Indian Special Forces

[Suryavanshi]

Thread 'The British Martial Race Theory'

Sep 30, 2024

drives UBER in US/UK and sings of marshall race on twitter.
BTW this punjabi heritage craze of porkies and sikhs will eventually become a headache for us.

Its not only Sikhs who glorifies themselves of their martial race.Jats Rajputs all call themselves martial race .But kill ratios of them in battles from historical era doesn’t backs it up. I know many of you guys will be furious but its the fact.There is nothing like martial race,Gorkhas Sikhs Jats Rajputs all had their fare share of defeats.
Despite getting freedom in 1947 we are still believing in martial race theory...

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[Jedi Operator]

I forecast that in the coming decades such standards will be further lowered to induct women officers followed by transgender and the entire Army would become a SFF kind of platform where sex among everyone gets common.

Garud ke standards bhi esse hi hain bro...havent you seen pics of Garud probies passing out...they are in such huge numbers. In the same article PC Katoch also mentions that the army SF can look at out own MARCOS who have 60% attrition rate (by themselves, the diving phase has alot too as we know). So that means the Navy did not dilute the standards. It's crazy to see how it goes on like this in our country. SFF too was diluted, they made the SFF into a refugee's intake into army rather than a special operations capable force which it was, infact it was a really potent force trained by the same guys who worked in MACV-SOG at the time, Vietnam was still going on.
The reason we are so pathetic in keeping standards high is, that everyone cares about being a tight knit family, all for one, one for all doesnt work everywhere. You can't keep everyone happy. That is the classic Indian problem. Brig (later Major General) Padha fought a lone battle to ward off the attacks and the DGMO had fully supported him to seperate SF regiment from Parachute Regiment but the Chief could not withstand the pressure and gave in to the demands of the Parachute Regiment veterans. Later on, while explaining this retrograde decision he would call Brig Keshav Padha to his office and mention that the “Gaon Boodas (Village elders) from your Regiment had virtually blown up the roof top of my office till such time I agreed to scrap this new Special Forces Regiment.”

 

[Screambowl]

SFF too was diluted, they made the SFF into a refugee's intake into army rather than a special operations capable force

Para SF should be kept away from SFF. Both are two different forces for two different tasks. Har jagah Para SF walo ko daloge ya Airborne walo ko daal dogey bina sochey samjhey just because chap has done some courses this doesn't mean he will fit in SFF. He will be a black sheep in the herd.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Garud ke standards bhi esse hi hain bro...havent you seen pics of Garud probies passing out...they are in such huge numbers. In the same article PC Katoch also mentions that the army SF can look at out own MARCOS who have 60% attrition rate (by themselves, the diving phase has alot too as we know). So that means the Navy did not dilute the standards. It's crazy to see how it goes on like this in our country. SFF too was diluted, they made the SFF into a refugee's intake into army rather than a special operations capable force which it was, infact it was a really potent force trained by the same guys who worked in MACV-SOG at the time, Vietnam was still going on.
The reason we are so pathetic in keeping standards high is, that everyone cares about being a tight knit family, all for one, one for all doesnt work everywhere. You can't keep everyone happy. That is the classic Indian problem. Brig (later Major General) Padha fought a lone battle to ward off the attacks and the DGMO had fully supported him to seperate SF regiment from Parachute Regiment but the Chief could not withstand the pressure and gave in to the demands of the Parachute Regiment veterans. Later on, while explaining this retrograde decision he would call Brig Keshav Padha to his office and mention that the “Gaon Boodas (Village elders) from your Regiment had virtually blown up the roof top of my office till such time I agreed to scrap this new Special Forces Regiment.”

Around 2012 my friend who was a Ghatak in a Infantry unit told me that he trained with Garuds in CBS and said he didnt consider them SF.He went on to say that Ghataks were better than them in Physicals and Shooting..And went on to say what will these oxford shoes do against Kashmiri militancy.

Then few years ago i met a officer from Para SF who also trained with them and said the same thing that they dont match up against Para SF but talk sooo big about themselves that he got pissed and asked what great operations have you conducted?

Many might not know about their infamous incident in Mao land.

Anyway,Army has no idea what SF is and they consider it as just another regiment.

Thatswhy they treat it as such.

Even the SF officers havent stood up fot it.

 

[Jedi Operator]

CBS is ?

Around 2012 my friend who was a Ghatak in a Infantry unit told me that he trained with Garuds in CBS and said he didnt consider them SF.He went on to say that Ghataks were better than them in Physicals and Shooting..And went on to say what will these oxford shoes do against Kashmiri militancy.

Then few years ago i met a officer from Para SF who also trained with them and said the same thing that they dont match up against Para SF but talk sooo big about themselves that he got pissed and asked what great operations have you conducted?

Many might not know about their infamous incident in Mao land.

Anyway,Army has no idea what SF is and they consider it as just another regiment.

Thatswhy they treat it as such.

Even the SF officers havent stood up fot it.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

CBS is ?

Yea corps battle school before kashmir deployment

 

[Jedi Operator]

Yea corps battle school before kashmir deployment

Indian Army battle school in Srinagar trains troops for counter-insurgency ops

The training has been made mandatory for all the troops who get posted to Kashmir valley. They undergo a rigorous training course at the battle school, where they learn skills that are imperative for the local terrain.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Here it's written it's for everyone who goes to Kashmir, but I dont think MARCOS or Paras do it. Right ?

Lol...wait the MOUT environment in CBS is called Khrew...it's on that show PATRIOT With Major Gaurav Arya where it's told that it was the brainchild of Lt Col John DeBritto, 9 Para......what a guy man. Far ahead of his time. He should've been a part of more changes in the army. Btw....I could still understand if SF guys did some cultural training, ROE refinement and MOUT training at CBS.....but I wish they dont spend the same amount of time as regular guys do....which as SF they should already do better....so if they go to CBS for 3 days instead of months, just like SEALs went to Camp Pendleton for about half a week to train with marines before being deployed to Iraq...then that's okay. But if the Garuds are spending weeks or months training there...it's just useless for them to be called SF. The only actual learning should be - understanding the ground, enviornment, culture and getting some exposure to other units or RR battalions working in the area

 

[IWIarad11]

Around 2012 my friend who was a Ghatak in a Infantry unit told me that he trained with Garuds in CBS and said he didnt consider them SF.He went on to say that Ghataks were better than them in Physicals and Shooting..And went on to say what will these oxford shoes do against Kashmiri militancy.

Then few years ago i met a officer from Para SF who also trained with them and said the same thing that they dont match up against Para SF but talk sooo big about themselves that he got pissed and asked what great operations have you conducted?

Many might not know about their infamous incident in Mao land.

Anyway,Army has no idea what SF is and they consider it as just another regiment.

Thatswhy they treat it as such.

Even the SF officers havent stood up fot it.

What Mao land incident?

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Indian Army battle school in Srinagar trains troops for counter-insurgency ops

The training has been made mandatory for all the troops who get posted to Kashmir valley. They undergo a rigorous training course at the battle school, where they learn skills that are imperative for the local terrain.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Here it's written it's for everyone who goes to Kashmir, but I dont think MARCOS or Paras do it. Right ?

Lol...wait the MOUT environment in CBS is called Khrew...it's on that show PATRIOT With Major Gaurav Arya where it's told that it was the brainchild of Lt Col John DeBritto, 9 Para......what a guy man. Far ahead of his time. He should've been a part of more changes in the army. Btw....I could still understand if SF guys did some cultural training, ROE refinement and MOUT training at CBS.....but I wish they dont spend the same amount of time as regular guys do....which as SF they should already do better....so if they go to CBS for 3 days instead of months, just like SEALs went to Camp Pendleton for about half a week to train with marines before being deployed to Iraq...then that's okay. But if the Garuds are spending weeks or months training there...it's just useless for them to be called SF. The only actual learning should be - understanding the ground, enviornment, culture and getting some exposure to other units or RR battalions working in the area

Trust me the more time you spend in CBS the more are your chances of survival in Kashmir.

I dont know about Para but Garuds surely spent a lot of time there a decade or so ago.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

What Mao land incident?

Naxal ops…Garuds deployed on heli left injured CAPF personnel to die and went/ran/left away.

 

[Jedi Operator]

Naxal ops…Garuds deployed on heli left injured CAPF personnel to die and went/ran/left away.

lmao what ?
Ya try comparing that with Op Annaconda....both Garuds who were in the Mao Land and Britt Slabinski's recon team in Takur Ghar were a bunch of pussies. But for Team 6, it was a problem of culture, they have also delivered alot. What has the Garud done ?

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

The pilot, crew and the two Garud Commandos on board the chopper escaped, apparently to call for assistance, leaving behind the injured man, a light machine gun and personal weapons.

The COBRA commandos of the Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) who later rushed in to secure the abandoned helicopter and rescue the injured radio operator recovered the weapons.

Indian Air Force absolves its officers accused of abandoning an injured personnel in Maoist area

The Indian Air Force (IAF) has given a clean chit to its pilot and crew accused of abandoning an injured radio operator after their Mi-17 chopper was attacked by Maoists while on a rescue mission in Chhattisgarh in January.

www.ndtv.com