Indian Special Forces

[abingdonboy]

bhai GWOT abhi khatam hua hai legit

UKSF comprises of 22 SAS, SBS, 18 UKSF (Signals) and SRR

It all together including support personnel the combined strength of UKSF is roughly 2000 (less than the entire Para SF, let alone SOCOM)

And these 2000 or so people, count about a quarter are busy in United Kingdom only for domestic support, other than that these few guys have been operating in over 19 countries over the past decade, that being said 19 is what we know of, could be more

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UK SF on an Individual level is very good and the modernisation of the tier 1/2/3 of UK SF in the last 10 years has been very impressive but realistically almost all of their capabilities piggyback on US assets and support, there’s plenty of SAS on video saying US tier 1 is on another level and that’s probably a reflection of the support and training infrastructure those dudes have, it’s actually Quite incomprehensible, their attention to detail is weaponised autism to the max

 

[abingdonboy]

Another day another….

View: https://x.com/spadexuu_716i/status/1910323892213719170?s=46

This entire game isn’t about LARPing but capabilities , the sorry state of Indian SF reflects on the ground their tactical and operational deficiencies

I’m absolutely not saying that SF should be used for these internal roles at all but if it’s apparently the SOP to bring them in to every op then they should absolutely be the very definition of ability and should end all these in decisive action. What lessons are these ‘special’ personnel learning and the enemy if all these ops lead to objective failure?

 

[johny_baba]

Another day another….

View: https://x.com/spadexuu_716i/status/1910323892213719170?s=46

This entire game isn’t about LARPing but capabilities , the sorry state of Indian SF reflects on the ground their tactical and operational deficiencies

I’m absolutely not saying that SF should be used for these internal roles at all but if it’s apparently the SOP to bring them in to every op then they should absolutely be the very definition of ability and should end all these in decisive action. What lessons are these ‘special’ personnel learning and the enemy if all these ops lead to objective failure?

i wonder if we can use kamikaze drones on these porkroaches, like just kaboom them whenever wherever you spot them by some rapid descending/diving drone strapped with high explosives

 

[Jedi Operator]

UK SF on an Individual level is very good and the modernisation of the tier 1/2/3 of UK SF in the last 10 years has been very impressive but realistically almost all of their capabilities piggyback on US assets and support, there’s plenty of SAS on video saying US tier 1 is on another level and that’s probably a reflection of the support and training infrastructure those dudes have, it’s actually Quite incomprehensible, their attention to detail is weaponised autism to the max

That’s pretty obvious to me. Just look at the American budget and manpower. They can afford to have specialists for different theatres.

The thing about UKSF is their training is brutally intense, their schedule constantly packed, on top of that they get to use each one of America's toys.

Jay Cal was attached to Delta for 1 year and got both humbled and out-performed in various shooting competitions. The Americans he said were about precision, to which I think this response fits well what he said here:

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/WDhHh2bYyK4?si=NKQMmjL5VB0TbGE3

The thing is, not everyone in American SOF gets to see action, that might be not so common at tier 1 levels, but the larger US SOF yes this is true, this is because the larger size of the unit and only some would realistically see combat.

UKSF community is small, but its influence and operational output are disproportionately significant. While the U.S. Army Green Berets have a formal mandate to train and advise foreign militaries, it is, in fact, the SAS and other UKSF units that have historically been the blueprint for countless elite forces worldwide

Moreover, the operational cycles between UKSF and U.S. SOF reveal a critical difference.

U.S. SOF - often spend extended periods training and advising, followed by comparatively shorter, targeted deployments. They benefit from unparalleled logistical support and resources

UKSF, on the other hand, operate under a far leaner structure but maintain a relentless tempo.

A typical UKSF operator cycles through six months of advanced training and specialist courses, six months of deployment with JSOC-level missions, six months of domestic readiness akin to FBI HRT-style counterterrorism rotations, and six months of strategic theater-level responsibilities, often integrated within SOCOM command frameworks or NATO operations. This continuous loop ensures that UKSF units are perpetually operational across all domains—training, combat, internal security, and global strategy.

This isn't to diminish the capability or dedication of U.S. SOF, but rather to highlight that UKSF operate with fewer resources yet match or exceed output expectations by integrating both British doctrine and access to allied (often American) assets.

 

[abingdonboy]

That’s pretty obvious to me. Just look at the American budget and manpower. They can afford to have specialists for different theatres.

The thing about UKSF is their training is brutally intense, their schedule constantly packed, on top of that they get to use each one of America's toys.

Jay Cal was attached to Delta for 1 year and got both humbled and out-performed in various shooting competitions. The Americans he said were about precision, to which I think this response fits well what he said here:

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/WDhHh2bYyK4?si=NKQMmjL5VB0TbGE3

The thing is, not everyone in American SOF gets to see action, that might be not so common at tier 1 levels, but the larger US SOF yes this is true, this is because the larger size of the unit and only some would realistically see combat.

UKSF community is small, but its influence and operational output are disproportionately significant. While the U.S. Army Green Berets have a formal mandate to train and advise foreign militaries, it is, in fact, the SAS and other UKSF units that have historically been the blueprint for countless elite forces worldwide

Moreover, the operational cycles between UKSF and U.S. SOF reveal a critical difference.

U.S. SOF - often spend extended periods training and advising, followed by comparatively shorter, targeted deployments. They benefit from unparalleled logistical support and resources

UKSF, on the other hand, operate under a far leaner structure but maintain a relentless tempo.

A typical UKSF operator cycles through six months of advanced training and specialist courses, six months of deployment with JSOC-level missions, six months of domestic readiness akin to FBI HRT-style counterterrorism rotations, and six months of strategic theater-level responsibilities, often integrated within SOCOM command frameworks or NATO operations. This continuous loop ensures that UKSF units are perpetually operational across all domains—training, combat, internal security, and global strategy.

This isn't to diminish the capability or dedication of U.S. SOF, but rather to highlight that UKSF operate with fewer resources yet match or exceed output expectations by integrating both British doctrine and access to allied (often American) assets.

the UK’s military ethos is doing more with less hence UKSF will be more stretched(employed if you want to label it) as a whole, is this a good thing? Yes and no.

In terms of raw performance and actual capabilities no one can touch the US because of scale and budget, the SAS does what a mid tier power’s SF needs to do, US SOF are preparing to take down peer countries

India needs to aspire for the latter but really is nowhere in SF capabilities. I still have no problem saying India has no real SF, MARCOs come the closest in a strict definition but they don’t get employed enough in that role to truly qualify, their capabilities on paper are SF but is is credible? We won’t know until the time comes- I’m not that confident as they are still limited by the Indian military peacetime mindset as a whole

 

[username unkown]

i wonder if we can use kamikaze drones on these porkroaches, like just kaboom them whenever wherever you spot them by some rapid descending/diving drone strapped with high explosives

First detecting them with drone in thick jungle not easy if you can't detect them can't do Kaboom
And due to hick forest its not ideal for dron to target moving person

 

[VictorDelta4]

First detecting them with drone in thick jungle not easy if you can't detect them can't do Kaboom
And due to hick forest its not ideal for dron to target moving person

i wonder if we can use kamikaze drones on these porkroaches, like just kaboom them whenever wherever you spot them by some rapid descending/diving drone strapped with high explosives

Well seems like IA is working on getting through the first hurdle

 

[Jedi Operator]

the UK’s military ethos is doing more with less hence UKSF will be more stretched(employed if you want to label it) as a whole, is this a good thing? Yes and no.

In terms of raw performance and actual capabilities no one can touch the US because of scale and budget, the SAS does what a mid tier power’s SF needs to do, US SOF are preparing to take down peer countries

India needs to aspire for the latter but really is nowhere in SF capabilities. I still have no problem saying India has no real SF, MARCOs come the closest in a strict definition but they don’t get employed enough in that role to truly qualify, their capabilities on paper are SF but is is credible? We won’t know until the time comes- I’m not that confident as they are still limited by the Indian military peacetime mindset as a whole

Okay I disagree with the fact that UK doesnt train to take down peer countries. In the cold war times, SAS was designating sectors to each of it's squadrons, A & D were to operate in direct support of mainstream NATO forces, B squadron was responsible for East Germany and G for Norway/Northern Flank.

As members of B squadron for example, operatives made detailed analyses of many targets over the years, including airfields, radar installations, comms and control centres, and major raily marshalling yards. They operated with Brixmis teams (read about Brixmis it's interesting, even the Americans dared to operate only in support of it, not exactly making a unit like that which achived as much success in preparing battlespace) Back then the CIA was highly highly relient on MI6/SIS for intellegence over the Iron curtain. The Britis were trainining hard to sabootage key enemy equipment.

Also it was the British who trained mujahadeen in using Stingers and not the Americans, who only provided them. Green berets were almost absent from Afghan Soviet conflict while SAS/SBS were very much in place.

I do belive Britis being Brits can very much be left on their own, they could loose, in this day and age because times have changed but it would be utter foolishness imo to underestimate them.

 

[Jedi Operator]

the UK’s military ethos is doing more with less hence UKSF will be more stretched(employed if you want to label it) as a whole, is this a good thing? Yes and no.

In terms of raw performance and actual capabilities no one can touch the US because of scale and budget, the SAS does what a mid tier power’s SF needs to do, US SOF are preparing to take down peer countries

India needs to aspire for the latter but really is nowhere in SF capabilities. I still have no problem saying India has no real SF, MARCOs come the closest in a strict definition but they don’t get employed enough in that role to truly qualify, their capabilities on paper are SF but is is credible? We won’t know until the time comes- I’m not that confident as they are still limited by the Indian military peacetime mindset as a whole

the only advantages (and it's a huge advantage) that the Americans have is:

1. Logistics
2. Support
3. Technology

Thus giving us the Millitary Industrial Complex unlike any other

So basically the support system is what it is

which UK cant afford

 

[Yuyutsu]

Well seems like IA is working on getting through the first hurdle
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saw so many videos of this being used to rescue hikers and kids , why have'nt we still ordered it?? still not good enough for our "special" forests? or robotic dogs were more important?

 

[Baseplate]

View: https://x.com/rathorekaran17/status/1910359333197557899

sike ,
bahut der aye par aye to sahi

 

[VictorDelta4]

saw so many videos of this being used to rescue hikers and kids , why have'nt we still ordered it?? still not good enough for our "special" forests? or robotic dogs were more important?

Indian military procurement decisions can never be explained.

 

[rkhanna]

View: https://x.com/rathorekaran17/status/1910359333197557899

sike ,
bahut der aye par aye to sahi

Think the news is not about introducing FoPEN radars to India but putting them on UAVs specially. I am pretty sure we have had FOPENs and DPRs for a while.

 

[GhatiyaOperator]

View: https://youtu.be/TlAgk1veqIA?feature=shared

 

[DumbPilot]

IMO This was not really "Infantry" the Unit Defended the bridge showing outstanding Small unit tactics against an Mech Opfor - was classic Commando action.

At the risk of opposing the general sentiment I don't think this is supposed to be commando action by itself. This was A Coy of 9 Para who were tasked to hold/deny crossing at their assigned brigde.

I think an important distinction is the fact that A/9 was not acting alone with: a) supply lines cut, b) acting outside of FLOT, c) having no upper-level C3 structure

9 Para was consistently supplied with friendly support in conjunction to their deny/secure crossing task. I would say that this battle was more akin to the ANZAC defense at Platomon, in Greece, against the rushing German Pz divisions trying to take the meat out of the retreating British/Greek troops.

The attached map:



191 Bde withdrew after a few days of fighting, as their position was unsustainable. This Bde was perhaps one of the most heavily armed formations under the forward(although degraded for the first ~24 hours) 10 Div HQ at Pallanwala - and A/9 Para made full use of the Bde arty/line support/line units during the withdrawal.

This is supported by the fact that A/9 got reinforced by the 68th Infantry Div with a lot of line/line support units too, before they finally denied the crossing by blowing off the bridge and making their way back to Pallanwala.

I would not consider this actual commando action because they did not break FLOT at any time, nor were they operating without any sort of C2/C3 structure on their own.

this post is pedantic in nature, so apologies in advance

 

[DumbPilot]

ps: posted with Open Street Maps, which shows why holding the bridge was indeed so important.

Left: Brigde held by A/9
Right: Akhnoor.

After crossing the bridge, it would have been a (very challenging) jaunt for incoming Pakistani armor to Akhnoor.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Well seems like IA is working on getting through the first hurdle
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No vision. Only knee-jerk reactions and half measures. It's baffling how the employment of mass UAV, FPV, thermal spam for all time target acquisition is a foreign concept. Point every optical, radar, sensor under the sun towards that general area and smoke them out.

 

[Alby]

yes that's possible, you volunteer for SG from all across the army

SG is open to all arms.Probation is for three months.One of my friends from non Para background tried it in the last trias but couldn’t make it.He was a former NSG .He compared it with that of NSG selection,said its more of mental in nature than physical challenge

 

[Alby]

no you can volunteer, it's not easy to count your self as eligible, several background checks are done but you still can. There was an interview of an SG operative done by Millitary Mantra before. It's been removed for quit a while now sadly, that guy was in artillery I think, he also went into SG probation a bit

He was not from arty but from signals,engineers or supplies.He was definitely from support unit.

 

[IWIarad11]

SG is open to all arms.Probation is for three months.One of my friends from non Para background tried it in the last trias but couldn’t make it.He was a former NSG .He compared it with that of NSG selection,said its more of mental in nature than physical challenge

How long is SG tenure?