on the SF Re-Structuring & Downsizing!

https://www.vayuaerospace.in/article/1016/abhinav-negi-says-india-s-sf-needs-an-urgent-re-organisation-and-downsizing

 

[Jedi Operator]

You are right here. However I guess SCTU doesn't exist no more, atleast on paper. Those duties have been largely transferred to NSG for domestic HR/CT and some other unit for foreign HR/Hot Extraction or CT etc. Their current focus is on Intelligence and Deep surveillance in denied territories. (Take this information with a bucket of salt)

I've heard AFSOD was created for foreign HR/CT like JSOC is responsible for, but being a division I really wonder what real strength and capability they have. Garuds' role would purely be supportive, like having CCT, JTAC roles and stuff

 

[Jedi Operator]

Opinion by @Arad Operator on the SF Re-Structuring & Downsizing!

https://www.vayuaerospace.in/article/1016/abhinav-negi-says-india-s-sf-needs-an-urgent-re-organisation-and-downsizing

Nicely written, I still hold the disagreement made earlier on discord about MCF's numbers. However that being none of our concern, we shall push aside. One more thing is, I'd like to bring something from Lt Gen PC Katoch's article over here.

This is what according to him, the Airborne officers did in order to stop the creation of a Special Forces Regiment and thereby preventing the downsiezing of SF

 

[Jedi Operator]

Additonaly he writes....

"Concurrently, successive colonels of the Parachute Regiment started pushing for converting the entire regiment to special forces. During the year 2001, a major study for “Modernisation of Special Forces” was undertaken by the army, which resulted in restructuring of PARA (SF) battalions as tailor-made theatre specific units, and a fourth assault team was added to each unit. Probation period in PARA(SF) units was enhanced to six months in keeping with operational requirements." (This we see in Major Jacob's case for the first time like he said)

"Modernisation and equipping of the then five PARA (SF) battalions was approved at a cost of approximately Rs 400 crore and raising of an Army Aviation Special Operations Squadron was approved. Very significantly, a conscious decision was taken for no further expansion of special forces till the end of the 10th Plan, after which a review was to be undertaken."

Now these plans were all good, however things were completly reveresed later on

 

[Jedi Operator]

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianDefense/comments/wtvfao/been_seeing_how_these_airborne_battalions_have/

 

[Jedi Operator]

Again sorry for my language, but the main culprit of all this imo is this asshole Lt Gen Vinod Bhatiya
- proudly says that three new SF battalions were raised when he was the Col of the Parachute Regiment
- allways maintained his stance on the fact that SF should be expanded
- was the guy who sabootaged the idea of a seperate SF Reg time and again
- was the guy who put false charges against Col Hunny Bakshi and his TSD unit

He needs to be told that the Op Cactus in Maldives was not a special operation on the army's side, it was a classic mission that the Paras were to do.


PS - (I'd suggest @Binayak95 that our 'Army of North Virginia/Black Squadron/G Squadron/14 Int' was the TSD and it should again start on, it should be under AFSOD and try having guys tri-servicely.)

 

[125mm_Smoothbore]

Again sorry for my language, but the main culprit of all this imo is this asshole Lt Gen Vinod Bhatiya
- proudly says that three new SF battalions were raised when he was the Col of the Parachute Regiment
- allways maintained his stance on the fact that SF should be expanded
- was the guy who sabootaged the idea of a seperate SF Reg time and again
- was the guy who put false charges against Col Hunny Bakshi and his TSD unit

He needs to be told that the Op Cactus in Maldives was not a special operation on the army's side, it was a classic mission that the Paras were to do.


PS - (I'd suggest @Binayak95 that our 'Army of North Virginia/Black Squadron/G Squadron/14 Int' was the TSD and it should again start on, it should be under AFSOD and try having guys tri-servicely.)

fully agreed no cap

 

[125mm_Smoothbore]

View: https://x.com/KalashnikovOpe1/status/1811666863912333559/photo/1

 

[Screambowl]

PS - (I'd suggest @Binayak95 that our 'Army of North Virginia/Black Squadron/G Squadron/14 Int' was the TSD and it should again start on, it should be under AFSOD and try having guys tri-servicely.

Absolutely not. India has other agencies to look after for what TSD was doing, do not want clash of of objectives.

 

[hkdas]

View: https://x.com/TacticalKafir/status/1811728562648441267?t=pvtNe8GgQkEO9pr0q7ze1A&s=19

 

[Yuyutsu]

Reorganization of Army Special Forces and making them small and effective

Special Forces Regiment

• 9 battalion
• 10 battalion
• 1 battalion
• 21 battalion

National Guard Special Forces (Similar to US Army’s National Guard Green Beret units who will operate within US Soil if need be)

• 4 Para SF – Kashmir (CI/CT ops)
• 11 Para SF – North East (CI/CT ops)

Special Forces Operations Enablers

• 2 Para SF – similar to US Army Asymmetric Warfare Group https://www.americanspecialops.com/asymmetric-warfare-group/
• 12 Para SF – similar to US Army Special Reaction Team https://www.americanspecialops.com/special-reaction-team/

Parachute Regiment

• 5th Para Battalion
• 6th Para battalion
• 7th Para battalion
• 23rd Para battalion
• 29 Para battalion

Marine Corps Unit

13 Para SF be converted to something like Marine Recon battalion, since diving is not a compulsory training for Marine Recons and in Para SF also very few are trained divers, we have already seen 13 Para in countless exercises in Andaman so they could be similar to Marine Recons who slither, by boat or parajump on a beach and give landing pre-requisites to regular amphibious units while MARCOS will do it’s own job of beach recce and combat swimmer capabilities, over the beach assaults etc.

Additional Recommendations

• Create a unit like SFSG of the UK, where people from Parachute regiment could go on deputation for 2-3 years. Since the deputation program has worked in SFF, SG and NSG so it can work for SFSG too, thus people from Parachute regiment who want to be SF and don’t want to volunteer for SF Regiment away from their own battalion will be sent to SFSG then come back, the same way it happens in UK
• Probations can be in battalions, however after that, all four battalions of SF Regiment will go to SFTS, Bakloh to do 6 months of additional training, similar to US SEAL’s SQT
  
  
  What say @Arad Operator @Noob @Binayak95 @DumbPilot @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR ??

is this type of restructuring possible in Indian navy ?? i think if navy opts for it first army will fall in soon.
Modernisation of MARCOS i think was a big factor in recent PARA sf modernisation drive.