Indian Special Forces

jaijaganath said:
We can't explain people who tend to think TI or nvg will provide night fighting capabilities
We are tensed wrt trts bcoz the TI which we are seeing is stepping stone for them to get nvg and all other necessary equipments for night fighting
U can't just give them nvg and expect them to go and fight be it is or trts but it's commendable that trts are adopting same measures as us and we being a professional military are just able to cope up with trts
That is getting TI
And TI don't provide night fighting capabilities
We have seen how trts adapt faster and not too soon they will get necessary equipments such as LAM strobes dual tubes etc and with proper sop coz they have better learning curve

Monotubes don't provide night fighting capabilities
They don't have dual tubes nor quads
Even these nvd doesn't mean u have credible night fighting capabilities
U need different tactics and training for it
Basically it's a complete different domain and our sof haven't even experienced bit of it except to an extent marcos
That's why u see incomplete equipments if they have LAM then no nvd nor strobes
If they have baseless monotubes then no IR strobes
It's bcoz bare minimum training wrt night fighting and absence of awareness too
And yes in future if their attitude doesn't change and remain same like past decade then I am sorry but they will get slaughtered
And no amount decency in language will change the fact
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Finally someone gets it.
 
IWIarad11 said:
I think everyone here loves our SF. We are the same folks who keep ranting about sadakchaap PCs and rejoice when 1/9 Para gets kills/takes revenge.

2023 was indeed a dark year for 9 - I still can't digest the fact that an entire squad was wiped off by few trts. 9 of all units. Imagine your tip of the tip of the spear lying on the ground with bursts in their face and skulls and a bunch of borderpaar porkijabis dancing around videotaping them and stealing their rifles. Capt Shubham Gupta wala toh manliya evac karne ke chakkar meh chalo, but this?

I remember not being able to sleep for a whole night after seeing their pics.

But I still feel there is some amount of fear these pigs have for para. Had it not been there, tavor ke saath ek do ka sar bhi katke le jate. That would have been called 'slaughtered.'

Every country's specops have seen dark days - its war after all, someday you ambush, someday you get ambushed.

But what is not acceptable is your unwillingness to modernise by giving flimsy reasons. Karte raho Pika leke firefight, kisi din barrel fatt jayga fir samajna.

Also its 2024, saying I either have a N-Seas monocular fitted onto my rifle or mounting a monotube/worse adjoining 2 monotubes is pathetic. 2004 meh use karti thi US woh sab. 25 binods honge aur wahi kuch 10 quads. HQ meh pare rehenge, Vajra Prahar ke time nikalnaa photoops ke liye.

Maybe they once trained with and beat SAS, but now they are just a Tier-2 force. For no fault pf their own though but govt, their seniors' lacklustre attitude and more.
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Exactly my point!

Vocabulary can be construed in a lot of different ways and it's the wrong goddamn thing to focus on! The fact of the matter is, that the Indian Army is losing its best soldiers because the leadership is ignorant of the needs of the troops on the ground and refuses to learn from repeated mistakes. You can't claim to have a world class force when the force is at least 25 years behind in terms of equipment and 10 years in terms of operational tactics.
 
Is it true that NSG holds the world record for the fastest commando op in the history of specops? (Limca book of records, 5 mins, 1993 anti hijacking op)
 
IWIarad11 said:
Is it true that NSG holds the world record for the fastest commando op in the history of specops? (Limca book of records, 5 mins, 1993 anti hijacking op)
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I didn’t know about this but ig it’s true?
www.indiatoday.in

How NSG commandos ended plane-hijack crisis in Amritsar in 5 minutes

In 1993, an Indian Airlines Delhi-Srinagar with 141 people on board was hijacked by a Hizb-ul-Mujahideen terrorist, who hid two pistols in the plaster moulds on his legs. As the plane stopped at Amritsar, NSG commandos stormed IC 427 and ended the hostage crisis in just five minutes. This was in...
www.indiatoday.in www.indiatoday.in
 
SFF | AR-SF
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armyofhind said:
No it's not.. we're not the first to use an Mp5.
And fingers kyun udd jayengi?
The charging handle on Mp5 is non reciprocating.

Besides the AK (and there too it a big debate), no other platform affords good accuracy with a magwell grip.
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Aree fingers wala my bad
But mag grip is better for tight CQB it’s not long range precision method but better for CQB and maneuverability in mp5
 
Jedi Operator said:
Well I thought after him becoming an advocate he's gonna be more articulate and atleast humble but see...he's not entirely wrong about what happened to him. However I refuse to believe that the forces did not support him at all, in his own book he mentions how some people actually motivated him like once someone talked him over to try and jump in the dam waters and swim again, someone told him that he needs to learn to get himself back on etc...yet his victim mentality never goes. Reading his own words, he just shows some appreciation to those people but never listened to anybody. xyz unit is shitty because abc soldier didn't get martyred" third world military mindset. In my opinion...he being from a village simpleton background never got used to the sense of humour most other MARCOs have. Read his book and you'll see that when people joked around him he took it personally, he needs serious therapy man. I had a convo with him on insta long time ago and he said he was invited to NSG center Maneswar to give a talk and motivate young guys there. He proudly said that he showed them the middle finger. Ab esse attitude ke sath tum kisi aur ko blame kesse kar sakte ho. I have stopped feeling sorry for him.
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Why would teotia give away his victimhood ? he is cashing on it big time, why give away a cash cow.

When the likes of Maj Sahani, after 3 yrs at NDA & 1 at IMA, could muster 0 intellect (man simply isn't fit to talk about anything larger than platoon ops), what to do you expect out of teotia ?
Sahani talked ill about Gen Rawat too, and how 1 General is not important.. well, lets ask sahani under whose command would he prefer to go to war - Gens Thimaya, Cariappa, Manekshaw, or Gen thapar. & kaul.

too much adulation on social media has infused a god like complex in the likes of sahani and teotia.
absolute chhapris we are inducting in SF, just look at instagram.. 18-19 yr old chhapris flaunting their maroon berets, and balidan badges..no opsec, one wonders how these people cleared probation, & what exactly is being taught in probation.
 
hunfrnc said:
Why would teotia give away his victimhood ? he is cashing on it big time, why give away a cash cow.

When the likes of Maj Sahani, after 3 yrs at NDA & 1 at IMA, could muster 0 intellect (man simply isn't fit to talk about anything larger than platoon ops), what to do you expect out of teotia ?
Sahani talked ill about Gen Rawat too, and how 1 General is not important.. well, lets ask sahani under whose command would he prefer to go to war - Gens Thimaya, Cariappa, Manekshaw, or Gen thapar. & kaul.

too much adulation on social media has infused a god like complex in the likes of sahani and teotia.
absolute chhapris we are inducting in SF, just look at instagram.. 18-19 yr old chhapris flaunting their maroon berets, and balidan badges..no opsec, one wonders how these people cleared probation, & what exactly is being taught in probation.
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Maj Sahani didn't speak ill of Gen Rawat. I didn't agree with a no. of things he said but not this. He said and I quote, "Agar Gen Rawat ne sahi meh modernization ya theatre command ka roadmap banaya hai, toh woh unke panel ke pas hai, aur woh uspe kaam karenge" (Nothing stops for 1 man thats how army or any large org works).

And true to that, Theterisation is v much happening.
 
hunfrnc said:
absolute chhapris we are inducting in SF, just look at instagram.. 18-19 yr old chhapris flaunting their maroon berets, and balidan badges..no opsec, one wonders how these people cleared probation, & what exactly is being taught in probation.
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I agree with this part.

More than insta you guys should see Facebook and top unit guys posting there.

I guess from the officer to jawan level we have recruited people with no aptitude for SF.

Most of the SF guys are fuckbois and i dont have any problems with them chasing pussy i just feel that until they are in a special unit they should control their hormones or leave the unit.

Anyone can make a fake id and make these low iq recruits loose in half an hour.

Shooting videos at barracks,recording movements and even posing in front of quater guards what have they not done.
 
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