Indian Special Forces

[Mr.Evil]

I know, KIA is what should be used...forces refrain from using words like matyr etc
But your own MOD uses it...journalists use it...Matyr and slaughter are not used in official millitary slangs even. It's just that

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I mean you said it by yourself they use it doesn’t mean it is correct or “pathar ki lakeer” is it?
The correct terminology is KIA.
And slaughtered is and should not be used for troops who are giving their everything.

 

[IWIarad11]

Answers:-

First of all this if 'my' idle loadout for CI-CT Ops as asked by @COLHEARTEDAVIATOR...

1. Which from 'Team Wendy'? Specify like I did plus revision is now established in India, SPG might get the same Viper P3 or P4s...
2. First of all the tailor made PC of MARCOs I'm talking about has both the plates so "WhY nOt aT Sf RiG wItH bAcK pLaTe rEmOvEd" doesn't make sense, secondly I suggested this as its cost effective and whole forces can be equipped with it... Do check the price of AT SF/ST RIG, then talk.
3. Yes Magnifiers are their and more coming.
4. Cuz NG7s are newly inducted and use the same ammo as Sig-716i.
5. They have Sig-716i and the associated accessories...

Well I also missed IFAC and emergency rations, easy to point out these things.

Arree I was trying understand your preferences, not of the entire force since the question was about your preffered loadout.

 

[username unkown]

Why to be offended by words like slaughter?

Killed/Matyred/shaheed or veergati also means the same only.

Last couple of years have been very bad for Para SF where they were pinned down 1 time in Rajouri and second time where PAFF made a video of entire Para SF squad which was lying dead and praised their bravery.

Third time they got pinned down was in 2018 famous op.

Apart from this in the last few years in Jammu region many times when launching a counter attack most if not all times the terrorists managed to escape.

Except the basantar op when was the last time Para killed so many? If my memory serves me right in Jammu region the last must have been the truck ambush.

So dont get offended here we all are same team.Its just that one team thinks we are best and other team thinks we should be best.

No one here is a enemy.

So now we are normalising this word for our soldier
And then people say pakistani are good at info warfare well duh off course they are
I am not going to repeat same thing again regarding recent ops

 

[Tactical Doge]

Ohk good! The best part is how much all the fanboiz cry for AT SF/ST RIG or CRYE PC in Kashmir, its rarely used... AT or CRYE PCs are used for VBSS, Patrolling and Photo Ops only, CI-CT is just a different thing.

It's rarely used is justification for using unit stitched PCs?
How is CI/CT a different thing that mandates use of subpar jugaad ? Over shiiet that is thought over and designed to do what it is expected to do?
Given a choice Marcos dumped the jugaad and adopted decent PCs spectrum wide.

 

[Jedi Operator]

Yaar no one is normalizing this word. I understand your perspective that it can be seen as insensitive in most scenarios. But for god's sake try to understand that unofficially speaking, "slaughtered by enemy" provides a more honest depiction of the brutal realities of this conflict, it might provoke a stronger reaction to the circumstances leading to the soldiers’ deaths.

I am not in favour or against the use of this word but I am saying, just like what I feel @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR is, to stop taking it so personally. No one is mocking our guys who've been KIAs, it's just the ground reality that someone's been killed. And it's used in a context that we are not supportive of the killings and that the senior leadership needs to take things seriously.

 

[Jedi Operator]

Ohk good! The best part is how much all the fanboiz cry for AT SF/ST RIG or CRYE PC in Kashmir, its rarely used... AT or CRYE PCs are used for VBSS, Patrolling and Photo Ops only, CI-CT is just a different thing.

How different ? Room intervention bhi hota hai CI/CT mei toh...CI/CT is just an environment, you need good comms and train your men on good gear if you want to fight in such an environment. This was stressed enough during IPKF's blunder, I dont understand why you think we want them to be seen fully kitted like in RIMPAC, they can be wearing good decent gear and still feel light. Why does this inferiorty complex comes by everytime cause you are defending the bad quality of gear time and again my boy

 

[IWIarad11]

Why to be offended by words like slaughter?

Killed/Matyred/shaheed or veergati also means the same only.

Last couple of years have been very bad for Para SF where they were pinned down 1 time in Rajouri and second time where PAFF made a video of entire Para SF squad which was lying dead and praised their bravery.

Third time they got pinned down was in 2018 famous op.

Apart from this in the last few years in Jammu region many times when launching a counter attack most if not all times the terrorists managed to escape.

Except the basantar op when was the last time Para killed so many? If my memory serves me right in Jammu region the last must have been the truck ambush.

So dont get offended here we all are same team.Its just that one team thinks we are best and other team thinks we should be best.

No one here is a enemy.

Which 2018 op?

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

slaughter
past tense: slaughtered; past participle: slaughtered
1.to kill an animal, usually for food
2.to kill a large number of people at one time, especially in a cruel way
The word you are using is not correct in this situation

I didnt use it.

Secondly, everyone talks casually here including using the word F.

How many of us use veergati or matyred here?

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

So now we are normalising this word for our soldier
And then people say pakistani are good at info warfare well duh off course they are
I am not going to repeat same thing again regarding recent ops

We all respect our soldiers bro but every time you cant be calculative.Sometimes during hot exchanges here people use many different words but no one disrespects them.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Which 2018 op?

Sorry my bad ..it was 2020

Op randori behak.

 

[Mr.Evil]

I didnt use it.

Secondly, everyone talks casually here including using the word F.

How many of us use veergati or matyred here?

Idk use martyred ever I use veergati which means -वीरगति-युद्ध भूमि में प्राण देना।

 

[IWIarad11]

I think everyone here loves our SF. We are the same folks who keep ranting about sadakchaap PCs and rejoice when 1/9 Para gets kills/takes revenge.

2023 was indeed a dark year for 9 - I still can't digest the fact that an entire squad was wiped off by few trts. 9 of all units. Imagine your tip of the tip of the spear lying on the ground with bursts in their face and skulls and a bunch of borderpaar porkijabis dancing around videotaping them and stealing their rifles. Capt Shubham Gupta wala toh manliya evac karne ke chakkar meh chalo, but this?

I remember not being able to sleep for a whole night after seeing their pics.

But I still feel there is some amount of fear these pigs have for para. Had it not been there, tavor ke saath ek do ka sar bhi katke le jate. That would have been called 'slaughtered.'

Every country's specops have seen dark days - its war after all, someday you ambush, someday you get ambushed.

But what is not acceptable is your unwillingness to modernise by giving flimsy reasons. Karte raho Pika leke firefight, kisi din barrel fatt jayga fir samajna.

Also its 2024, saying I either have a N-Seas monocular fitted onto my rifle or mounting a monotube/worse adjoining 2 monotubes is pathetic. 2004 meh use karti thi US woh sab. 25 binods honge aur wahi kuch 10 quads. HQ meh pare rehenge, Vajra Prahar ke time nikalnaa photoops ke liye.

Maybe they once trained with and beat SAS, but now they are just a Tier-2 force. For no fault pf their own though but govt, their seniors' lacklustre attitude and more.

 

[IWIarad11]

Sorry my bad ..it was 2020

Op randori behak.

That was still better bhai. At least they killed all the trts. And what happened their was a natural calamity - the ice cornice breaking away - sure, they must have been more careful but thik h.

Worst are the ones when they hit you and get away.

 

[username unkown]

I think everyone here loves our SF. We are the same folks who keep ranting about sadakchaap PCs and rejoice when 1/9 Para gets kills/takes revenge.

2023 was indeed a dark year for 9 - I still can't digest the fact that an entire squad was wiped off by few trts. 9 of all units. Imagine your tip of the tip of the spear lying on the ground with bursts in their face and skulls and a bunch of borderpaar porkijabis dancing around videotaping them and stealing their rifles. Capt Shubham Gupta wala toh manliya evac karne ke chakkar meh chalo, but this?

I remember not being able to sleep for a whole night after seeing their pics.

But I still feel there is some amount of fear these pigs have for para. Had it not been there, tavor ke saath ek do ka sar bhi katke le jate. That would have been called 'slaughtered.'

Every country's specops have seen dark days - its war after all, someday you ambush, someday you get ambushed.

But what is not acceptable is your unwillingness to modernise by giving flimsy reasons. Karte raho Pika leke firefight, kisi din barrel fatt jayga fir samajna.

Also its 2024, saying I either have a N-Seas monocular fitted onto my rifle or mounting a monotube/worse adjoining 2 monotubes is pathetic. 2004 meh use karti thi US woh sab. 25 binods honge aur wahi kuch 10 quads. HQ meh pare rehenge, Vajra Prahar ke time nikalnaa photoops ke liye.

Maybe they once trained with and beat SAS, but now they are just a Tier-2 force. For no fault pf their own though but govt, their seniors' lacklustre attitude and more.

2023 was dark because trts adopted new tactics and thease were not normal trts thease were ssg element in all those there is clear ssg foot print and those retired ssg guy were killed and so will be others
And pkm is very reliable piece i don't see its barrel bursting any time soon with bare minimal care only problem pkm is its not compact
And about mono nvg even usa still uses mono nvgs and so does other forces around the world even Ukrainean sbu sf was also seen with mono if I am not wrong and mono does provide good night fighting capability but we would prefer dual tube or even quads but lets see what future awaits specially considering with all modern gear mordenisation cost will be more than 400 core for sf only

 

[IWIarad11]

2023 was dark because trts adopted new tactics and thease were not normal trts thease were ssg element in all those there is clear ssg foot print and those retired ssg guy were killed and so will be others
And pkm is very reliable piece i don't see its barrel bursting any time soon with bare minimal care only problem pkm is its not compact
And about mono nvg even usa still uses mono nvgs and so does other forces around the world even Ukrainean sbu sf was also seen with mono if I am not wrong and mono does provide good night fighting capability but we would prefer dual tube or even quads but lets see what future awaits specially considering with all modern gear mordenisation cost will be more than 400 core for sf only

Yeah 400 crores is a lot. But you know what's not? 8400 crores, for 6 attack helos - that are beyond schedule for years.

Ones that you wouldn't even use in your ops because you get shy with overpowering firepower.

 

[username unkown]

Yeah 400 crores is a lot. But you know what's not? 8400 crores, for 6 attack helos - that are beyond schedule for years.

Ones that you wouldn't even use in your ops because you get shy with overpowering firepower.

We shouldn't have bought apache heli in first place apache have worse safety record it crashes all the time and is overprized alot ka 52 alligator would have been better choice but import lobby is at work soon with stryker again
And approx 400 cr considering 9-15 lakh per operator to mordenisation of our sf in 6000 number offcourse actual number of sf operative may be Higher

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

How much are jet suits and robo mules costing us?

 

[username unkown]

How much are jet suits and robo mules costing us?

just like those golf carts which they had to have

 

[Anants]

How much are jet suits and robo mules costing us?

Man I am more concerned at our armor deployed in LAC. We saw what happened to good American and Russian tanks in Ukraine due to Chinese/Iranian drones used by both sides. They had to literally turn their Tanks into Dulha - covered with Grills and Chain armor.

Is our Army even studying that conflict. I have yet to see any learning being applied - because you are literally facing world drone factory in standoff. I am yet to see motors, batteries, homing cameras being sourced from within. And our T-72 and T-90s look exactly the way we say them on tribune in late 90's.

I see so many ex Para SF soldiers sulking about no jobs. How about these guys collaborate with another sulking industrial partner like SSS to design and get what they want and need ?

I wish DFB could become meeting point between ex Defence guys and Defence Industrial startups - and together ther produce unique and effective for forces en masse

 

[Tier 1 Patriot]

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