Indian Special Forces

[TAVOUR 21]

Vajra Prahar last year

2022*

 

[Gessler]

Oh yeah my bad they do have slings, so whats your opinion on their holsters?

If they're comfortable with what they have, it's fine. We don't need to nitpick over every tiny little thing.

What's important are the broad strokes, primarily:

1) Modern plate carriers - offering better protection as they don't sag down like old FLCs/webbing does. Plus can take open-top mag pouches so reloads are faster.

2) Modern communications - SDRs can offer truly encrypted comms, plus ability to transmit & receive other kinds of data like imagery, navigation and mission updates, giving BMS or ATAK-like functionality to every operator. PTTs for quick comms without having to reach for the handset every time, and not having to rely on civilian Vivo/Oppo earpods which can break/crush easily.

3) Ear-protection - prolonging hearing is necessary. Countless operators suffer from loss of hearing acuity in later years. Can be prevented by investing in quality earpro - it also offers ability to comprehend voices from team even under heavy noise.

Last but certainly not least:

4) Night fighting - With NVGs & lasers, you can give yourself the best chances against a typical CI/CT adversary. In our context, the sheer number of encounters that had to go through an overnight cordon (which gives time for the terrorists & OGWs to try different things, stone-pelters to gather etc. and increases risk for SFs that have to go in after daylight as now the terrorists can also see).

If we cover these basics, we're golden. I can debate all day about the intricacies of OTTO Noizebarrier v/s OpsCore RAC, but over the years I've realized that's not important because our SF's problems are far more basic than that. It's like worrying about whether Google's fresher package is better than Meta while we're yet to clear our 10th boards.

MARCOS have achieved significant progress in most of these basic areas, that's what gives me hope. More importantly, they have IDENTIFIED these areas as something that needs to be looked at. That's more than what can be said for our other SFs.

As for the topic of pistols, what I'd really like to see is Indian SFs moving away from the old teacupping or thumb-over grips and move toward thumbs-forward all the way. I think the only SFs I've seen holding their pistols in the modern way are the Garuds, but then again I've only seen a single instance of it, so hard to say (even there, the application of the technique is very non-uniform, as the pic below shows).



We just need instructors drilled in modern techniques instead of the same old ones from the 60s and 70s. After a decade-plus of joint exercises with the US, I'm surprised we didn't try to institute a training program where SOCOM instructors are posted at places like SFTS to bring units up to speed on current best-practices and SOPs.

 

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[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

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Ah my first company!

These drills are better than placing a old aircraft in Manesar.

 

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[jaijaganath]

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[hkdas]

https://www.google.com/maps/place/52°05'14.0"N+2°47'38.0"W/@52.0872222,-2.7938889,17z/data=!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d52.0872222!4d-2.7938889?source=lnms

Hereford base, special air service. Grand daddy of all modern SF units

Man, you have no clue about SAS.
SAS's training is conducted in multiple countries. They comes to Nepal for mountain training, go to Malaysia for jungle warfare training, ... No I am not talking about joint excercise. All cadets goes to other countries training schools in which SAS instructors train them there. Go watch the interview of that Nepali Gurkha guy who become SAS soldier. In one interview he mentions about the countries he visited during his training time.

And for ST6. 6 isn't just infantry convert SF soldier, they already are well trained SF, their training span all over US military training schools. And unlike indian Marcos or Garuds, it's mandatory for all ST6 cadets to attend these training institutes. ST6 soldiers are already trained at Joint Expeditionary Base–Little Creek (15000 acres) and Naval Amphibious Base Coronado (1000 acres for seal training) from Navy's side.

 

[hkdas]

It is standard for the SF to go to schools like HAWS,Commando school,Sniper course at Mhow,CIJWS,CBS,PTC,Diving school etc.

How many Marcos or Garuds attend army run schools!!?? Very few. That's the problem. In India army generals don't even like Marcos getting deployed in Kashmir or Assam.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

How many Marcos or Garuds attend army run schools!!?? Very few. That's the problem. In India army generals don't even like Marcos getting deployed in Kashmir or Assam.

Ya you are right.

Training is not mandatory for them but for Para it is pretty important.

However,not everyone is trained in all courses even in Para.

 

[Jedi Operator]

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the only program on the scout sniper levels we might have is that of MARCOS & NSG

 

[VictorDelta4]

the only program on the scout sniper levels we might have is that of MARCOS & NSG

Its funny that people here are mentioning trying to emulate the scout snipers(Program) when the Marines have already phased it out. Setting up such a school/Program would definitely be helpful.

 

[Noob]

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Sent this to we have a "Sniper school now" having a dedicated Sniper school and having a dedicated course is 2 different things Marcos and NSG and the only 2 guys who take sniping capabilities seriously I won't comment about Garuds cause I am not much aware about them.

 

[Noob]

Its funny that people here are mentioning trying to emulate the scout snipers(Program) when the Marines have already phased it out. Setting up such a school/Program would definitely be helpful.

Mariners new program is hardcore

 

[randombully]

Its funny that people here are mentioning trying to emulate the scout snipers(Program) when the Marines have already phased it out. Setting up such a school/Program would definitely be helpful.

From what I know US marines already has "scout/reconnaissance training for marines and also a marksmen training.
So the "scout sniper" role is overlapped.
They can just send those who are trained in scout role to marksmen training.
So the role is not being phased out, the scout sniper school is not needed for the role.

 

[samsaptaka]

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Are we wearing special 5mm thick hitech diamond substrate based cloth shemagh tied over the heads to provide protection comparable to a ballistic helmet

 

[Jedi Operator]

Mariners new program is hardcore

the one I shared with you ? That's only for MARSOC raiders and I think the NSW SEAL Sniper course is like that too.
The Marine Commando One might be very very similar based on my very limited knowledge (but treat that as BROSINT)

Here's the link:

MARSOF Advanced Sniper Course

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Are we wearing special 5mm thick hitech diamond substrate based cloth shemagh tied over the heads to provide protection comparable to a ballistic helmet

Yes and it comes along with next gen face shield of titanium grade which is invisible to normal eyes.

 

[Jedi Operator]

Yes and it comes along with next gen face shield of titanium grade which is invisible to normal eyes.

but Para guys can still identify each other cause they got those carrot MREs

 

[Mupper2]

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Hereford base, special air service. Grand daddy of all modern SF units

The barracks etc are in Hereford but most of the specialised training facilities are in Pontrilas

 

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