Indian Special Forces

[hkdas]

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[Jedi Operator]

Dont worry next war will be won on social media only…it seems from our talent.

no it seems we'll loose it badly very badly

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

no it seems we'll loose it badly very badly

Social media pe kha…Social media pe it will be a major victory.

Things might be different elsewhere against china.

 

[TAVOUR 21]

Marcos should leave all these exercises with Gawar Para SF and focus on other nations.

We are developing new relationships with Greece and we could get good exposure with them.

Please check all the pics.


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/SpecOpsArchive/s/XSenO8vTGr

bhai pls ,dont call them gawar

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

bhai pls ,dont call them gawar

Gawar means ignorant/illiterate..its not a gaali..its just a condition.

A perfect word to define someone who chooses not to educate themselves.

In the north its a pretty normal word in day to day life.

 

[abingdonboy]

1. I am apprehensive about getting more and more entrenched with the Israeli MIC- they have used us as lab rats for decades - We are already entertwined in the AF and Navy for critical tech
2. if FOREX has to go out - lets choose the best. (Example Caracal's entire family of Small Arms)
3. Ideal would we build our own AR & AK Pattern Small Arms family in house and give that money to an indian firm. - own the supply chain
- For Special Operators - the Soldiers can sit witht he Manufacutre and refine as per their user feedback ( trigger weight etc etc)

In an ideal world but small arms seem to be a unique hold out in indigenisation

My extremely cynical view is that’s because they are the highest value low value items that certain people can make a bit off the top from- as personal kit below a certain threshold they can be replaced from the OEM routinely and without going through too much scrutiny like higher value replacements would. Once you’ve got the foot in the door on small arms for a certain Indian unit you are set for life as FN with SPG, HK for NSG and IWI for SFs have shown

It still isn’t clear how any of these OEMs got selected for their respective Indian units and the IWI appearance in Indian service is particularly shady (before even bringing in they had to re-brand to IWI because IMI got blacklisted by Indian MoD)

A force seriously interested in becoming world class would tie up with a local OEM and make everything based on feedback in near real time- do we think HK/IWI/FN gives 2 hoots about Indian feedback? Give SSSD the same chance and they’ll have a team based 24/7 with Indian users to create engineering solutions within weeks where needed

The more you learn about failures in Indian procurement you understand it’s a choice that’s been made by some at the very top

 

[abingdonboy]

Stay here and enjoy the circus.

If you go for years or weeks you will be disappointed when you come back.

I can post a 100 pics in patka or tin helmets for every pic of high cuts anyone can get out from their secret stash!

So bottom line is its gonna take really long to upgrade.

Only in India

A serious country could achieve this within 5 years and many have

The repeated whoopings in JK should’ve been a wake up call if these guys actually thought one day they might have to fight a peer conflict

Alas these guys are in it for the retirements, they want to survive their careers as comfortably as possible then go live in some posh area to play golf, only voicing up when their OROP benefits are at risk

 

[abingdonboy]

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We should have gone for this one instead of Tavors or proposed Carmels.We already have Cz Bren -2s in 7.62x39 with Grey hounds and its a solid one loved by users.

Have some dignity

View: https://x.com/sssdefence/status/1896064643434758573?s=46

 

[abingdonboy]

You should read up on how the Unit was stood up. They lost an insane number of Airframes and some pilots in the early days - just developing their night assault capability

I also believe that when they forward deploy a Unit of A10s and Spectres are earmarked for them.

This kind of capability comes FROM a clear mandate, doctrine and C&C structure

To this day Indian SOCOM is a mere fantasy (thanks to the army largely), SOD is some weird experiment that hasn’t really gone anywhere because there is no overarching mandate or understanding of what SF actually are from decision makers. If SF capability was seen as strategic it would be a different story but everyone from apex executive to the military leadership (particularly them) believes SF are tactical assets at best

Any defence fanboy that has done their research on Delta/CAG can lecture for a few hours on how absurdly nonexistent Indian SF capabilities are but a large part of Delta’s capabilities come from their immense support infrastructure that includes SOAR, ISR, strategic intel feeding etc)

 

[abingdonboy]

I heard after our c130 crashed due to stall in low flying such ops were discontinued for some time?

Are they trainjng for the same now?

Was it a stall? That would be insanely impressive (in a bad way) in a C130

I thought it was CFIT and yeah this did stop the C130 units of the IAF (mind you they exist nominally to be SF support) to stop doing low level airborne insertion training

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Was it a stall? That would be insanely impressive (in a bad way) in a C130

I thought it was CFIT and yeah this did stop the C130 units of the IAF (mind you they exist nominally to be SF support) to stop doing low level airborne insertion training

Ya this guy who was a part of things told me 3-4 years back that the first 130 turned and this one which crashed came under its wake and had a tip stall in a turn from which it couldnt recover at a small altitude.

I think if i remember correctly he blammed the a/c ahead to be at fault…not 100% though as it is years old conversation and i almost forgot about it until the moment i saw that post.

 

[abingdonboy]

Ya this guy who was a part of things told me 3-4 years back that the first 130 turned and this one which crashed came under its wake and had a tip stall in a turn from which it couldnt recover at a small altitude.

I think if i remember correctly he blammed the a/c ahead to be at fault…not 100% though as it is years old conversation and i almost forgot about it until the moment i saw that post.

Even more retarded then I imagined then, I always assumed CFIT which would be pretty absurd but somewhat understandable given what they were training for

Formation flying is taught to these guys from almost day 1 of flight training and that is an obvious threat that should’ve been briefed

No wonder you hear these guys are pretty bad in a CRM environment and that too at TEM

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Even more retarded then I imagined then, I always assumed CFIT which would be pretty absurd but somewhat understandable given what they were training for

Formation flying is taught to these guys from almost day 1 of flight training and that is an obvious threat that should’ve been briefed

No wonder you hear these guys are pretty bad in a CRM environment and that too at TEM

I dont know why Indian Officers specially of Army and Airforce branch consider it a disease to learn or to ask.

Its a pretty simple thing to do.

They could have easily asked the US military for help in setting up sniper school,low flying courses,cqb schools etc but they just wont ask.

They wont be embarrassed asking for tech but will be very embarrassed asking for the training to use the tech 100%.

 

[abingdonboy]

Marcos should leave all these exercises with Gawar Para SF and focus on other nations.

We are developing new relationships with Greece and we could get good exposure with them.

Please check all the pics.


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/SpecOpsArchive/s/XSenO8vTGr

Doesn’t seem realistic to ever get on par with top tier Western units (five eyes+French/Germans) but MARCOs at least could seemingly get on terms with the second rung of the Western units- Greek, Romanians etc

Paras maybe can match Nigerians and Somalis in 2040s

 

[abingdonboy]

I dont know why Indian Officers specially of Army and Airforce branch consider it a disease to learn or to ask.

Its a pretty simple thing to do.

They could have easily asked the US military for help in setting up sniper school,low flying courses,cqb schools etc but they just wont ask.

They wont be embarrassed asking for tech but will be very embarrassed asking for the training to use the tech 100%.

I remember this crash fairly well and also the noise about it online- crashing a near brand new C130J during a training mission was pretty hard for my fanboy brain to defend back then. In retrospect it highlights a LOT of the issues that plague the Indian military

Jingoism, rhetoric and blind chalta hai attitude will always meet reality one day and in a catastrophic fashion

Did the CO who signed off on that mission ever get held accountable? Just more bodies to cremate and widows to support

‘Fight with what we have’ seems like a target and not a cope

You can throw good money at these guys but as these crashes and backwards mounting of scopes proves the deficiencies are in mindset and not funding these days


In other news for the cost of a handful of jet engines India could’ve had this

View: https://x.com/ksingh_1469/status/1896928126778904944?s=46

The weakness of India is by design is all I can fathom these days

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Doesn’t seem realistic to ever get on par with top tier Western units (five eyes+French/Germans) but MARCOs at least could seemingly get on terms with the second rung of the Western units- Greek, Romanians etc

Paras maybe can match Nigerians and Somalis in 2040s

If marcos want to be numero uno it needs to stop hanging out with Para SF and degrade itself in modern warfare.

Even NSG looks shady.

Just focus on asking western units to be cross trained with or even Asian ones like Russians,Malayasians and Koreans.

If you keep hanging out with units that have no interest in upgrading and procuring and only do one thing ie playing the same song on a broken record you wont go anywhere.

Look at the joke Para SF has become from its glory days in 71.

The Paras should have done a self introspection after 1983 which they didn’t and went to Lanka and performed poorly aswell.

They were lucky that the Lankan experience helped them initially in the 90s but now with the involvement of technology from Afghanistan they are suddenly seeming helpless in tracking terrorists and end up getting ambushed like a infantry unit from Vietnam.

 

[abingdonboy]

If marcos want to be numero uno it needs to stop hanging out with Para SF and degrade itself in modern warfare.

Even NSG looks shady.

Just focus on asking western units to be cross trained with or even Asian ones like Russians,Malayasians and Koreans.

If you keep hanging out with units that have no interest in upgrading and procuring and only do one thing ie playing the same song on a broken record you wont go anywhere.

Look at the joke Para SF has become from its glory days in 71.

The Paras should have done a self introspection after 1983 which they didn’t and went to Lanka and performed poorly aswell.

They were lucky that the Lankan experience helped them initially in the 90s but now with the involvement of technology from Afghanistan they are suddenly seeming helpless in tracking terrorists and end up getting ambushed like a infantry unit from Vietnam.

Have you seen the comments on the Jaffna raid video by that tactical history guy on YouTube? The same story told in India and you’d get feeling paroood, but to a global audience with objective views and some tactical understanding+ Western veterans and you get an idea into the actual quality of Indian officers post-1971. These guys could probably do an okay job if deployed in France during WW2 but in anything like modern warfare? It’s going to be a bloodbath

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

I remember this crash fairly well and also the noise about it online- crashing a near brand new C130J during a training mission was pretty hard for my fanboy brain to defend back then. In retrospect it highlights a LOT of the issues that plague the Indian military

Jingoism, rhetoric and blind chalta hai attitude will always meet reality one day and in a catastrophic fashion

Did the CO who signed off on that mission ever get held accountable? Just more bodies to cremate and widows to support

‘Fight with what we have’ seems like a target and not a cope

You can throw good money at these guys but as these crashes and backwards mounting of scopes proves the deficiencies are in mindset and not funding these days


In other news for the cost of a handful of jet engines India could’ve had this

View: https://x.com/ksingh_1469/status/1896928126778904944?s=46

The weakness of India is by design is all I can fathom these days

That day i was 200 some nautical miles from Gwalior and i as a pilot felt really bad for them.

You feel bad for their wife,children and old parents..specially on things that are avoidable.

 

[AbRaj]

Spoiler: Spoiler

scope ulta hai

View: https://x.com/spadex_716i/status/1896770234893435196

Wondering what those two clowns are seeing. BC kya badiya acting kar rahe dono chutiye And these are our Espeshul Phorces BC. They deserve training by Master Shifu the joker and that Con-artist couple.

 

[IWIarad11]

Wondering what those two clowns are seeing. BC kya badiya acting kar rahe dono chutiye And these are our Espeshul Phorces BC. They deserve training by Master Shifu the joker and that Con-artist couple.

Gali kise de raha hai tu yahape? Ab kya bolega hindi meh chutiya bolna common hai? Neither do you add any value in your answers nor do you've basic decency to respect guys in uniform. Bass rant karna hai dinbhar. Jab US Navy ne LPVO ulta lagaya tha woh tab bhi elite the kya? You guys will question a blue on blue for a Mi 17 we lost during an aerial skirmish but never bother pondering why FA 18 was downed in mere training exercises/routine flying.

Under no circumstances will u be tolerated for abusing men in uniform.

You can rant all day pretending you care + adding you pay TAXES but you'll have to mind your fucking tongue unless you've been out there saving lives and kicking doors.

@Suryavanshi bhai please warn him.