Indian Special Forces

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Afaik they would have gotten themselves into an investigation but nothing more than that.

Also this was not the only case after 2016 we have seen many such failures a recent operation (I will not name it) the commanding offcr on ground of non sf unit forced the operatives to rush into the operation leading to multiple casualties for that sf unit including some of the finest ones,again no responsibility.

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You are absolutely right..I know which op you are talking about.

 

[Airborne22]

Para works differently from normal units they are the men who are eager to do shit like this and want to learn more afaik so the chances of this happening is low on top of that recently after col shivender is getting so much limelight with his knowledge and gear you will see that there is a shift in the kind of images you will see by the paras it will be more “fancy” looking and not that chapri one (just my assumption from seeing recent images of para )

Also I have heard from many officers that inside the units there are men who read books of foreign SOF operators try to learn their way and be the best (Col shivender also mentioned this) so I think there are operators who learn you just don’t see them doing it as the number is very low.

major arjun of 4 para SF also mentioned the same thing in his interview with military mantra, young officers are mostly like that. A lot of personal level tactics can be built by reading books and watching youtube, but changing the whole picture takes more i.e a total change in ecosystem. Brig. Shekhawat is one such officer who has actually done an exceptional job whose fruits para, marcos and garuds will bear.

 

[IWIarad11]

major arjun of 4 para SF also mentioned the same thing in his interview with military mantra, young officers are mostly like that. A lot of personal level tactics can be built by reading books and watching youtube, but changing the whole picture takes more i.e a total change in ecosystem. Brig. Shekhawat is one such officer who has actually done an exceptional job whose fruits para, marcos and garuds will bear.

+ col britto too ig.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

major arjun of 4 para SF also mentioned the same thing in his interview with military mantra, young officers are mostly like that. A lot of personal level tactics can be built by reading books and watching youtube, but changing the whole picture takes more i.e a total change in ecosystem. Brig. Shekhawat is one such officer who has actually done an exceptional job whose fruits para, marcos and garuds will bear.

Books and all are a part of grooming of every officer but the thing is everyone doesnt have the aptitude of reading and grasping and implementing.

Most officers are not nerdy and there are exceptions like Col Shivendra,Major Sapru and Brig Shekhawat.

So, such officers who read and learn IF given promotions can do wonders but everything has to pan out well.

Most people who become Generals are tortoise and not rabbit..and start really as a average joe.

 

[Airborne22]

Afaik they would have gotten themselves into an investigation but nothing more than that.

Also this was not the only case after 2016 we have seen many such failures a recent operation (I will not name it) the commanding offcr on ground of non sf unit forced the operatives to rush into the operation leading to multiple casualties for that sf unit including some of the finest ones,again no responsibility.

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cant imagine the bravery the teams showed here. Clearing a building ground-up with less than required men and material. Total apathy from the higher ups. Sent in a squad operating in the area without nothing, got capt kumar killed, then hastily called in a team operating somewhere else and asked them to clear the building in similiar way. Ln/Nk OP and Capt Mahajan's squad was clearing the insides of the building without the required number of demolition material and grenades for room entries, countless complex rooms aur pata nahie kya kya. This whole situation could have been avoided just by the usage of NSG and heptrs. They cared more about the political image than their highly competent men.

 

[Airborne22]

Most people who become Generals are tortoise

Many competent senior officers are sidelined amd are given posts like DG NCC etc.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

cant imagine the bravery the teams showed here. Clearing a building ground-up with less than required men and material. Total apathy from the higher ups. Sent in a squad operating in the area without nothing, got capt kumar killed, then hastily called in a team operating somewhere else and asked them to clear the building in similiar way. Ln/Nk OP and Capt Mahajan's squad was clearing the insides of the building without the required number of demolition material and grenades for room entries, countless complex rooms aur pata nahie kya kya. This whole situation could have been avoided just by the usage of NSG and heptrs. They cared more about the political image than their highly competent men.

Bhai political image nhi..NSG ko use nhi kia for two reasons in my opinion.

First is that Para SF had recently conducted surgical strikes and the Army was on a high.General had no idea on where to use which unit.

Second reason…yeh sale IPS force hum Army ko kya sikhayegi.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Many competent senior officers are sidelined amd are given posts like DG NCC etc.

You scared me coz such thing happened to one of my relative and i was like …yeh Jammu ka bhai mereko janta toh nhi.

 

[Unknowncommando]

 

[lexCommando]

bro i hope i am wrong but he looks malnourished... tho im also pretty low on my bmi but i believe thats not expected of a SF guy

 

[rkhanna]

bro i hope i am wrong but he looks malnourished... tho im also pretty low on my bmi but i believe thats not expected of a SF guy

While you maynot be wrong entirely few things to consider

1. Childhood/infant nutrition in India is horrible. Access to better diet later in life does not compensate for foundational deficiencies.

2. 10/3 Para - Are Built for endurance in the Desert. They are built different. Mentally, psycologically, Physically. - kinda like frogmen who swim out of submarines. - weird bunch of humans

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/gWrdCno-_lk?si=5VFsH0hsv83gUM6e


View: https://youtube.com/shorts/He31vF7hi5c?si=yXV0r39S7NxP2cmX


View: https://youtube.com/shorts/rB2GC50Fkh4?si=8-o8o3ACwMrg2Pis

 

[RDXChauhan]

bro i hope i am wrong but he looks malnourished... tho im also pretty low on my bmi but i believe thats not expected of a SF guy

Might be fresh out of selection

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Might be fresh out of selection

It all comes down to what unit..whats the training like bcoz diet is same for all units.

I was living in a cantonment since many weeks and every morning when i went to run i saw really tall and well built guys running..from infantry regtt(2 seperate units) ..all of them had a local akhada wrestler type of body.

In Delhi where i live i have seen NSG guys running many times and they all look very lean.

So maybe its all ragda in the end.

 

[IWIarad11]

It all comes down to what unit..whats the training like bcoz diet is same for all units.

I was living in a cantonment since many weeks and every morning when i went to run i saw really tall and well built guys running..from infantry regtt(2 seperate units) ..all of them had a local akhada wrestler type of body.

In Delhi where i live i have seen NSG guys running many times and they all look very lean.

So maybe its all ragda in the end.

Kya khana milta hai waise?

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Kya khana milta hai waise?

Ek din meat ya paneer

ek din chicken ya paneer

Baki din roti chawal dal sabzi

Eggs bhi milte he i dont know exact number of eggs.

And milk.

Baki soldiers ghar se ghee,achar,halwa le kar aate he..kuch log masale aur chula rakh k extra tadka marte he.

Canteen aur shops hoti he kaafi cheap me available rehta he if they want to buy.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Read the article yourself.

What they did -

1. First they cut off communications links (Basically jammed the comm. using high-powered jammers).
   
   
2. Then reconfigured the drone’s GPS coordinates to make it land at what the drone thought was its actual home base – but instead was in Iran. (Basically GPS jamming + spoofing the GPS signals to seem like the home base was Iran).

Something similar must have happened here as well. Again, I will maintain this is NOT hacking but jamming, and leveraging drone's RTB behaviour for its advantage.

From IdeaForge SWITCH's brouchure -

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So basically if comm. failure happens it will automatically try to return to base. But how it will figure out where is the base ? Using GPS coordinates, which, again can be spoofed just as mentioned above.

Nothing to do with Chinese components.



Drone Tx/Rx comm. don't use TCP/IP protocol just an FYI. Also this -

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What the para and the underlined red means, is that regardless of whatever Tx/Rx backdoors Chinese can create, the original comm. & commands are securely encrypted and cannot be intercepted or spoofed.

Its like, lets say you are sending a postcard to your friend, and your mailman is Chinese. So you write the postcard in your own secret code which only you and your friend know. So no matter how hard the postman tries to read or decipher it, he can't.

Are we clear which drone are we talking about here. The original article was too short and uninformative. It seems this is another case of hyperbole by Indian media where they see a weapon and call it "hi tec", "dangerous", "advance"

 

[Anants]

Read the article yourself.

What they did -

1. First they cut off communications links (Basically jammed the comm. using high-powered jammers).
   
   
2. Then reconfigured the drone’s GPS coordinates to make it land at what the drone thought was its actual home base – but instead was in Iran. (Basically GPS jamming + spoofing the GPS signals to seem like the home base was Iran).

Something similar must have happened here as well. Again, I will maintain this is NOT hacking but jamming, and leveraging drone's RTB behaviour for its advantage.

Spoofing GPS - its kind of Hacking but example I gave was that even sophisticated Drones can be hijacked and as Russians found in Syria your own drone taking our your own bases due to spoofing in Syria. Why do you think Army is going hammer and tongs over chinese components in "military" drones - if it was not security threat. Do we know exact make model and year of manufacture of drone that got affected in LoC and North east in Arunachal ? Was it the newer switch UAV or the older model Netra? I doubt early models had any encryption supported. GPS spoofing can also be prevented by relying on own encrypted NAVIC and GAGAN signals like this probably - and having built in signal distortion detection capability in drone detection to detect spoofing or Jamming attempt.

 

[hunfrnc]

It all comes down to what unit..whats the training like bcoz diet is same for all units.

I was living in a cantonment since many weeks and every morning when i went to run i saw really tall and well built guys running..from infantry regtt(2 seperate units) ..all of them had a local akhada wrestler type of body.

In Delhi where i live i have seen NSG guys running many times and they all look very lean.

So maybe its all ragda in the end.

Apart from diet, it also boils down to genetics.. the Jats, Grenadiers, & Sikhs are generally well built, to an extent even the thambis, RajRif, Rajput troops too seem to be well built.

Army focusses on endurance, though the soldiers ( in basic training) are made to do hundred of push-ups, pull-ups, rope climbs (best upper bodybuilder) daily, they somewhere lack in protein consumed, and lack of rest as well. We are a ragda focussed army.

Once these soldiers join the unit, focus remains on running and sports, and a few sets of upper body exercise won't put on new muscle, without added resistance.

Although, I do agree that a bit of weight training, & lean muscle mass (Like NSG) would do a lot of good for infantrymen, make them more efficient, and less prone to injuries. These bodies can be built during some part of their training, but how will these bodies be maintained during harsh deployments is another ball game, even MARCOS in J&K, on an odd occasion, seem to have put on some fat.

But then we have a broken generalship, who can't be relied on to make meaningful changes, so things will remain at ww2 era.

 

[Anants]

Apart from diet, it also boils down to genetics.. the Jats, Grenadiers, & Sikhs are generally well built, to an extent even the thambis, RajRif, Rajput troops too seem to be well built.

Army focusses on endurance, though the soldiers ( in basic training) are made to do hundred of push-ups, pull-ups, rope climbs (best upper bodybuilder) daily, they somewhere lack in protein consumed, and lack of rest as well. We are a ragda focussed army.

Once these soldiers join the unit, focus remains on running and sports, and a few sets of upper body exercise won't put on new muscle, without added resistance.

Although, I do agree that a bit of weight training, & lean muscle mass (Like NSG) would do a lot of good for infantrymen, make them more efficient, and less prone to injuries. These bodies can be built during some part of their training, but how will these bodies be maintained during harsh deployments is another ball game, even MARCOS in J&K, on an odd occasion, seem to have put on some fat.

But then we have a broken generalship, who can't be relied on to make meaningful changes, so things will remain at ww2 era.

Whats with Agniveer video propping up of insufficient training. I think somebody posted here. Any truth in the same.