Indian Special Forces

COLDHEARTED AVIATOR said:
Our Infantry is not at that level that you can pullout all SF units and expect to dominate Kashmir.

Some units have to be there and they should be rotated.

Funny thing is…the best equipped units aka 9 and 4 are the ones who are fighting the most..so this arguement is not practical.

There are some units who see very less combat and dont even have dogs and ballistic shields (the new raised ones).

I feel combat helps you a lot but i dont like the way 9,4 and 21 and maybe some other are over used.

And i also feel SF should not be used in petty ops like now..they should be used on LOC.
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I agree combat experience is very important thing I believe sf shouldn't be used without proper intelligence and in every encounter use few sf in small teams but use ghatak troops and common infantry as main force
 
username unkown said:
I agree combat experience is very important thing I believe sf shouldn't be used without proper intelligence and in every encounter use few sf in small teams but use ghatak troops and common infantry as main force
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SF shouldnt be used in such petty ops.

Look 3 are injured today…theres a high price value on their training.
 
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Alby said:
Bro everyone had said this atleast a million times about this,but that has to be more of a govt policy rather than military’s.If only govt is willing to send the boys across the border as military advisers or to sabotage some tactical or strategic targets the establishment will always send the boys for CT ops only.How else you think these boys will get combay experience if they are reserved for only the true SF ops west does which won’t happen in Indian context in near future .
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Jedi Operator said:
I think that was Tim Kennedy on Jocko Podcast, anyways, if we are to discuss employbility of SOF personnel. Let me bring to your attention how McCrystal changed JSOC
From Ch-18 of Relentless Strike

"That direction was away from the large set-piece operations that for so long had dominated JSOC’s thinking. Instead, McChrystal wanted to expand the capability to operate on the left side of a spectrum that had large-scale joint readiness exercise-style operations at the right end, and small, completely clandestine missions on the other.

“He wanted to go blacker, faster, smaller,” said a source familiar with the meeting. McChrystal expressed preferences for smaller tailored packages for such missions and for a Joint Readiness Training paradigm, in which JSOC elements trained together on specific tasks, but without the massive joint readiness exercise umbrella."

"To help accelerate the process, he made the entire JOC facility a sensitive compartmented information facility, or SCIF (pronounced “skiff”), so folks from different agencies and task forces could share top secret data quickly and openly—a complete reversal from the mind-set that traditionally dominated special ops and intelligence organizations."

"Perhaps no individual other than McChrystal himself was more responsible for turning JSOC into an information age war-fighting machine over the next couple of years than Colonel Mike Flynn............“The NSA did not want to have the aircraft in Iraq,” said the officer. “They wanted to do other things [with them].”17 Opposition to the reorientation of Orange also came from high inside the special operations world. “That organization wasn’t designed to do tactical intelligence for JSOC—they pirated it,” said a retired special operations officer. “This was supposed to be a strategic asset that was doing serious stuff.”

So JSOC started having minor capabilities of NSA, CIA and other agencies so as to not be depended on them for tactical intellegence.

Now @Yodha you tell me how far are we from having all this ? No details need to be shared just a general perspective, that would help
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No. That was Shawn Ryans podcast. I believe the guest was from USAF 24STS. That's not important in anyway.

We are far far away from any of what you have mentioned.
 
Yodha said:
No. That was Shawn Ryans podcast. I believe the guest was from USAF 24STS. That's not important in anyway.

We are far far away from any of what you have mentioned.
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in war things happen fast, changes happen quicker and bureaucratic grip is lose, it took US half a decade to get this started then, with the kind of budget they had. India ko toh 20 sal lag jayenge agar aj bhi start kiya toh.

Why the hell are we not taking this seriously. We eat our own...whatever happened with Col Bakshi, SS Shekhawat, Pavithran Rajan...we only ever learn when we get our asses kicked. Matlab kya hi bolun. Kessa desh h ye
 
Tier 1 Patriot said:
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Garud and Para in same frame, they were rushed cause the op was in a populated and critical area. A lot of higher ups still think that SF are supertroopers ki seedha rush kardo.
COLDHEARTED AVIATOR said:
Its boils my blood to see Para SF wearing patka and 3 have got injured.

No office
No officer
And no department

Is above criticism when it comes to a poor jawans life.
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They went on an op where one would be at a heavy disadvantage, modern gear wont be solving this issue.
 
Alby said:
There is a lot of SF guys in the second pic which we had seen in years.
Is that a laser illuminator in the hand guard of Ak of the first guy in the fourth pic? Is that a flash light attached to the barrel?
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No these are camou cloth covers
 
Airborne22 said:
Garud and Para in same frame, they were rushed cause the op was in a populated and critical area. A lot of higher ups still think that SF are supertroopers ki seedha rush kardo.

They went on an op where one would be at a heavy disadvantage, modern gear wont be solving this issue.
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They rush coz they are night blind and in most if not all incidents terrorists have escaped in night.

We need to RULE the night and thatswhy Gear matters.
 
COLDHEARTED AVIATOR said:
They rush coz they are night blind and in most if not all incidents terrorists have escaped in night.

We need to RULE the night and thatswhy Gear matters.
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you are mixing up the details here, 3 injured (2 fully recovered btw) was in kishtwar, they weren't rushed. The rush was in Srinagar. And jitna marzi gear le ao, the tasking is given by the higher ups and is highly political in nature, unse na ho payega !
 
Airborne22 said:
you are mixing up the details here, 3 injured (2 fully recovered btw) was in kishtwar, they weren't rushed. The rush was in Srinagar. And jitna marzi gear le ao, the tasking is given by the higher ups and is highly political in nature, unse na ho payega !
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Bhai unko promotion lena hota he yeh dikha k…sir yes sir op over sir in 6 hours sir.
 
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